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MertSerimer
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posted January 02, 2012 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if this energy thingy's(soul) behaviours depends on last life's pains and experiences instead of desire to unite with ultimate source? Then it may not bring me to ultimate source. So soul may choose wrong paths maybe. For this, as a counter-argument you can say; souls are not human, they are not weak or dont act depending on humanian circumstances, they always unite with ultimate source? How can you prove this? How can i trust my own soul? what should i follow my north node then? As long as you dont prove it, your argument is invalid :. I think we all should create our own north nodes. Real men(like me) choose their own soul paths, it does not come with innate .

Dont say please; "You are talking as if you and your soul are seperate things".. yes it is

what do you think of it?

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posted January 02, 2012 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 02, 2012 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... i'd say, personality, character n habits form the path to our eventual destiny. Choices are offered to everyone at the same place n time but only those who hv innate qualities to recognize, sufficient resources can harvest that stroke of opportunity that comes by. Environment forms an influence. A good chart with potential for success in life will b limited by the opportunities in his environment. A man born at the same exact date time as Steve Job may not be a Steve Job clone.. but his sucess should not be too bad. It all boils down to mindset, personality n character. Will one change his character? Its how one play the cards that he has in his hands - some of us hv better cards than others but doesn't mean any one of us shld resign to fate..

I dun knw much abt node node south node aspects but I do believe in karma n gd deeds. I dun if there is a past life bringing forth trials n retributions... i'm not exactly the most religious person despite being fearful of God.

Harsh aspects to north node means greater efforts required? I'm not gd at astrology.

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posted January 02, 2012 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prove? Scientists cannot prove anything either. Once you realize that all knowing springs from the heart, you stance will no longer be weak and your inner knowing will be touched by truth.

And yes past lives do exist. Think of it this way; everything in life recycles itself; plants clearly do this and I believed you learned this in Biology class. What makes you think the soul doesn't recycle itself as well? Just because you cannot touch the soul, it isn't real? It is more real than anything else out there. There are 4 Elements- Fire, Water, Wind, Earth and there are three more unseen forces which make up 7 Elements working to create life on Earth.

Oh and to answer your original question, you know because before you were born you were not trapped in a material world; i.e suffering, pain. And if you are reincarnating it means you have specific things to work out. We are all headed toward one goal in the end.

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posted January 02, 2012 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Prove? Scientists cannot prove anything either. Once you realize that all knowing springs from the heart, you stance will no longer be weak and your inner knowing will be touched by truth.

And yes past lives do exist. Think of it this way; everything in life recycles itself; plants clearly do this and I believed you learned this in Biology class. What makes you think the soul doesn't recycle itself as well? Just because you cannot touch the soul, it isn't real? It is more real than anything else out there. There are 4 Elements- Fire, Water, Wind, Earth and there are three more unseen forces which make up 7 Elements working to create life on Earth.

Oh and to answer your original question, you know because before you were born you were not trapped in a material world; i.e suffering, pain. And if you are reincarnating it means you have specific things to work out. We are all headed toward one goal in the end.


Sorry but what you are saying is the same bull-**** reason that i opened that topic. Everybody justs says what you say. Nothing more. So it is not answer for me. I passed the stages you are in now since. I am not trying to argue, what i am looking for is an answer to convince and enlighten me. I am not close minded.

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posted January 02, 2012 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything is perfect in creation and it's sequences are as well. I don't know what type of answer you are looking for. Our souls are separate from our bodies. Science can only take you so far, then you have an awakening. Maybe you should try to find the answer yourself instead of depending on others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHm_zdzopZo

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posted January 02, 2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Maybe you should try to find the answer yourself instead of depending on others.


Really Well Said (Y).

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posted January 02, 2012 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just responding to the thread title....our souls are far more wise than we ever will in our earthly chains

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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just responding to the thread title....our souls are far more wise than we ever will in our earthly chains


Oh Thanks. This is what i am asking. This fact is accepted from the beginning but how and why?. What i am asking may seem like asking "prove hell or heaven" but i am not wanting sth like that.

Let me talk to you if it is ok. So you support that idea because you think that when we come to earth, we lost our paths to world's beauties such as addictions, lust, greed etc. So you dont assume; when soul is not in body, it never loses its path?

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posted January 02, 2012 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh Thanks. This is what i am asking. This fact is accepted from the beginning but how and why?. What i am asking may seem like asking "prove hell or heaven" but i am not wanting sth like that.

Let me talk to you if it is ok. So you support that idea because you think that when we come to earth, we lost our paths to world's beauties such as addictions, lust, greed etc. So you dont assume; when soul is not in body, it never loses its path?


we have this kind of eternal amnesia whenever we are reincarnated into our flesh, so we dont remember what our soul had in mind

also, we have karma to fulfill when we are reincarnated, so we live our lives to our souls design (our natal charts)

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have earthly amnesia. Seems like everyone else does though.. most everyone else.

Find the answer yourself because truths cannot be told to people sometimes and thats why arguments happen.

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posted January 02, 2012 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't have earthly amnesia. Seems like everyone else does though.. most everyone else.

some people do awaken and remember...have you ever had earthly amnesia at all?? or have you always remembered everything?

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I did when I was younger. But even then I still felt a need to do certain things that in hindsight I know wasn't influenced by any altered human ego.

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posted January 02, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes I did when I was younger. But even then I still felt a need to do certain things that in hindsight I know wasn't influenced by any altered human ego.

ah, so you awakened...i'm still working on awakening myself

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May I ask how far you've come in your awakening?

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posted January 02, 2012 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not very far at all...i still dont remember a thing...just possibilities and strong wants

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are the wants?

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posted January 02, 2012 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to live in japan and be a teacher....there is something about japan that calls to me...has since i was little...but i didnt realize i wanted to be a teacher until just a couple of years ago

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see, service to human kind. And in Japan; the eye of the nuclear storm.

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posted January 02, 2012 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, i dont see it as a nuclear storm...but as home, real home

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
What if this energy thingy's(soul) behaviours depends on last life's pains and experiences instead of desire to unite with ultimate source? .... what do you think of it?

Hi Mert,

What is "right"?

Both physics and spirituality seem to point to the idea that "all objects arise out of the conditions which cause them". How one views the conditions of the past, the conditions in the present, and their potential trajectory is based completely on one's individual perspective (which is a product of that individual's experiences and physiological capacities).

If reincarnation exists, then time/space is a relative experience and existence is actually timeless. If existence is timeless, then all experiences are possible (because in infinite space and infinite time, all possibilities are possible). If all experiences are possible, then all experiences have the same value (experience + you = learning). Aren't all experiences therefor "right" or "wrong" based on how one views the experience? And if that is true, wouldn't morality therefore also be relative (a disabled mother who steals food for her starving children, but became disabled after killing another family in a drunk driving accident... is a good example of this concept)?

If this were the case, how can anything on the "Source level" be considered valid or invalid, when validity is a "human concept" based on the way we perceive and judge life? Stars gobble up solar systems like ours every day (potentially annihilating the bodies of trillions of living creatures every time you blink your eye). The "Source" I assume (if omnipotent), exists within both the creatures and the star, regardless of their position is space and time (astrological charts).

If "ultimate source" is ultimate, then even "not source" is part of "ultimate source". that being said, even experiences which serve to separate an individual, will eventually result in reunification. If that were the case then I would expect what you choose to learn may be less important than how deeply you experience it.

That's how I would see it, thanks for posing the question.

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posted January 02, 2012 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lol, i dont see it as a nuclear storm...but as home, real home


Honto desu ka! Anata wa Nihongo ga dekimasu ka?

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posted January 02, 2012 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Honto desu ka! Anata wa Nihongo ga dekimasu ka?

hontou, hontou!! dekimasu? or hanashimasu? lol

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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posted January 02, 2012 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hontou, hontou!! dekimasu? or hanashimasu? lol


Which ever works! lol I'm no expert

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posted January 02, 2012 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Which ever works! lol I'm no expert

if you meant to ask if i speak japanese then its hanashimasu...dekimasu means "can" as in "able to" lol

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history

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