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Topic: Calling All Leos! ...and anyone with insight into a Leo's traits
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ComplexGem
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From: Concord, CA 94531
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 06, 2012 06:26 PM
  
Hello everyone,
I'm lookig for some insight, please. Met this nice Leo (Libra rising, Venus in Virgo, Mars in Scorpio). By the third date our chemestry had grown to be amazing! Now seeing eachother for six months. But he has gradually become very complacent with me reaching out to him. He will not do so, unless I haven't contacted him in a couple of days and only texts, doesn't call. Before our firs intimate encounter (and I say this because I make love but not sure if he makes love to me or sees it as only "sex" - which is amazing BTW!!), we agreed to be exclusive and I have kept to my word and plan to do so, for as long as I am with him. But not knowing where he stands on our "friendship/relationship?" kills me. I told him how I felt about this before and he said that he is not playing games with me, but he needs more time to be certain (didn't say certain of what!!) I recently realized that I love this man and if I knew it would eventually become something more official, I wouldn't mind waiting as long as he needs. But I feel like it would be a waste of time for me to continue "this" much longer without him showing more interest and commitment to "us". I have attended only a couple of social events with him/his friends, and he's attended a couple of mine. But we continue to introduce eachother as "friends". He has not introduced family. He has met my children. We go to public places together, so I don't necessarily feel like he's trying to hide me. But... Am I missing the obvious? Am I better off moving on? Should I continue to wait for this gentle Leo?
Thank you for reading and for your insight!------------------
Sun 15 D Gemini
Rising 20 D Scorpio
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hannaramaa
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posted November 06, 2012 06:27 PM
There's a "Leo Men" thread right above this one, too.  I would move on. I've heard horror stories about Leo and the few success stories about them. Leos aren't really "uncertain" signs by any means. You said it yourself - be certain about what exactly? If he doesn't know now, or by now, then he's not going to know a month or three months from now. The truth is he's just not that into you...but the good thing is someone else out there will be. So you should just go look for him instead. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted November 06, 2012 06:29 PM
Sounds ridiculous. He needs more time for what....? He has already had sex with you.....he should be committed by now, or informed you that he is not in love with you or something...unless he actually is.
If this is how most Leo Suns act then I am so disappointed in them.PS; that Venus in Virgo trait is nasty. I think you should move on because his wandering eye might be always looking for something better. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 06, 2012 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Sounds ridiculous. He needs more time for what....? He has already had sex with you.....he should be committed by now, or informed you that he is not in love with you or something...unless he actually is.
If this is how most Leo Suns act then I am so disappointed in them.PS; that Venus in Virgo trait is nasty. I think you should move on because his wandering eye might be always looking for something better.
Leos will hold someone on a string for the mere attention given when they are not into someone, however they will not judge you for your feelings for them when not returned either... why would they? They
"know" they're fabulous.
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asclibrasagsun
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posted November 06, 2012 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Leos will hold someone on a string for the mere attention given when they are not into someone, however they will not judge you for your feelings for them when not returned either... why would they? They
"know" they're fabulous.
Omg even more disgusting. Scary lol So even the really ugly ones think they are fabulous? IP: Logged |
pancakes22
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posted November 06, 2012 09:29 PM
Complex...I have leo sun,libra rising, virgp venus, cap mars. Very similar to your guy. Lemme tell you, when I love a girl. I show her off to Everyone, she'll meet friends and family very very early on. I'll adore her, She'll know I love her. In my past, I regret having relationships that sound like yours. If he's calling you his friend 6 mos in. That's a serious problem. 6 mos. In and I'm contemplating saving money for a ring. His virgo venus means he's looking for something better if he's still calling you his friend. This may sound harsh but it's the truth. Start detaching emotionally. He may chase you, but be very weary, we confuse passion and sex with loveIP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
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posted November 06, 2012 09:58 PM
I am definitely not a master of male behavior but I'd be tempted to say that most of the time when a man says "I need more time" or anything else to dodge the "what are we?" question, he's keeping his options open for something he thinks is better. If a man wants you, especially for a relationship or marriage, he won't hesitate to act on that feeling unless he's the indecisive or unassuming sort.I'd probably move on before I fall too hard. Easier said than done, though. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 06, 2012 09:58 PM
I think I may understand. Its just a theory..
The first few months of a relationship is the "honeymoon" stage... Im usually full on, way into him...
Then it fizzles a bit, then its time to figure out if this "really" is "the one"
During the first few months its impossible (for me) to say yes this is the one.. Even though I like him.. But Im still getting to know him, the good and the bad... Later on I take a step back and see if this is actually what I would want..
I question it to myself (may be my cancer venus.. idk)
Either way Im very slow and cautious to consider a person a LTR... Even if we said we will be exclusive.
Because.. Once Im in, in in for the long hall.. I want to be sure its right for me...
I wouldnt give my all to just anyone.
It also goes with what pancake said about confusion passion with love..
There comes a time when you have to take a step back and figure out what it is.. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 06, 2012 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Omg even more disgusting. Scary lolSo even the really ugly ones think they are fabulous?
That depends. I know an enormous (literally) Leo, and he has Sag moon and Cap rising. You would think he wouldn't judge people's looks because he isn't a looker himself but god forbid you land in his line of fire. Then I know a Leo with a Cap moon and he's super shy, and wouldn't ever judge anyone (super skinny as well, weird how he's the opposite of the first Leo in more ways than one.) I was highly attracted to him but generally? He didn't get hit on a lot. Having said that I am thinking it has something to do with their moons, for Leos specifically. IP: Logged |
ComplexGem
Newflake Posts: 9
From: Concord, CA 94531
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 07, 2012 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
That depends. I know an enormous (literally) Leo, and he has Sag moon and Cap rising. You would think he wouldn't judge people's looks because he isn't a looker himself but god forbid you land in his line of fire. Then I know a Leo with a Cap moon and he's super shy, and wouldn't ever judge anyone (super skinny as well, weird how he's the opposite of the first Leo in more ways than one.) I was highly attracted to him but generally? He didn't get hit on a lot. Having said that I am thinking it has something to do with their moons, for Leos specifically.
Thanks for the feedback to all!! I appreciate it!
^ His Moon is in Cancer!  A little more background for why I am so stubborn/stupid with this man... He just got out of a bad marriage/divorce within 2 years and has young children. The reason I understand why he'd want to keep me at bay is because I did the same thing when I divorced and my girls were young. I didn't bring any guy around them until recently that they became of age. May not entirely justify everything... So I've started to dettach myself from him emotionally and in other ways as well. Thanks again for your insight! Any additional insight is welcome!!  ------------------
Sun 15 D Gemini
Rising 20 D Scorpio
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hannaramaa
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posted November 07, 2012 01:37 AM
I've said it a million times all around Lindaland... I don't like Leo/Cancer combinations for me personally. I find them to be extremely unfair with no introspection, no understanding. I get along better with Leo males when they have earth or air as a moon element.IP: Logged |
LishXO
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From: Canada
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 07, 2012 03:05 AM
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A little more background for why I am so stubborn/stupid with this man... He just got out of a bad marriage/divorce within 2 years and has young children. The reason I understand why he'd want to keep me at bay is because I did the same thing when I divorced and my girls were young. I didn't bring any guy around them until recently that they became of age. May not entirely justify everything... So I've started to dettach myself from him emotionally and in other ways as well. Thanks again for your insight! Any additional insight is welcome!! [/B]
I would tend to do what you're doing when emotionally attached and put myself in his shoes. However, seeing the bigger picture as you are describing it tells all of us the same thing... Let him go. Remember that you are a mother and he is the father and what you did with your children, even though it makes total sense, he is not necessarily doing the same thing... This stood out from the posts above for me : “PS; that Venus in Virgo trait is nasty. I think you should move on because his wandering eye might be always looking for something better.” (I think the Libra Rising is worrisome too…) “Leos will hold someone on a string for the mere attention given when they are not into someone, however they will not judge you for your feelings for them when not returned either... why would they? They "know" they're fabulous. “ I could TOTALLY see a Leo doing that. “Complex...I have leo sun,libra rising, virgp venus, cap mars. Very similar to your guy. Lemme tell you, when I love a girl. I show her off to Everyone, she'll meet friends and family very very early on. I'll adore her, She'll know I love her. “ IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 07, 2012 06:52 AM
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.I have leo sun,libra rising, virgp venus, cap mars. Very similar to your guy. Lemme tell you, when I love a girl. I show her off to Everyone, she'll meet friends and family very very early on. I'll adore her,
That sounds more like the Leos I know! quote:
Leo (Libra rising, Venus in Virgo, Mars in Scorpio).
Someone I was very close to had the exact same placements as your Leo.. and he did not play games.
This is one thing I love about Leos and Scorpio Mars ppl - and especially when you combine the two - They don't normally play games. They are stable and reliable. IP: Logged |
StacyLewis
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posted November 07, 2012 09:08 AM
Leos do love praise. We do. But not to the point that we'd exploit someone's feelings or lead them on to get it. We're too straightforward and blunt for that, we'd just tell them we weren't interested and go get our praise elsewhere.To the OP - honestly he probably is just confused. Believe it or not, even men can get confused about things and need time to think stuff out. The idea that it always automatically means the guy doesn't want you, is stupid because it says that guys aren't capable of feeling the same scope of emotions that women do. Just like sometimes a woman will get confused and need time to think about things and come to a decision; that trait isn't unique to us. And again, Leos, we're pretty straightforward. If he says he likes you but needs time, I'd trust that. IP: Logged |
pancakes22
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posted November 07, 2012 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I've said it a million times all around Lindaland... I don't like Leo/Cancer combinations for me personally. I find them to be extremely unfair with no introspection, no understanding. I get along better with Leo males when they have earth or air as a moon element.
Interesting, Hanna. Can you elaborate on this leo/cancer combination. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 07, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I've said it a million times all around Lindaland... I don't like Leo/Cancer combinations for me personally. I find them to be extremely unfaiI'mr with no introspection, no understanding. I get along better with Leo males when they have earth or air as a moon element.
I'm not really feeing the love here...lol IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted November 07, 2012 01:00 PM
your man said it - he's not certain. so listen to what he says and don't press for more right now. but give him 'the conversation' - tell him you want a label (girlfriend, partner, whatever), and that if he needs some time to take it, but that you won't wait around forever. most leo suns/moons are proud to show off what they have to friends and family so at 6 months if he hasn't introduced you to anyone it might be time to question his level of seriousness. but it has only been 6 months... true love takes much longer to develop than that, imhoIP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 07, 2012 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by pancakes22:
Interesting, Hanna. Can you elaborate on this leo/cancer combination.
Sure, but I want to state I'm speaking of my experience with Leo males only. I've never met a female Leo with Cancer placements ironically enough. I think Leo males in general are unfair and unmerciful when upset. Your flaws become exaggerated to them, they tend to get mad at you out of the blue, and then it's over and whatever you had is over (again everyone please don't bite my head off for my experiences.) I have a hard time understanding what people in favor of Leo males mean when they say they want someone who stands up for themselves or doesn't always give Leos their way. I want examples of how that works. Now you go and add a sign like Cancer, who is an expert at emotional manipulation (they are, but it doesn't mean they always use this ability.) to the already emotionally dramatic Leo's temperament and it's just rather unpleasant to deal with. The Leo/Cancer combination in conversation is always about themselves and their emotions. They basically are unable to see the flaws in their own personality and tend to take anything personally. The self-centeredness of both signs is multiplied by 10. TRUE that aspects and houses play apart in this, not to mention other planets and signs. But I'm just elaborating as requested. IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted November 07, 2012 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I have a hard time understanding what people in favor of Leo males mean when they say they want someone who stands up for themselves or doesn't always give Leos their way. I want examples of how that works.
not sure how great my example(s) will be, but i think when you read that about Leo males (wanting someone who stands up for themselves) - it means they want to be in control, but not in control of a pushover. two examples ... i live alone in my apartment, and when my Leo bf first started to come over he would rearrange my furniture - the bed, carpets, pictures, etc. So, without ever confronting him verbally I would change things back right in front of him. I would just say 'it looks okay your way, but it's going back the way I prefer since I live here.' So, I complimented his new idea, but still did it my own way. Another example... often, before we go out, my Leo bf will look at the accessories I am wearing, like scarf, earrings, whatever and comment 'wouldn't X look better than that?' So, his subtle suggestion is that I change how I look, but I never do. Leo like to be in control - sometimes subtly and sometimes overtly. You just can't let them 'rule' you. They like a woman with backbone, someone who can disagree with them and have opinions, but still respect them. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 07, 2012 09:36 PM
Leo people I know are very warm and caring. They would do anything for you. They are extremely generous with their time - their money - and everything they have.
I feel lucky and blessed to have a Leo mum!I usually love Leo men as well. They make me feel very protected and like they always have my back.
A handful of times in my life - I've been in situations where everything in my career stood in the hands of a Leo VIP - and they skyrocketed me to exactly where I needed to be & wanted to be. Leos have given me the best references and recommendations.
If I could - I'd have a Leo boss, Leo teachers, Leo dates.. Leo everything in my life. The only two exceptions were a girl and a guy who were really insanely emotional and dragged me down. Both of these people had their Moon in Cancer opposite mine. I don't think their Sun was the problem. Generally I find Cancer Mooners difficult - because they seem negative - always looking on the down side.. whereas I'm more optimistic overall. IP: Logged |
ComplexGem
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posted November 07, 2012 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[b] I have a hard time understanding what people in favor of Leo males mean when they say they want someone who stands up for themselves or doesn't always give Leos their way. I want examples of how that works.
not sure how great my example(s) will be, but i think when you read that about Leo males (wanting someone who stands up for themselves) - it means they want to be in control, but not in control of a pushover. two examples ... i live alone in my apartment, and when my Leo bf first started to come over he would rearrange my furniture - the bed, carpets, pictures, etc. So, without ever confronting him verbally I would change things back right in front of him. I would just say 'it looks okay your way, but it's going back the way I prefer since I live here.' So, I complimented his new idea, but still did it my own way. Another example... often, before we go out, my Leo bf will look at the accessories I am wearing, like scarf, earrings, whatever and comment 'wouldn't X look better than that?' So, his subtle suggestion is that I change how I look, but I never do. Leo like to be in control - sometimes subtly and sometimes overtly. You just can't let them 'rule' you. They like a woman with backbone, someone who can disagree with them and have opinions, but still respect them. [/B][/QUOTE] You nailed it StarMoon!! Well said! That is what I like about Leo Men as well. I cannot stand a man who will say everything I want to hear and who wants to know my every move.
I do however, know other Leos that "feel" like a better fit for me, right now. While this Leo decides if he can handle "all this" hehehe (I am actually very awesome and beautiful, I hear - oh my! ...I've been hanging out with this Leo WAY too long!!!! HAHAHA)... so anyway, I AM freeing myself from all that makes me feel commited to this dude!
NEXT!! HEHEHE Thanks again to everyone who contributed. ...And by the way... since I haven't been "adoring" my Leo "friend" lately, now he started complimenting ME!!! and sending sweet messages!!! OMG!! I TOO can play his game now! Bring it Leo! ------------------
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Odette
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posted November 07, 2012 09:46 PM
This stuff about wanting someone who stands up for them and doesn't always let them have their way and what not.
These kinds of things are things that an immature person would consider important.
Regardless of sun-sign - when ppl are very young - or if they are just emotionally immature - at any age... they can put a lot of emphasis on outer behaviour that is pretty insignificant in the end. A MATURE Leo guy - will like you if you have a strong emotional connection. If you have things in common. If he feels loved and respected.. If you are an emotionally expressive and caring person (as he can be - on the positive side of his fiery element). When it comes to - whether or not you stand up to him... I mean of course in any relationship on the face of this planet there will be disagreements. NOONE would want to be with a person who constantly agrees with everything that comes out of their mouth and never argues & never has their own opinion on things - because that's *false*. Most people don't want such a false relationship. But this ^^ really shouldn't be the MAIN thing on a Leo's "list of things I would love in my partner"... if he is a mature Leo. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 07, 2012 09:50 PM
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Leos will hold someone on a string for the mere attention given when they are not into someone, however they will not judge you for your feelings for them when not returned either... why would they? They
"know" they're fabulous.
This is also very stupid, immature behaviour.
I have seen this in Pisces men, in Scorpio men, in Taurus men (and many women of all signs!!)
I'm absolutely positive it's not confined to Leos.
If anything it would show a guy with a weak ego, not a strong one.. Maybe he had squares to his Sun or Mars - or maybe he was just young and stupid & he needs to grow up. IP: Logged |
ComplexGem
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posted November 07, 2012 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
This stuff about wanting someone who stands up for them and doesn't always let them have their way and what not.
These kinds of things are things that an immature person would consider important.
Regardless of sun-sign - when ppl are very young - or if they are just emotionally immature - at any age... they can put a lot of emphasis on outer behaviour that is pretty insignificant in the end. A MATURE Leo guy - will like you if you have a strong emotional connection. If you have things in common. If he feels loved and respected.. If you are an emotionally expressive and caring person (as he can be - on the positive side of his fiery element). When it comes to - whether or not you stand up to him... I mean of course in any relationship on the face of this planet there will be disagreements. NOONE would want to be with a person who constantly agrees with everything that comes out of their mouth and never argues & never has their own opinion on things - because that's *false*. Most people don't want such a false relationship. But this ^^ really shouldn't be the MAIN thing on a Leo's "list of things I would love in my partner"... if he is a mature Leo.
Hi Odette,
I agree with you as well. While standing on your own two feet and having an opinion is important, it is not THE most important aspect of a man's charachter. However, I have been with a Taurus (oddly enough) who was loving, caring, great listener, great conversationalist. But he drove me bananas wanting to be with me 24/7 and being agreeable ALL the time! ...His friends spoke well of him and used to tell me how wonderful a person he was... not for me! I wish I could have learned to be with him. But he would annoy me and bore me! I guess that's the Gemini Sun speaking. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted November 07, 2012 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
This stuff about wanting someone who stands up for them and doesn't always let them have their way and what not.
These kinds of things are things that an immature person would consider important.
Regardless of sun-sign - when ppl are very young - or if they are just emotionally immature - at any age... they can put a lot of emphasis on outer behaviour that is pretty insignificant in the end.
A MATURE Leo guy - will like you if you have a strong emotional connection. If you have things in common. If he feels loved and respected.. If you are an emotionally expressive and caring person (as he can be - on the positive side of his fiery element).
When it comes to - whether or not you stand up to him... I mean of course in any relationship on the face of this planet there will be disagreements. NOONE would want to be with a person who constantly agrees with everything that comes out of their mouth and never argues & never has their own opinion on things - because that's *false*. Most people don't want such a false relationship. But this ^^ really shouldn't be the MAIN thing on a Leo's "list of things I would love in my partner"... if he is a mature Leo.
Well said Odette! I haven't had any experience with a mature Leo guy IP: Logged |
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