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stargazer21
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posted November 11, 2012 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stargazer21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this placement and I read on astro.com that this can lead to people not being able to tell reality from dreams/fantasy which can be the same as lying. I never thought I had this problem before but I have been accused of being a liar several times in my life before (although I consider my self to be a VERY truthful person) and this may be the reason why. I also have a foggy memory and I was wondering if this can be attributed to that. How can I get over this position?

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Mandy pie
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posted November 12, 2012 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mandy pie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe it's possible to "get over" traits in one's birth chart. All you can do is try to use it to your advantage or work with it in some way. ie: You can't "fix" shortness and make yourself tall, but you can use what you got and wear a pair of rockin' heels.

If you feel this aspect makes you prone to lying then I would say to you join a creative writing class or group that will allow you to write and communicate lots of fiction. That way this aspect gets to express itself in your life in a positive way, which should decrease the need for the aspect to express itself in your relationships.

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stargazer21
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posted November 20, 2012 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stargazer21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you for replying. i don;t think i'm a liar but other people do.

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7thGuardian
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posted November 20, 2012 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't put it like that (not being able to tell reality from dreams/fantasy) - more like having a distorted perspective on reality... with Mercury trine Neptune - your mind can tap in to fantasies, you can really work well with your imagination - wile being fully aware of that (even a escape if you will)... having this two in opposition - Mercury (the way you think, the way you communicate) and Neptune (your connection to subconscious, to imagination.. but even delusions) can affect your perspectives on certain situations - some people can act in a certain way and your imagination can work against you in such situation - giving you a distorted perspective which might be far from reality... can make you suspicious about certain people - even tho there is no reason for that, but in same time you could be naive when it comes to others...

- sharing what you think about those people with others - it's indeed like lying - even tho from your point of view it's what you take as truth... so be careful, cause this can get you in to trouble - like spreading false rumors without realizing...

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posted November 20, 2012 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the poster above.
It doesn't *have* to mean lies. More like a distorted vision of things. Crazy imagination, weird "intuition" that makes you wary of people or on the contrary - naive and irrealistic about situations/people.

Although people with Mercury/Neptune usually lie easily. I've seen it more than once. I think they have to make a conscious effort to be honest otherwise they can even lie to themselves.

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posted November 20, 2012 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell me about it, I Knew a guy with Mercury Opposite Neptune and he is the most craziest person I ever met.

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Got Gemini??
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posted November 20, 2012 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dunno. I have Merc in Gemini opp Neptune in Sag by 9° and most people who know me would describe me as very honest. As bad as it sounds, yes, I can lie out of necessity to save my skin but I know I'm doing it and I try to avoid doing it all costs.

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a_may_gemini
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posted November 20, 2012 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for a_may_gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Merc opp Neptune is more apt to lying, not on purpose anyway, and not to "save their skin." Conscious lying is NOT something that has to do with Neptune. Got Gemini, if you lie to save yourself, it's not because of Merc opp Nept.

This aspect gives the native a more vivid imagination and prone to some "storytelling" abilities, which may or may not be completely/factually "true," but not a conscious liar.

I know this, I have a very tight Gemini Merc- Sag Nept opposition and everyone counts on me to tell stories. I'm pretty darn honest, and I feel guilty if I ever tell lies, which I avoid like the plague. But I don't lie to save myself. If I have to lie, it's really to save others. That's the beauty of Neptune- rescuing others, at the expense of one's self.

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posted November 20, 2012 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol I still tend to not trust that opposition... ever since that one experience

if u have that run far away from me please

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a_may_gemini
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posted November 20, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a_may_gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One single aspect does not lend itself to over-influencing a person. That one guy you mentioned, he probably has a bunch of other aspects that gave way to being an unstable person. Who knows, he may think you're crazy and wants to run away from you.

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Sorcha
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posted November 20, 2012 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect and I agree that it doesn't make you a liar. All aspects have within them the capacity for light or dark energy. This opposition can definitely help to create a vivid imagination but it's what you do with that imagination that's important.

In my case, I have found it manifesting in a whole bunch of different ways. Mercury in Gemini is in my first house and loosely conjunct my Gem ASC so it's my chart ruler. That puts Neptune in Sag in my 7th house and I think that placement on it's own is more problematic for me than the opposition to Mercury. I can be way too much of an idealist in relationships so that Mercury in Gemini helps me, if anything, to bring some air (and thought) to an emotional and passionate Neptune.

I also think that it can manifest as being very in tune with what is going with other people - being very perceptive and being able to read people really well. It can mean being a great story teller. It can be representative of escapism when reality feels like it's too much. Basically, it isn't always an external manifestation that shows up as lying.

I have also experienced it as someone seeing one of my layers and interpreting that as 'me' when there are many other things that make me who I am. So it can be kind of a chameleon aspect as well but it only becomes problematic if you are complicit in showing that one image of yourself to another person and selling it as who you are. Does that make sense? LOL It also shows up sometimes for me as trying to explain something and not being able to do it - kind of like right now! I am trying to put something conceptual in to words and am finding it hard because I feel very floaty and foggy. Hopefully this post makes sense

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a_may_gemini
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posted November 20, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a_may_gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhh another Gemini-Sag Merc opp Nept person! Quite right and thanks for chiming in, Sorcha! The point is, the position of where your planets are actually matter in that it can either mitigate damage or agitate further.

In my case, I have Gemini Mercury in 9th opposing Sag Neptune in the 3rd. What's problematic isn't so much the aspect, it's having Neptune in the 3rd house. Neptune likes to create a smokescreen/veil over things and having it in the 3rd house, the house of the "lower" mind, which isn't great for mundane life. I am very forgetful about regular stuff in everyday life. I'm one of those people who lose their keys even though I thought I place it in the same spot every time, or I think I left my glasses on my desk and can't seem to find it until I go into the bathroom and find it in the sink. LOL I misplace objects all the time and I'm quite forgetful of the small stuff. I'm always late to everything and my concept of time isn't quite so etched in stone. Yet, when it comes to big important stuff, my 9th house Gemini Mercury pulls all the stops!

Neptune in the 3rd isn't really supposed to be all that kind on logic and facts. Yet, for me, I am logical and factual but because there's no denying that Neptune is quite prominent in my 3rd, I also have a very vivid imagination, very intuitive, and quite colorful/expressive in how I communicate. People tend to enjoy reading what I write and they don't even care if it's true or not. They like my storytelling abilities and look forward to reading new things I put out.

But you see, that's why I'm a writer and I work in advertising. I use to sell "lies" to people when I was younger, in my teens, even as early as 4 or 5 years old, when I wanted to persuade anyone of anything. I often created a feeling and pawned it off on others making them think they felt that way to begin with and they would feel what it was that I wanted them to feel. At the time, I was unconscious that I was able to do that so fluidly. Now that I'm older, I've passed my 1st Saturn's return, I've learned things, my abilities to "paint" a story and sell it to others becomes an asset, and not so much of a liability. I'm not just selling a story, I'm selling emotions and I know how to make it hit others in the most poignant, yet constructive way.

Some might say that I'm scammy in that respect, and quite possibly I am, but so what? MUAHAHAHAHA!

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Sorcha
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posted November 20, 2012 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sorcha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
Ohhh another Gemini-Sag Merc opp Nept person! Quite right and thanks for chiming in, Sorcha! The point is, the position of where your planets are actually matter in that it can either mitigate damage or agitate further.

In my case, I have Gemini Mercury in 9th opposing Sag Neptune in the 3rd. What's problematic isn't so much the aspect, it's having Neptune in the 3rd house. Neptune likes to create a smokescreen/veil over things and having it in the 3rd house, the house of the "lower" mind, which isn't great for mundane life. I am very forgetful about regular stuff in everyday life. I'm one of those people who lose their keys even though I thought I place it in the same spot every time, or I think I left my glasses on my desk and can't seem to find it until I go into the bathroom and find it in the sink. LOL I misplace objects all the time and I'm quite forgetful of the small stuff. I'm always late to everything and my concept of time isn't quite so etched in stone. Yet, when it comes to big important stuff, my 9th house Gemini Mercury pulls all the stops!

Neptune in the 3rd isn't really supposed to be all that kind on logic and facts. Yet, for me, I am logical and factual but because there's no denying that Neptune is quite prominent in my 3rd, I also have a very vivid imagination, very intuitive, and quite colorful/expressive in how I communicate. People tend to enjoy reading what I write and they don't even care if it's true or not. They like my storytelling abilities and look forward to reading new things I put out.

But you see, that's why I'm a writer and I work in advertising. I use to sell "lies" to people when I was younger, in my teens, even as early as 4 or 5 years old, when I wanted to persuade anyone of anything. I often created a feeling and pawned it off on others making them think they felt that way to begin with and they would feel what it was that I wanted them to feel. At the time, I was unconscious that I was able to do that so fluidly. Now that I'm older, I've passed my 1st Saturn's return, I've learned things, my abilities to "paint" a story and sell it to others becomes an asset, and not so much of a liability. I'm not just selling a story, I'm selling emotions and I know how to make it hit others in the most poignant, yet constructive way.

Some might say that I'm scammy in that respect, and quite possibly I am, but so what? MUAHAHAHAHA!


It's funny you mention advertising. I have an ex-bf who has the same job as you and he has Mercury conjunct Neptune in Sag in the 9th. Same same, different different

To be honest, I am very foggy and forgetful at times and lose things all the time. Maybe that's an aspect thing as opposed to a house thing? On the other hand, when I'm sharp, I'm super sharp so it must depend on transits to some extent for me. Right now Neptune is squaring my ASC so I'm extra fuzzy about life in general and need to write lists to remind me of other lists. Sigh.

Maybe I can relate because the ruler of my third house is Cancer and I have Moon in the 12th quincunx Neptune. In any case, the manifestations based on house position are certainly valid - it's good that you found a way to use your abilities for good

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posted November 20, 2012 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for a_may_gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
It's funny you mention advertising. I have an ex-bf who has the same job as you and he has Mercury conjunct Neptune in Sag in the 9th. Same same, different different

To be honest, I am very foggy and forgetful at times and lose things all the time. Maybe that's an aspect thing as opposed to a house thing? On the other hand, when I'm sharp, I'm super sharp so it must depend on transits to some extent for me. Right now Neptune is squaring my ASC so I'm extra fuzzy about life in general and need to write lists to remind me of other lists. Sigh.

Maybe I can relate because the ruler of my third house is Cancer and I have Moon in the 12th quincunx Neptune. In any case, the manifestations based on house position are certainly valid - it's good that you found a way to use your abilities for good


hahahaha I would probably like your ex! He seems like he could spin a lot of good stories.

The fogginess thing, maybe you're right about it being a symptom of plainly having a Mercury-Neptune aspect. I would go one step further and add that depending on the signs, it's how you put that "fogginess" to work.

I mean, we both have Gemini Mercury which is in domicile. That's a very strong Mercury so we probably can use the Neptunian energy for something very Gemini such as journalism, advertising, media, etc. But let's say a person has detriment Mercury such as your ex with Sag Merc, he might use that big of fogginess for something Saggy, like teaching philosophy, writing traveling books, or writing entertaining fiction.

Now that I think about it, when I was a grad student and I taught class, I taught about communication (so very Gemini, isn't it?). I ran my class a bit different than my colleagues who seemed to have been more by the book and I was more into practical application. Granted, I forced my students to write more and read less from the book, but taught them to rely more on experience and be more aware of the messages they send out to the world. But isn't that just a silly symptom of having Gemini Mercury in the 9th? Heh.

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posted November 28, 2012 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stargazer21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for replying guys! This has really been effecting me. Ever since I was 14 my friends have been calling me a liar but the thing is I'M A VERY HONEST PERSON. If you ask me if I like your dress or not, I'LL TELL YOU NO IF I DON'T lol

Maybe I'm not always conscious of when I'm lying? Idk I have my Mercury in Cancer and my Neptune in Capricorn and it's freaking annoying because it's been causing me my credibility and it's just arggggg so frustrating because I'm not a liar!!! I'm not really sure what to do about this placement :/ I never really had a problem with this until I turned 14.

I also have a foggy memory, am very forgetful and I change my opinions frequently. Would that have something to do with it? :/

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posted November 30, 2012 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by stargazer21:
I have this placement and I read on astro.com that this can lead to people not being able to tell reality from dreams/fantasy which can be the same as lying. I never thought I had this problem before but I have been accused of being a liar several times in my life before (although I consider my self to be a VERY truthful person) and this may be the reason why. I also have a foggy memory and I was wondering if this can be attributed to that. How can I get over this position?

With Neptune opposing a planet it means you don't realize what it is that you are doing. It's like, you are not aware. It's subconscious. You lie and you are honestly not aware of it. Muddled thinking can be attributed to this opposition. It helps if you have harmonious aspects to either planet from other planets, sun or moon. This will give you the opportunity to work on the opposition by becoming aware (with Neptune because Neptune involves not being consciously aware) by looking at the nature of the planet/sun/moon making the harmonious aspect to Mercury/Neptune, the sign the planets occupy and what their houses rule. This gives you insight into how can resolve the issues. What helps to alleviate the chaos the opposition causes. I have a Neptune opposition as well, almost exact. It does bring confusion in life.

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stargazer21
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posted December 04, 2012 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stargazer21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
With Neptune opposing a planet it means you don't realize what it is that you are doing. It's like, you are not aware. It's subconscious. You lie and you are honestly not aware of it. Muddled thinking can be attributed to this opposition. It helps if you have harmonious aspects to either planet from other planets, sun or moon. This will give you the opportunity to work on the opposition by becoming aware (with Neptune because Neptune involves not being consciously aware) by looking at the nature of the planet/sun/moon making the harmonious aspect to Mercury/Neptune, the sign the planets occupy and what their houses rule. This gives you insight into how can resolve the issues. What helps to alleviate the chaos the opposition causes. I have a Neptune opposition as well, almost exact. It does bring confusion in life.

Thank you for your response but I'm not really sure I understand :x Would you be able to give me an example? I have some positive aspects for both planets. How can I get a grip on this?

Sometimes my friends will say I've said something and I'll give them a bizarre expression like "i said that?!?! when?!?!"

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