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Topic: Astrology in Tarot
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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 22, 2012 08:59 AM
  
This is a list of astrological placements that are linked to the tarot.
00 The Fool ~ Uranus
01 The Magician ~ Mercury
02 The High Priestess ~ The Moon
03 The Empress ~ Venus
04 The Emperor ~ Aries
05 The Hierophant ~ Taurus
06 The Lovers ~ Gemini
07 The Chariot ~ Cancer
08 Strength ~ Leo
09 The Hermit ~ Virgo 10 The Wheel of Fortune ~ Jupiter
11 Justice ~ Libra
12 The Hanged Man ~ Neptune
13 Death ~ Scorpio
14 Temperance ~ Sagittarius 15 The Devil ~ Capricorn
16 The Tower ~ Mars
17 The Star ~ Aquarius
18 The Moon ~ Pisces
19 The Sun ~ Sun 20 Judgement ~ Pluto
21 The World/Universe ~ Saturn Minor Arcana Discs/Pentacles 02 ~ Jupiter in Capricorn
03 ~ Mars in Capricorn
04 ~ Sun in Capricorn
05 ~ Mercury in Taurus
06 ~ Moon in Taurus 07 ~ Saturn in Taurus
08 ~ Sun in Virgo
09 ~ Venus in Virgo
10 ~ Mercury in Virgo Wands 02 ~ Mars in Aries
03 ~ Sun in Aries
04 ~ Venus in Aries
05 ~ Saturn in Leo
06 ~ Jupiter in Leo 07 ~ Mars in Leo
08 ~ Mercury in Sagittarius
09 ~ Moon in Sagittarius
10 ~ Saturn in Sagittarius Cups 02 ~ Venus in Cancer
03 ~ Mercury in Cancer
04 ~ Moon in Cancer
05 ~ Mars in Scorpio
06 ~ Sun in Scorpio 07 ~ Venus in Scorpio
08 ~ Saturn in Pisces
09 ~ Jupiter in Pisces
10 ~ Mars in Pisces Swords 02 ~ Moon in Libra
03 ~ Saturn in Libra
04 ~ Jupiter in Libra
05 ~ Venus in Aquarius
06 ~ Mercury in Aquarius 07 ~ Moon in Aquarius
08 ~ Jupiter in Gemini
09 ~ Mars in Gemini
10 ~ Sun in Gemini
I've got card meanings on this blog if you don't know the tarot but are curious.
http://arachnesthreads.blogspot.co.uk/
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Aeline
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posted June 22, 2012 11:05 AM
Thank you so much! I love Tarot! IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 22, 2012 12:15 PM
Why insisting on Virgo-Hermit connection? I have seen couple of this type of crossovers,and they all say Hermit corresponds to Virgo. It is just ... lazy,I think.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 22, 2012 01:20 PM
Do you have a reason for saying it's lazy? One of the earliest connections comes from Crowley.Personally ~ I can see the sense of it. The sign of Virgo is typically analytical and even has the keywords of "I Analyse". This is usually done alone, in quiet. It's a sign that likes to reflect on things ~ as does the Hermit. Are you a Virgo yourself? Just wondering why you didn't pick on Death = Scorpio or Sun = Leo.... IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 22, 2012 01:21 PM
Thanks Aeline  IP: Logged |
AshSkye
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posted June 22, 2012 01:33 PM
Thankyou! This makes my tarot learning easier since I already know a lot about astrology
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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 22, 2012 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Do you have a reason for saying it's lazy? One of the earliest connections comes from Crowley.Personally ~ I can see the sense of it. The sign of Virgo is typically analytical and even has the keywords of "I Analyse". This is usually done alone, in quiet. It's a sign that likes to reflect on things ~ as does the Hermit. Are you a Virgo yourself? Just wondering why you didn't pick on Death = Scorpio or Sun = Leo....
Ha,wouldn't even try to separate the Leo and Sun,or Death and Scorp  Seems fitting,and I delightfully chuckle at Devil Cappy!
Something that's been bothering me,actually -Hermit is on a lonely path of questioning and weighing on matters,not just introspective. I can see the analytical connection,but I think Hermit comparisons capitalize on Virgo's poor rep. (honestly,no sign is more misunderstood) That's what I mean by lazy. I know many Virgo Moons and Risers,and I really know them. btw,I do have Virgo in me,Mercury  Fool,too,yes ingenuity of Uranus,deux ex machina of zodiac,but Fool is Jupiter,too. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 22, 2012 04:30 PM
@venusdisirius The Hermit is the wise yet practical sage and Virgo is an earth sign ruled by an "airy" planet. I have Venus in Virgo @29 deg and a Virgo MC. My eldest daughter is a Virgo, youngest has a Virgo Moon[along with one of my brothers, my brother in law and one of my nephews] oh and my sister is a Virgo. They're all slightly deranged yet one thing I have noticed about each of them is that they'll always want to know more. They all have their studious side going on. The Hermit offers a different kind of understanding compared to e;g The Hanged Man. It's the Hermit types that people go to for genuine guidance in everyday life. It seems that little bit more grounded than The High Priestess who deals mainly with the divine feminine. I understand what you mean (I think) about Virgo being misunderstood but I love my inner librarian The stereotypes get annoying though.
@Ashskye Thanks, I've found that astrology helps to add a lot of depth to the cards, especially when you're looking at personalities and situations. It's pretty useful for helping with timing of events too if you know where things are in the sky and timing cards come up.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 22, 2012 04:48 PM
Funny you should mention High Priestess,I pondered about her and Virgo,for a bit Appreciate the answer! And... "they are all slightly deranged"  IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 12:52 AM
I agree with VenusDiSirius that no sign is more misunderstood than Virgo. I am Virgo by the way. My take on the misunderstanding:For the past 2000+ years, we were under the age of Pisces. Since Virgo is the sign opposite Pisces, this was a very difficult time for Virgos to shine and truly express who they are. As we are moving into the age of Aquarius, the stereotypes about Virgo will slowly fall away as there will be a better understanding of this sign. Virgos in Ancient time were a sensuous (earth element), intelligent and playful (ruled by Mercury) and practical (earth element) people. From what I understand, in Ancient times, Virgos were temple prostitute, women who partook in sacred sex to heal men. The sex they offered did not debase or degrade them, hence the esoteric meaning of Virgo, that they could remain virgins, that is untouched and undefiled by the sex act. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted June 23, 2012 02:43 AM
Virgo Moon/Saturn here and can I see the relationship between the Hermit card and Virgo. Our modern definition of "hermit" indicates a person who is a recluse, or a person who retreats from society. The original definition of "hermit" is a person who devotes their life to God (instead of society), often living an ascetic life as a renunciate. It is important to mention that the original "hermit" is drawn to an ascetic life in the service of mankind. They are walking representation of their spiritual practice (teaching through example), like the concept of the virgin Mary or a vestal virgin, they are a vessel or channel for the divine.I think the original definition of Hermit is as fitting for Virgo as the Sun is to Leo or Death is to Scorpio. IP: Logged |
Aeline
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posted June 23, 2012 07:31 AM
BelangeFunny when I think like that... I'm Virgo rising, the feelings were pretty much the same. But now - everything is changing. Plus the fact that I have a NN i Aquarius... Should mean something too. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Virgo Moon/Saturn here and can I see the relationship between the Hermit card and Virgo. Our modern definition of "hermit" indicates a person who is a recluse, or a person who retreats from society. The original definition of "hermit" is a person who devotes their life to God (instead of society), often living an ascetic life as a renunciate. It is important to mention that the original "hermit" is drawn to an ascetic life in the service of mankind. They are walking representation of their spiritual practice (teaching through example), like the concept of the virgin Mary or a vestal virgin, they are a vessel or channel for the divine.I think the original definition of Hermit is as fitting for Virgo as the Sun is to Leo or Death is to Scorpio.
Renunciate. Ascetic life. Devoting life to God instead of society. That doesn't make sense for an earth sign. Perhaps your view is colored by your Saturn in Virgo. Saturn can give fear and denial in the sign where it is. One must work through this fear and denial to really embrace Saturn's gifts. The Virgin Mary as a vessel for the divine makes sense, but even the Virgin Mary did give birth (again earth element confers earthiness) to other children after Jesus, as evidence by the Biblical references to Jesus' other siblings. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 10:43 AM
Lemme say something. Virgos like to phuck. Ok?! We may be picky or very discriminating in choosing our sexual partners and when and how to have sex, but we still love to do the deed. Don't let that virgo stereotype fool you. In fact, Virgos that do not have good sex on the regular are precisely the ones that fall into the negative stereotypes associated with Virgo. They become unbalanced, nitpicky, carping, fault finding, restless, OCD, the work...To all my Virgo peeps: we are no longer overshadowed by the Age of Pisces. Time to go back into our own power and be and express who we truly are. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 12:21 PM
The following list is based on study and my personal ruminations/observations. I have added an explanation where I saw fit. I do believe that many cards have more than one astrological rulership or meaning. 00 The Fool ~ Neptune/Pisces/Aries
01 The Magician ~ Mercury/Uranus
02 The High Priestess ~ The Moon/Cancer
03 The Empress ~ Venus
04 The Emperor ~ Aries/Leo
05 The Hierophant ~ Taurus
06 The Lovers ~ Gemini
07 The Chariot ~ Saggitarius/Aries
08 Strength ~ Virgo (maiden closing the mouth of the Lion)
09 The Hermit ~ Pisces/Capricorn. (Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac, and when evolved transcends material concerns and becomes the highest vibration, the oldest soul. Capricorn when evolved, becomes the goat that scales the highest mountain)
10 The Wheel of Fortune ~ Jupiter/Uranus
11 Justice ~ Libra/Saturn (Saturn is exalted in Libra)
12 The Hanged Man ~ Neptune/Pisces
13 Death ~ Scorpio/Pluto/Saturn
14 Temperance ~ Scorpio (higher scorpios learn to master their passions)
15 The Devil ~ Capricorn/Pluto
16 The Tower ~ Uranus
17 The Star ~ Aquarius/Jupiter
18 The Moon ~ Moon/Cancer
19 The Sun ~ Sun
20 Judgement ~ Pluto/Saturn
21 The World/Universe ~ Saturn/Jupiter IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted June 23, 2012 12:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
Renunciate. Ascetic life. Devoting life to God instead of society. That doesn't make sense for an earth sign. Perhaps your view is colored by your Saturn in Virgo. Saturn can give fear and denial in the sign where it is. One must work through this fear and denial to really embrace Saturn's gifts. The Virgin Mary as a vessel for the divine makes sense, but even the Virgin Mary did give birth (again earth element confers earthiness) to other children after Jesus, as evidence by the Biblical references to Jesus' other siblings.
You have an interesting perspective, though your assumption about me personally is a bit strange for someone who has never met me. Thanks for the advise, if you would like to elaborate on the parts of Virgo I seem to be denying I'll take it into consideration (unless you are suggesting I become a temple prostitute). 1. There is no indication that earth signs are any less spiritually inclined or oriented than any other element. The earth element is a physical and practical manifestation of the spiritual world. Without it, spirit would be without an anchor. This rule is echoed on every level regardless of a person's religious or spiritual beliefs. Virgo is ruled by Mercury, and retreats into the mind like Gemini. But unlike Gemini, Virgo's constant returning to the mind is for the sake of returning with practical information. Hence they retreat into a personal place with the determination to discover answers. This pattern by itself is renunciation. The Virgo looks inward not outward for answers, in order to benefit their environment. 2. Asceticism is defined as "self discipline". The archetype of Virgo is so disciplined, dirt is afraid to touch their shoes. Virgo is always looking to improve, and that requires regimes like enduring the consumption of nutritious foods instead of flavorful ones for the sake of living a healthy lifestyle. Virgo rules the house of work and service, both of which require self discipline to endure throughout a lifetime. 3. "like the concept of the virgin Mary" does not mean "like Mary the person". That said, your response does not apply. Mary's other children are irrelevant to her archetype, especially considering you talk about the concept in your prior post "hence the esoteric meaning of Virgo, that they could remain virgins, that is untouched and undefiled by the sex act". Alternately, the original meaning of the word "Virgin" is not strictly applicable to sex. http://professorwhatif.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/what-if-we-used-the-word-%E2%80%98virgin-in-accordance-with-its-original-meaning/ IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 12:52 PM
Xiiro, my assumption about you was not meant to be personal. I was only speaking of what your Saturn in Virgo could signify, from the point of view of astrology. I apologize if I offended you. Allow me to elaborate on a few other things.Spirit does not need earth as an anchor. There are plenty of spirits that are unearthly and I am sure they are content. That Virgo looks inward, not outwards for answers is not exclusive or specific of Virgos. What is specific of Virgo is that it looks for information and usually tons of it, then Virgo digests it and tries to make the result into a coherent whole, which can be quite a challenge due to Virgo's tendency to look at the trees, not the forest. The task of Virgo is to know what is appropriate to take in mentally and physically, hence the need for discrimination. Virgo's digestive systems are sensitive, reflecting the need to be discriminating in what to take in mentally and physically. Your statement about Virgo and dirt were interesting, and made me chuckle. I believe it is a remnant of the Age of Pisces stereotyping. Virgo is not standing in the air or on a horse or in a tower or in water. Virgo is standing on the earth, on the ground, and is surely touching dirt and dirt is touching her. Virgo, I repeat is an earth sign, and I am waiting for people to catch on with what it really means. There are Virgos who actually enjoy the taste of nutritious foods, and I am one of them. We are not necessarily being ascetic when choosing nutritious foods versus junk foods. We really enjoy it. Not quite sure I understood the point you were making about Virgin Mary, so I will leave it at that. I do appreciate your input. With your Saturn in Virgo, you are most likely imparting much grounding and stability to me personally, as I have 3 planets in Virgo.
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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 23, 2012 01:21 PM
Belage ~ I don't think you've understood Xiiro.He/she is saying that earth is a physical and practical manifestation of the spiritual world is correct. Earth signs bring "form". It isn't a question of whether the spirit needs earth as an anchor. The point Xiiro was making in connection to Mary is that the word virgin has been misinterpreted/misused. I was actually going to post about that aspect myself so I'm glad it got brought up. Some of us have never seen Virgo as virginal in the sexually virginal sense. I think you're being a bit rude with the following quote "I repeat is an earth sign, and I am waiting for people to catch on with what it really means" No one here is saying anything about Virgo NOT being earthy. That said ~ it's not the kind of sensuality imparted by Taurus [ruled by Venus]. There's usually got to be something going on mentally for a planet in Virgo to be stimulated. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 01:35 PM
I understood Xiiro. He said without earth, spirit would be without an anchor. I don't agree. If I am coming across as rude, I apologize. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 01:47 PM
I didn't mean to be rude. I guess this is all a bit personal for me, having had to deal with all the stupid stereotypes about Virgo since I first became aware of astrology. So glad things will be a-changing with the Age of Aquarius. 2000+ years from now, Leos will be the ones having to recover from all the stereotypes piled up on them. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted June 23, 2012 02:09 PM
All signs have stereotypes Virgo is not an exception in this case. Leo is already getting a bashing with everyone hating on the ego Capricorn gets the "stuffy old goat" Gemini ~ the one who doesn't want to grow up...and poor old Scorpio is supposed to be sex obsessed.We're always more sensitive if it's personal. Which is understandable. I do agree that "Piscean" qualities have been deified over the last few hundred years though. The spirit/anchor thing is part of a belief... you're entitled to it. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 23, 2012 02:19 PM
You're right, all signs have to deal with stereotypes. What I am trying to say with more or less articulation (and hopefully less rudeness) is that in the Age of Pisces the stereotypes about Virgo took a particularly inaccurate bent due to Virgo being the astral opposite of Pisces. I am also convinced that Virgos being unable to fully express themselves during that age contributed to the spread of these stereotypes by their unbalanced behavior.I seriously think astrologers need to re-think their opinion/concepts about Virgo as they may have been clouded by 2000 years of Neptunian fog. The other signs that were affected and unbalanced by the Piscean Age were Gemini and Sagg. For years, I harbored stereotypes about Gemini and they seem to do everything to confirm them. But I think there is more to The Twins and I am re-educating myself about them. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted June 23, 2012 05:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Belage:
Xiiro,....as I have 3 planets in Virgo.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on most of these points, and in some cases I'll just have to mark these points off as a loss for trying to explain my position. You seem to be talking about individuals (which are capable of manifesting a sign at any range of the spectrum) where I am talking about Virgo as an archetype (which is what the tarot card is associated with). I am also wagering you and I have some synastry which is resulting in communication issues. So for now, I'll take your words into consideration. Thanks for the talk. =) IP: Logged |
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