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IndigoDirae
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posted June 08, 2012 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. If one of my actors hadn't come to me today complaining about the inexplicable wind being knocked out of his sails for the past week, I wouldn't have even realised THIS was the problem. And yet, when he came to me about it, the first thing to pop into my head was Neptune-Mars transit.

But, oh, just wait. It gets better.

So, this project was full speed ahead back in October, and by February, almost all of that momentum was gone. It's easy to see now, with a look at what the Neptune transit is not only doing to me, but also my partner, and most of my cast and crew. Around there, Saturn also decided to hang out over my Sun-Pluto, adding insult to injury.

ME: Neptune squaring Mars, opposing Venus, sesquisquaring my Sun-Pluto, and, of course, squaring my MC. Saturn conjunct Sun-Pluto.

PARTNER / COSTAR #1: Neptune conjunct Mars, squaring Moon. Saturn squaring his Ascendant.

COSTAR #2: Neptune opposing Mars, semisquaring Mercury. Saturn conjunct his Ascendant, opposite his Sun, Mercury, AND Venus.

COSTAR #3: Neptune opposing Venus, sesquisquaring his Mars, and semisquaring his Moon. Saturn conjunct his Mars, opposing his Moon, squaring his Mercury.

Those're the highlights. The 'greatest hits', as it were. As you can see, we're getting it six ways from Sunday. What I need to know is how to get everything BACK in order and in top shape. By the 25th of this month.

What is going ON? What am I supposed to be learning from this? What are we supposed to do in order to make our deadlines and keep on track? How do we 'weather' this ridiculously debilitating 'cosmic storm' ?

ALL advice is appreciated - and ASAP.

-A.

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Doux Rêve
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posted June 08, 2012 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I could help you, but in all honesty, when tNeptune was squaring my Mars not so long ago, there was not much I could do. I was feeling low, everything was confusing, I was being lied to and manipulated, and things just basically sucked. I just had to wait til the transit was over (and it DID get better).

Now, tNeptune squares my ASC/DSC axis, widely opposes my Moon and tSaturn will soon pass over my Venus/Jupiter conjunction AGAIN.

Things aren't THAT bad, but meh, could be a lot better.

Add to that the retrograde Venus, which turns everything inward, and you get quite an introverted picture, at least for me.

So, I am not surprised things aren't really going "by plan", but that's how life works, right? We don't always understand why we go through some things at some particular moments.

I hope someone more helpful will chime in and give you some good advice, though! Hopefully there *is* something you can do.

Good luck with everything!

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slowpoke
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posted June 10, 2012 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slowpoke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All transiting planets affect individuals differently, depending on their natal aspects.

The slower transiting planets of JP, SA, UR, NP & P; as you know, tend to linger in one position for a period of time - leaving people to feel like they are going through a phase. But, in many cases, their affects can lie dormant. Only to be activated when the transiting Sun makes aspect to one of the slower planet(s), that is aspecting the natal planets - or group of natal aspects.

See how the transiting Sun from now through your deadline date is aspecting other transiting planets, especially in your case NP and SA. The Sun is the trigger, so it may show you if your problems are temporary or will last for a few more days.

No matter when you start a project that will last longer than a calendar month - it will go through an upbeat phase - a moderate phase and - a down phase (not necessarily in this order). This is a natural process, try and look for them - understand them and - work through them with this knowledge. The down time may not look as bad then.


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IndigoDirae
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posted June 10, 2012 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slowpoke:
All transiting planets affect individuals differently, depending on their natal aspects.

The slower transiting planets of JP, SA, UR, NP & P; as you know, tend to linger in one position for a period of time - leaving people to feel like they are going through a phase. But, in many cases, their affects can lie dormant. Only to be activated when the transiting Sun makes aspect to one of the slower planet(s), that is aspecting the natal planets - or group of natal aspects.

See how the transiting Sun from now through your deadline date is aspecting other transiting planets, especially in your case NP and SA. The Sun is the trigger, so it may show you if your problems are temporary or will last for a few more days.

No matter when you start a project that will last longer than a calendar month - it will go through an upbeat phase - a moderate phase and - a down phase (not necessarily in this order). This is a natural process, try and look for them - understand them and - work through them with this knowledge. The down time may not look as bad then.


slowpoke


Unbelievably useful, slowpoke. Thank you. I wasn't aware how transits could be more 'activated' depending upon where the Sun is hitting other slow-movers natally aspecting the ones being hit by big transits. That really gives a better perspective.

As for this, honestly, it's Neptune. All the way. Curiously, my partner and I are semi-useless apart right now, and only extremely productive when working closely together. Our composite's not getting any of this crap - though Saturn's going to start conjoning our Saturn-Pluto (and Atlantis-Lust - one big crazy 27-29* Libra stellium in the 12H). Your guess is as good as mine what that's about - but by your information, I'm guessing it won't even really be felt except in, say, October, when the Sun's there? Wonder how it works in composites.

This seems an effect of Neptune squaring my Mars, honestly, given that it was going, going, going, and then BAM. Just one week, it STOPPED. I've been lethargic and distractible - and even MORE stressed BECAUSE of the lack of productivity and wheel-spinning. So I try harder and stress more, (how we Virgo rising's roll) and get even further nowhere, and become ever further frustrated. Rinse, repeat. Since February.

If you say the Sun's the 'trigger', then these are the points at which the transit would've been most 'active':

20 MARCH - 07 APRIL (t-Sun trining n-Mars; t-Mars squaring n-Mars, t-Nep squaring n-Mars - 2* degrees).

07 APRIL - 18 APRIL (t-Sun opposite n-Sun, t-Mars squaring n-Mars, t-Nep squaring n-Mars.)

12 MAY - 28 MAY - (t-Sun opposite n-Mars, t-Mars conj n-ASC-Venus, t-Sun on MC, t-Nep squaring n-Mars.

Here's the thing. Right around the point at which t-Sun was preparing to oppose my n-Mars, disturbing news of a friend who was suicidally depressed came through; on 14 May, we'd learnt that he'd taken his life. I naturally attributed the 'inability to do anything, focus, concentrate, move a finger' which preceded, and has continued, to that. One of my cast members is suffering the same, (t-Nep opp n-Mars) who was a friend of his as well. I assumed the same. I hadn't realised we might ALSO be slapped with these transits making EVERYTHING worse. Compounding things.

Meanwhile, my partner is (logically) saying, 'I'm sympathetic, but find us another visual effects artist, and let's GO.' He doesn't deal with his emotion.

Technically, 31 May was when the Sun (according to my widest orb understanding) moved out of orb. For sake of argument, I just consider a transit absolutely, positively, no longer active when it's past 10* orb, and likewise, it's not doing anything at ALL, until it comes within at LEAST 10*. I consider a transit 'active' when it's within 2* degrees of aspect.

So, yes, this WOULD explain that absolutely, dazed, hit-with-a-Mack-truck week of total hell. But - what the hell is going on NOW? It's improved - slightly - but NOT to the point where I feel it's 'over'. Know what I'm saying? I'm still feeling SOMETHING.

Technically, as it moved out of opposing my Mars, it DID come into trine with my Sun; if we go by 'my orbs' again, it'd be when it hit 9* Gemini. So, it'd have made a very smooth transition into not-yet unopposing my Mars, but beginning to trine my natal Sun - and Pluto - if that even matters.

Meanwhile, Saturn is, of course, seriously effing with my ess, by hanging out on my Sun-Pluto throughout. I've yet to even attempt going over all of THAT yet. Neptune has my hands full.

And, on we go. The closest the Sun-trine-Sun/Pluto aspect being yesterday.

It's going to quincunx my Mars yet. Does THAT have an effect? So far, I MUST be doing this terribly incorrectly, because all I've seen are maybe a few days - potentially a week - here and there where the Sun ISN'T in some way activating the Mars/Neptune or Sun/Saturn nastiness.

Advice! Please!

-A.

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slowpoke
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posted June 12, 2012 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slowpoke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to here about your friend, my condolence.

10 Degrees:
You catch on quick. I have found that using a 10 degree orb for transits constantly leaves me reeling from Astrological calamity to another with no chance of catching my breath. Analyzing becomes too frustrating and discouraging. So, I prefer 5 degree orbs because this is when I begin to feel the strongest aspect impulse. The drawback is that I have to plan for smaller moments of opportunity and that the most desirable aspects never last long enough for me to fully appreciate the benefits.

Transit Timing:
Transits are tricky to fully understand, because there are two elements to effectively using them. You have the day to day transit - this is what most people focus on. And then, there is the timing issue within one day - this is when the Sun goes through all of the signs within a twenty-four hour period. This, is again, when the Sun may trigger the very same aspects you see on a day to day basis, instead this happens on a hourly basis. If we look at transits from this point of view - we may be able to see at what point of time your friend may have been most prone to taking his final action.

Construct your one day transit clock:
If you are into transit work, you should go to one of the websites that offer a free pie natal chart. Use your date of birth and get a natal chart for every fifteen minute interval with that twenty-four hour period. Once you have collected the pie charts, notice how the Sun and planets move from house to house position and how they make aspect to the Asc and Mc. The Sun's position will be the key - to where it is through the course of the day - relative to your known natal planet positions.

Composites:
Personally speaking, explanations that surround Composite aspects makes sense to me. But, when I tried putting it into practice, unexplainable things seem to always happen and I would struggle in trying to find hidden meanings into the unexplained. It wasn't until I had an unexpected run in with the law - while using Composite interpretations that I dropped it and started learning Synastry Astrology instead. In time I began comparing Composite to Synastry and discovered - if the Composite aspects were really good, the Synastry aspects tended to be really bad; if the Synastry aspects were really good then the Composites were really bad. But the most important thing relative to my concerns was that when I use Synastry aspects to kick off an initiative - the results were always what the Synastry would suggest with no surprises.

Transit & Synastry aspects:
This conversation has been about transits and I have not strayed away from it by talking about Synastry aspects that is because Transit aspects equal Synastry aspects. Take your birthdate and see what the transit aspects will be for you on July 25, 2012. Now, lets say you are having a baby and she is expected to arrive on July 25, 2012 at noon. Get a Synastry chart made between you and your expected child, notice the similarity between aspects between your transit aspects of 725.12 and your Synastry aspects of your expected child - the results are very close to being the same. What does this mean?

You can use either future transit aspects or future Synastry aspects to find favorable dates to start future projects.


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IndigoDirae
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posted June 23, 2012 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, slowpoke. All of that is absolutely invaluable.

Quick update.

My lead actor came down with shingles last week. We were scheduled to shoot this week.

Not anymore.

!@#% you, Neptune. @#* !@&%, Saturn.

-A.

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