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Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2012 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does the Sun touch the other planets/asteroids/angles? When we want to see the strength of ego with which a person came in to the world we look to the Sun. Trines and sextiles from Pluto give the person a sense of personal power. Trines and sextiles to Neptunes make the person creative, mystical and intuitive. Trines and sextiles to Mercury makes learning easy and makes one a good communicator. Trines and sextiles to Uranus make one a creative, out of the box thinker. Trines and sextiles to the moon make the person able to access his emotions.Trines and sextiles to Mars make one able to take decisive action. Trines and sextiles to Saturn make one able to discipline oneself.One can plan for the future and reach goals surely and steadily. We can take the converse situation. If one has squares or oppositions to one’s Sun, one would struggle with the same issues which are easy with the trines and sextiles.

If one has any squares to one’s Sun, one would have the hardest time with confidence and a strong sense of self. Oppositions are easier than squares.Oppositions make one go back and forth between opposite poles. Squares lock the energies. There is a distinct difference in difficulty between the two. As I outlined above, one could apply the same logic to squares and oppositions as was applied to trines and sextiles. I will address conjunctions later as those can go either way in terms of how they effect a person’s sense of self.Some conjunctions are easy. Some conjunctions are difficult. The Sun square Saturn would be a lock between one’s ego and a strong self doubt. One may feel very guilty for “selfishness”. One may feel great insecurity at a deep visceral level. Hence, this would be one of the harder Sun squares. Saturn oppose the Sun would be easier.One could go back and forth between having a strong ego and strong self doubt. The opposition is always a yin/yang between opposite sides. The Sun square Uranus would be someone who struggles with nonconformity but does not seem to resolve it . He feels locked in to wanting to be different but cannot integrate it in to his personality well. He may try to be rebellious in self defeating ways as he struggles to deal with his strong sense of rebellion. The person with the Sun/Uranus trine COULD use his rebellious nature in inventive ways.He may be an actual inventor. When the Sun touches Uranus in an easy aspect, we may have a creative genius.That is the difference between the trine and the square. I am not saying the square CANNOT do this but it is much more difficult. Sun square Neptune could make the person not able to deal with his imagination/escapist desires as they may get the best of him. The Sun oppose Neptune may make someone struggle with being too dreamy and idealistic. The person would go back and forth between trying to live in a dream world or trying to escape reality and forcing themselves back into reality. Any asteroid that touches the Sun will have a central influence in our identity. This can give us confidence or take it away by the nature of the asteroid. I will address this in another article.

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posted March 04, 2012 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
liked that.

I will add something.

Sometimes Mercury or Mars hard aspects to Uranus gives "better" genius results than easy aspects.(mars hard uranus person may die in a accident or suffer long term disability tough.)

Sun trine Uranus also gives self-healing, recuperative power. Native regens himself easily(psychological)

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posted March 04, 2012 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
liked that.

I will add something.

Sometimes Mercury or Mars hard aspects to Uranus gives "better" genius results than easy aspects.(mars hard uranus person may die in a accident or suffer long term disability tough.)

Sun trine Uranus also gives self-healing, recuperative power. Native regens himself easily(psychological)


Mercury square Uranus better genius results yeah maybe BUT with a price

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posted March 04, 2012 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doreen:
Mercury square Uranus better genius results yeah maybe BUT with a price

Everybody/thing has a price.. If otherwise, nothing was worth nothing.

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posted March 04, 2012 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Trines and sextiles to Mercury makes learning easy and makes one a good communicator.


Ami Darling, Mercury cannot make a trine or a sextile to the Sun, for they are never more than 28° apart ! The only aspect they can make is a conjunction.


Other than that, very good article !
You nailed it

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Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2012 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Doux

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Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2012 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Mert, Doux and Doreen
I was afraid to put it up due to controversy but one will get that if one endeavors to face truth.

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posted March 04, 2012 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Everybody/thing has a price.. If otherwise, nothing was worth nothing.

Umm OK if you say so

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Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2012 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Everybody/thing has a price.. If otherwise, nothing was worth nothing.


I agree Mert---1000%. If one has nothing to lose, it is easy to be strong.

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posted March 04, 2012 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
liked that.

I will add something.

Sometimes Mercury or Mars hard aspects to Uranus gives "better" genius results than easy aspects.(mars hard uranus person may die in a accident or suffer long term disability tough.)

Sun trine Uranus also gives self-healing, recuperative power. Native regens himself easily(psychological)


Did not know that about accident or disability Mert

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posted March 04, 2012 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pretty well disagree with all of this.

I have an incredibly strong sense of self- almost too strong in some ways, to be honest. I have tons of squares to my Sun, but I feel that BECAUSE I have a lot of squares to my Sun, I've been tested a lot with my sense of self and it actually has made me become MORE SURE of who I am, not less sure of myself.

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The Sun square Uranus would be someone who struggles with nonconformity but does not seem to resolve it .

I have struggled with non-conformity, mostly when I was a child, but because I've done that, A LOT earlier than most people I know exactly who I am and who I am not, and I will not stray from that in my dealings with people.

I've also got Jupiter square Sun, and while I feel like that makes me a bit grandiose at times and over the top, overall, I've learned to at least become self-aware enough over time through experiences to know when I'm causing a stir.

To be honest, I fully believe that it's the easier aspects to the sun that are 'fuzzy' in who they are and how they express themselves. With trines and sextiles, you get the opportunity to kind of play with what you've got because you've never been tested like you have with the squares. I'm not sure about oppositions since they might see-saw back and forth. I also have sextiles to my Sun, and I think that they integrate into my personality to the point that they are often unnoticeable and in some ways discounted. That, to me, is not a strong sense of self.

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posted March 04, 2012 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by enchantress299:
I pretty well disagree with all of this.

I have an incredibly strong sense of self- almost too strong in some ways, to be honest. I have tons of squares to my Sun, but I feel that BECAUSE I have a lot of squares to my Sun, I've been tested a lot with my sense of self and it actually has made me become MORE SURE of who I am, not less sure of myself.

I have struggled with non-conformity, mostly when I was a child, but because I've done that, A LOT earlier than most people I know exactly who I am and who I am not, and I will not stray from that in my dealings with people.

I've also got Jupiter square Sun, and while I feel like that makes me a bit grandiose at times and over the top, overall, I've learned to at least become self-aware enough over time through experiences to know when I'm causing a stir.

To be honest, I fully believe that it's the easier aspects to the sun that are 'fuzzy' in who they are and how they express themselves. With trines and sextiles, you get the opportunity to kind of play with what you've got because you've never been tested like you have with the squares. I'm not sure about oppositions since they might see-saw back and forth. I also have sextiles to my Sun, and I think that they integrate into my personality to the point that they are often unnoticeable and in some ways discounted. That, to me, is not a strong sense of self.



Thanks so much. I love healthy discussion. I in no way am any sort of guru. I am a 3rd year student only!

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posted March 04, 2012 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have quite a strong sense of self. I have since I was a small child. Self esteem was low and I seldom "showed" myself when I was younger, but that by no means I didn't have a strong sense of who I am. Only (major) aspect I have to my sun is sun conjunct mercury.

The sun does indeed represent the self, but I feel like the ascendent will also play a roll in this as well because that represents the surface self. It's somewhat difficult to "separate" the self completely as well considering all of ones identity is part of a whole.

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Ami Anne
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posted March 04, 2012 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep true Tautomer

I wrote something on the ASC

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posted March 04, 2012 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was waiting for you to get to get to trine Jupiter
I have sun square my moon. I see how the two signs scratch against one another. Oppositions....both my parents have their sun and moon in opposite signs :\ It may not be as hard for people with oppositions as squares inside but outside for others around them, when they flip to the other one.... O_O

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posted March 04, 2012 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by enchantress299:
I pretty well disagree with all of this.

I have an incredibly strong sense of self- almost too strong in some ways, to be honest. I have tons of squares to my Sun, but I feel that BECAUSE I have a lot of squares to my Sun, I've been tested a lot with my sense of self and it actually has made me become MORE SURE of who I am, not less sure of myself.

I have struggled with non-conformity, mostly when I was a child, but because I've done that, A LOT earlier than most people I know exactly who I am and who I am not, and I will not stray from that in my dealings with people.

I've also got Jupiter square Sun, and while I feel like that makes me a bit grandiose at times and over the top, overall, I've learned to at least become self-aware enough over time through experiences to know when I'm causing a stir.

To be honest, I fully believe that it's the easier aspects to the sun that are 'fuzzy' in who they are and how they express themselves. With trines and sextiles, you get the opportunity to kind of play with what you've got because you've never been tested like you have with the squares. I'm not sure about oppositions since they might see-saw back and forth. I also have sextiles to my Sun, and I think that they integrate into my personality to the point that they are often unnoticeable and in some ways discounted. That, to me, is not a strong sense of self.


i agree that having hard aspects to any planets can make you stronger having worked with them,but having said that i would prefer a trine to a square any day of the week, and i wouldnt say that soft aspects make you fuzzy or wishy washy,they are just things that come naturally and that isnt such a bad thing

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posted March 04, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the whole thing with the chart is that it is NOT separate but we must separate it to learn so there will be holes.One person will say '"That's not me" It is how it is

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posted March 04, 2012 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
I was waiting for you to get to get to trine Jupiter
I have sun square my moon. I see how the two signs scratch against one another. Oppositions....both my parents have their sun and moon in opposite signs :\ It may not be as hard for people with oppositions as squares inside but outside for others around them, when they flip to the other one.... O_O


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posted March 04, 2012 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fondue Knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun is exactly opposite Neptune and exactly trine Pluto. I think Neptune in the 1st and Sun in the 7th sway me towards losing myself. However, I suppose you can't really discount the power of Pluto in Scorpio. Pluto also has been transiting opposite my Sun and Mars/conjunct my Neptune, so I think as time goes on I'm gaining more and more of a strong self-awareness.

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posted March 05, 2012 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump

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posted March 05, 2012 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doreen:
Mercury square Uranus better genius results yeah maybe BUT with a price

i dont understand, what kind of price do you mean? where did you read / get this?

i have the opposition, with a tsquare involving my moon to boot.

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posted March 06, 2012 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne,

Have you written about sun square Pluto? That's what I've got, though separated by 5 degrees.

Also I have sun square Jupiter exact. Wrestling with my sense of greatness

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posted March 06, 2012 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i dont understand, what kind of price do you mean? where did you read / get this?

i have the opposition, with a tsquare involving my moon to boot.

Well Uranus is great individuality and when it touches Mercury, the planet of the mind, one can be a genius but one can also be eccentric imo

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posted March 06, 2012 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Ami Anne,

Have you written about sun square Pluto? That's what I've got, though separated by 5 degrees.

Also I have sun square Jupiter exact. Wrestling with my sense of greatness



Sun square Pluto
Sun square Jupiter

How about you tell me how they feel and I will try to see if I can meditate and research it with my various study groups and see what I come up with.

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posted March 06, 2012 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about I start 2 new threads and we can discuss each of these. Would you be willing to get info on them and we can see how you feel them. That is the best way to get behind the eyes of the aspects. I need to go that before I can work with them.

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