posted October 24, 2012 05:00 PM            

Many racists seem to be so fixed with their views and some racists use the "im not racist but....."

Im Wondering what signs or placements would be indicitive of racism or narrowmindedness.

Im not going to look at a chart and say too much cardinal energy they must be racist .
but im just wondering if its even possible to find clues.

I know nobody is born racist or with prejudice and we are all capable of it but i think there is a difference between a person who is very prejudice and refuses to change and would even kill to support their beliefs than a person who couldn't give two and doesn't care.

posted October 24, 2012 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by lovehate122:

Im talking extreme racism here like KKK level not just a mild disliking.

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posted October 24, 2012 06:22 PM              

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Originally posted by lovehate122:
Now this could get touchy and really offensive but i've always been curious about this .

Many racists seem to be so fixed with their views and some racists use the "im not racist but....."

Im Wondering what signs or placements would be indicitive of racism or narrowmindedness.

Im not going to look at a chart and say too much cardinal energy they must be racist .
but im just wondering if its even possible to find clues.

I know nobody is born racist or with prejudice and we are all capable of it but i think there is a difference between a person who is very prejudice and refuses to change and would even kill to support their beliefs than a person who couldn't give two and doesn't care.

Im talking extreme racism here like KKK level not just a mild disliking.

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There is a study that has been conducted out of the University of Indiana (I believe, but I can get back to you on that) that has a sample size of 5,000 and finds that the KKK is comprised 99% of just four sun signs - 40% Pisces, with the remaining 60% being Scorpio, Cancer and Capricorn. There were only 8 members, past and present, who were air signs (the KKK documented the birth and death records of all its members since the early 1900's).

posted October 24, 2012 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
There is a study that has been conducted out of the University of Indiana (I believe, but I can get back to you on that) that has a sample size of 5,000 and finds that the KKK is comprised 99% of just four sun signs - 40% Pisces, with the remaining 60% being Scorpio, Cancer and Capricorn. There were only 8 members, past and present, who were air signs (the KKK documented the birth and death records of all its members since the early 1900's).

I do believe that sun signs influence people's proneness to radicalism. I think that my own sign of Aquarius is one of them, only Aquarians tend to be radical Marxists.

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Wtf? that's crazy...If you do find a link to it, I'd be interested to read that. Pisces? Anyway I just googled for Nick Griffin who's the leader of the BNP[nowhere near as radical as the KKK] and hey ho! he's a pisces :/

posted October 24, 2012 10:38 PM            

I dislike when people give the I'm not racist but speech. Sometimes it is very surprising to hear those statements. It is very disappointing when someone reveals their racist attitudes, when you didn't expect it from them,

posted October 25, 2012 02:46 AM            

i was raised to believe that everyone is equal, no matter what. that i, as caucasian, have no right to believe that i'm better than anyone because of the color of my skin.

however! my parents also taught me it's not good to mix religious beliefs, culture and race! well, they discouraged it. my dad, catholic and my mom is baptist and even they told us growing up that their religious issues were a problem and that race/culture/ethnic differences would be too. (my parents are divorced)

although i find certain black, asian, spanish and brown men super attractive, thinking about dating one does not even cross my mind... my two sisters and i had this conversation recently when my one sister started dating a very white-washed Spanish guy.

my parents, both Pisces. myself, Capricorn. My one sister who is married to a self-proclaimed racist (who is also Pisces) is Aquarius. and my sister who is happy with a Spaniard is a Libra.

posted October 25, 2012 03:14 AM            

I know a Cancer who used to be a racist, especially against black people. But then there was an accident and he was about to die, and all his white friends ran to save themselves while a black guy he'd always avoided went to great risk to save his life. After that he felt such guilt that he became the ultimate anti-racist, as if to make up for his years of bigotry.

I've got some racists in my family (but it's East Texas, so there's a cultural encouragement--not so much West Texas, however, and also Austin tends to be PC, not sure why) but only a few are blatantly so (and also old)...the signs I know are Pisces and Aries. But the Aries is more complicated, her racism seems to come and go and I'd say overall that as long as the races "remember their place" then she's fine with other races and get along with them...that is she can be ok with say a black janitor and show genuine civility, but a black (or even half-black) POTUS is unacceptable just as the black group that forced a courthouse to lower a Confederate flag over a year ago as they're forgetting their place. (ETA: I just recalled, she had some strong Scorpio placements as well, but I forget the details.)

But my mom's a Scorpio and I don't think she's racist (though she's more proud than most in our family of her Swedish heritage and also takes pride in being towheaded)...she holds EVERYONE in contempt.

posted October 25, 2012 04:44 AM            

The rest of my immediate family on the other hand...they are all pretty racist to an extent. My Sagittarius older brother thinks that it's funny to act like he's racist, my mother who's Libra actually IS racist (she'll say things like..."Uh-oh everyone, lock your doors, we're pulling into the black neighborhood..." And she was also incredibly upset that most of the people at her new job that were also starting out were black. My Leo father drops the, "N bomb" quite a bit, and my Libra younger brother thinks that racist jokes are funny and often makes them.

posted October 25, 2012 09:33 AM            

Of course even if that study turns out to be legite it wouldn't mean those signs are inherently racist because if it did then the KKK (and other toxic racial hate groups) would be rampant rather than the exception to the rule...and it could also mean they find comfort in an organized social setting or otherwise that it was true of other organizations as well (I could see this being true of Cancers in general), that is to say it was the social structure and perhaps appeal to a family or secret society that drew them rather than the racism. Or maybe social conditions used to be such that most people were likely to be born at those times. Hard to say without seeing the study. And at least these days most white supremacist groups hate the KKK...would they also have a strong tendency to share the same astrological influences as the KKK or not?

On a more esoteric level it might be worth finding out when the KKK was officially "born" and making a natal chart for it to compare to the charts of those who joined...

posted October 25, 2012 10:07 AM            

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posted October 25, 2012 12:07 PM            

But you can tell if the person may deal with those who are literally foreigner to them, or those they may think are foreigner to them and how that might play out can be seen in the aspects. And from what I have studied 9th house, 3rd house, Sagittarius and Jupiter and squares and hard aspects CAN show signs of dealing with racism or being racist or deal with issues of diversity and culturally aware competence. Of course it can also show travel, studying in different cultures or different cultures, marrying someone of a different culture etc. In addition to this, 6/12 house and Virgo/Pisces and Neptune can be related to servants and serving and hard aspects to these planets could show racism etc.

I for one lost family members on my fathers side in concentration camps.

I as a elementary school girl was at a private catholic school and dealt with horrible kids who beat me up because I was 1. Vegetarian at a time (1980) when most people were not - like spat on me, kicked me and wouldn't let me eat with them and 2. Had a British mother who brought me up with completely different cultural ways then my more "American" classmates. So the way I spoke and dressed and my mannerism were an easy target to be made fun of.

I am also in a biracial marriage and we have a little girl.

So issues of racism and rigid thinking and behaviors boil my blood.

For more than 15 years I have worked in higher education serving students who are first generation to college or underrepresented in the college system.

But it is important to acknowledge that even the best intended people have biases. When teaching people about how to become culturally aware and increase their knowledge around diversity, it is the first thing I discuss. The worst think you can say is you don't have one shred of bias towards others. It could be as simple as "All women are bad drivers." "Old people talk too much."

ORRR One of the things that I have a hard time dealing with on this website are those people that make blanket statements about signs. "All Taurus are lazy." "All Virgos are critical." I just want to scream.

Any type of extreme thinking and judgmental comments show rigidity and lend itself to "excluding" people.

Okay...I'll stop now... I could just keep on going...

posted October 25, 2012 02:43 PM            

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It's kinda like the racism for zodiac signs - judging people based on a certain sign and being hateful about it. ^^

People don't get born racists - they are thought to be like that or pick that hate from their entourage... from their experience with Gemini (for example ^^ ).

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posted October 25, 2012 05:28 PM            

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So issues of racism and rigid thinking and behaviors boil my blood.

For more than 15 years I have worked in higher education serving students who are first generation to college or underrepresented in the college system.

But it is important to acknowledge that even the best intended people have biases. When teaching people about how to become culturally aware and increase their knowledge around diversity, it is the first thing I discuss. The worst think you can say is you don't have one shred of bias towards others. It could be as simple as "All women are bad drivers." "Old people talk too much."

ORRR One of the things that I have a hard time dealing with on this website are those people that make blanket statements about signs. "All Taurus are lazy." "All Virgos are critical." I just want to scream.

Any type of extreme thinking and judgmental comments show rigidity and lend itself to "excluding" people.

Okay...I'll stop now... I could just keep on going...

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posted October 25, 2012 06:20 PM              

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No one is saying that one is automatically racist by their stars (certainly not in an extreme KKK way, and things like merely making racist jokes don't count in most cases), though I also hope Aquacheeka links to that study showing the birth dates of KKK members.

Of course even if that study turns out to be legite it wouldn't mean those signs are inherently racist because if it did then the KKK (and other toxic racial hate groups) would be rampant rather than the exception to the rule...and it could also mean they find comfort in an organized social setting or otherwise that it was true of other organizations as well (I could see this being true of Cancers in general), that is to say it was the social structure and perhaps appeal to a family or secret society that drew them rather than the racism. Or maybe social conditions used to be such that most people were likely to be born at those times. Hard to say without seeing the study. And at least these days most white supremacist groups hate the KKK...would they also have a strong tendency to share the same astrological influences as the KKK or not?

On a more esoteric level it might be worth finding out when the KKK was officially "born" and making a natal chart for it to compare to the charts of those who joined...

Btw, if anyone wants to note exceptions to that study, please try listing other planets if you can as well, thanks. (Actually, that's always a good idea, IMO.) Because if that study turns out to look legite I'm gonna be very intrigued...actually, mentioning that study is what caused me to become truly interested in this thread.

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Hey PixieJane

OK I went back and checked and the university she attends is actually Purdue University. She's been working on this thesis for over 3 years (she is a "race & history" major) and when she first brought the idea to her department they laughed at her... until they looked at some of the data. Then they got intrigued. She got another extension and is currently finishing up her thesis, so I'll let you know when I have more info on the publication date. On a personal level, I'm always in favour of anything which lends more mainstream credibility to astrology because what I know to be true instinctively I'm certain can be verified statistically/scientifically for those who are willing to conduct the research. More and more now, this is proving to be the case as more and more people do conduct large-scale studies on astrology.

I'm not sure why exactly all three water signs are represented but I DO know that David Duke is a Cancer and that Nathan Bedford Forrest (founder of KKK) was also a Cancer.

posted October 25, 2012 06:36 PM              

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Water Signs are most programmable. Racism is a disease spread from programming by racist elders and racist documentation. Thus, it makes sense for a vast majority of racists to be emotionally programmed water signs. However, I am sure there are many other harsh aspects that numb Spiritual thinking and allow this disease to spread in their Aura. I would look at Jupiter squares to Moon or Mercury that curtail higher wisdom to those who choose to stay inside the box.

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Oh, very interesting take. It certainly makes sense; if you can appeal to the water sign's
sense of sentimentality you can mold their feelings on a particular thing... but I read this in full after it was posted here on Lindaland, "Elemental Astrology," and I found all four descriptions to be shockingly accurate and for water signs the astrologer (Liz Green) did say that they base their opinions on their personal experiences and that one bad experience with a person of another race could make them bigoted towards all people of that group: http://songsdomain.tripod.com/water/index.html. I found the description for air signs to be right on the mark and from what I know of fire-heavy people, that was right on the mark, too.

posted October 25, 2012 09:07 PM            

Now that you mention it, I know only one unapologetic racist, and he's a Pisces man.

posted October 25, 2012 09:29 PM              

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I find the Cancer thing interesting, and my guess would be that it's similar to blind loyalty ("right or wrong" and of course all wrong is rationalized or overlooked) to family, religion & nation that so many seem to have.

I know a Cancer who used to be a racist, especially against black people. But then there was an accident and he was about to die, and all his white friends ran to save themselves while a black guy he'd always avoided went to great risk to save his life. After that he felt such guilt that he became the ultimate anti-racist, as if to make up for his years of bigotry.

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Sounds like American History X.

That didn't end so well for Edward Norton. :/

posted October 25, 2012 09:29 PM              

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Now that you mention it, I know only one unapologetic racist, and he's a Pisces man.

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posted October 25, 2012 09:39 PM              

As far as dating prople of different religious or ethnic backgrounds, i don't know of i'd consider that racist because that is something to take into account when trying to bond with someone over common interests or experiences; the reasons i guess would matter.

For example, i know for a fact that i would most likely never be too keen on getting together with someone who grew up as an extreme southern baptist. I have absolutely no reason so dislike anyone for their religion but just because of the contrast between what they would be likely to believe and what i believe (religion aside) is so different, it wouldn't work.

I'd have more of an interest in rock/pop..
They'd have an interest in gospel.

posted October 25, 2012 11:38 PM            

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I'd have more of an interest in rock/pop..
They'd have an interest in gospel.

We'd have to each have our own tv's!

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Not unless they were really old, and maybe not even then. The thing you'd have to worry more about Southern Baptists is hypocrisy and showing a very different face in public than in private.

I know I saw it growing up, I suspect that hearing how sex will send them to Hell gets them so horny that they sometimes can't even wait to leave the church parking lot before rubbing on one another. And when I mentioned that to Granny she told me the reason she stopped going to that church (before taking me when I was 13 and then remembering why she stopped going long before I was even born) was because after she came back from California a single mother (who hadn't even been married) with kids they all looked down on her as immoral and wicked and publicly wouldn't have anything to do with her, and they preached against being a single mom in the church, but then many of the men (some married) would visit offering to "help" and try getting in her pants (she even got fooled a couple of times that they actually felt something for her as they were such good liars in addition to hypocrites and/or perverts).

And a bunch of Southern Baptists are also drunkards, brawlers, bearers of false witness, and other types of unpleasant people (and I mean noticeably more than other people who don't thump a Bible).

And it's not just in East Texas nor is it just Southern Baptists because others have told me similar things about their church (or the church their family or SO belonged to). And I've heard all kinds of stories of abuse, debauchery, and worse from them as well as like one guy who worked in a hotel who said that whenever there was a fundamentalist Christian convention (and thus many staying could be presumed to be there for that) there was a spike in PPV porn...and that matches like one of those Republican conventions I think less than a year ago with all the ads requesting anonymous gay sex (and enough of them get caught at it, from Larry Craig to Ted Haggard), history has shown plenty of clergy who were the biggest moral crusaders were themselves child molesters or otherwise worse than those they persecuted, and Anton LaVey claimed he made a living playing music for both the bawdy shows on Saturday nights, as well as for tent revivalists on Sunday mornings, and saw many of the same people attending both. And I also vaguely recall reading somewhere that church picnics were actually dangerous places for young girls to be because a surprising number of them got raped there.

Well, yeah...I'd be inclined to stay away from Southern Baptists as well, but not because they listen to gospel and don't have sex, that's just the mask they wear for the public.

Not to say they're all like that, or even most (I don't know, but it's more than just a "few bad apples"), but even the ones who aren't that I know (being related to plenty and having spent years in a small town practically ruled by Baptists I knew more than a few) tend to be a lot more mainstream than you might guess. Really, it's the Baptists that make a really big deal on how holy they are that are the ones to watch out for...but then anyone who tries too hard to convince you s/he's good is probably trying to get you to let your guard down by putting on such a show.

And then there are those who genuinely try, those can be darkly amusing, like the Baptist couple who volunteered at the same food bank (in California) I did who tried walking the straight & narrow after having been "saved" by a religious program from their life of drugs and her of prostitution to boot, and they weren't even supposed to drink, but for whatever reason the pair started sharing a bottle of I think Jack and she started complaining openly to him so that we overheard that he liked to sodomize her so much that she wondered if he was secretly gay (which made him leave in a rage, though it might've been our breaking out laughing that drove him away).

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