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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2013 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think about this in terms of the chart. Anything goes. I want to hear your opinions. Be crazy

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posted November 02, 2013 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto, BML, and Lilith/Priapus aspects

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posted November 02, 2013 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I first would like to know what everyone understands as "crazy love".

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posted November 02, 2013 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The classic composite Venus/Uranus hard aspects like conjunction or square, or with Sun involved in Venus/Uranus midpoint. Crazy whirlwind of passion, thought too unstable to be "contained" in the routines of a committed relationship.

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posted November 02, 2013 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I first would like to know what everyone understands as "crazy love".


I see it as a very passionate, obsessive kind of love in which the two people go nuts just thinking about eachother 24/7, and its excruciatingly painful for them to not see or interract with one another in someway...
Its as though the energy/thought/sight/touch/feel of the other person feeds your soul somehow... It feels very soothing, like coming home for rejuvination & nourishment ~ literally.

THAT kind of crazy love lol.

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posted November 02, 2013 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I first would like to know what everyone understands as "crazy love".

I left it loose so I could get everyone's ideas. Please describe the aspects you put up, if you can! How does it feel? Help me get behind the eyes of it, if you can

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posted November 02, 2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Lavender

That is one kind of crazy love. Does that burn itself out, do you think?

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posted November 02, 2013 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
The classic composite Venus/Uranus hard aspects like conjunction or square, or with Sun involved in Venus/Uranus midpoint. Crazy whirlwind of passion, thought too unstable to be "contained" in the routines of a committed relationship.

I love those types of relationships, but my venus in aqua moon trine uranus can handle it well.

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posted November 03, 2013 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, Lavender

That is one kind of crazy love. Does that burn itself out, do you think?


No, not always.
I'd say it depends on the rest of the synastry (and the type of connection the two people share).

If its just passion and obsession with no deeper soul link or an emotional/intellectual connection, then it will most likely fizzle out.

However if there is a connection present on DEEPER and MULTIPLE levels, then I believe it strengthens and solidifies their "grand passion" overtime. (Again though, there are exceptions to the rule; the rest of the synastry needs to be assessed.)

I personally know a few couples who have this kind of thing, its pretty incredible!

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posted November 03, 2013 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point about the natal, Nep Sag. How would you explain how that Moon trine Uranus feels, in general. Thanks!

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posted November 03, 2013 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lavender! xx

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posted November 03, 2013 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on which crazy love your talking about...

this type- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDidc88Cbao

or
this type- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_U

IMO-
1st type-Valentine conjunct Valentine trine Saturn and maybe Juno/Moon or Venus
2nt type-Dejanira square Nessus square Saturn....conjunct Pluto


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posted November 03, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lust in the 7th conjunct his Uranus and opposite (0.14) his Lust has its moments.

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posted November 03, 2013 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Lust in the 7th conjunct his Uranus and opposite (0.14) his Lust has its moments.

Wow lol

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posted November 03, 2013 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow lol


I'm not quite sure what it means, but I just noticed that Lust and Karma were conjunct (0.08) on what I call our Second Meeting date (we first met 20+ years ago and didn't much notice each other then). They were conjunct my Venus (1.74) and Mercury (exact to the minute for Karma); trine his Sun (0.37) and quincunx his Venus (0.10).

I didn't know what hit me.

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posted November 04, 2013 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DialecticLady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

I see it as a very passionate, obsessive kind of love in which the two people go nuts just thinking about eachother 24/7, and its excruciatingly painful for them to not see or interract with one another in someway...
Its as though the energy/thought/sight/touch/feel of the other person feeds your soul somehow... It feels very soothing, like coming home for rejuvination & nourishment ~ literally.

THAT kind of crazy love lol. [/B]


perfect definition!! Crazy love aspects I think could be with outer planets, something "out of our control" like Pluto, Uranus and Neptune. Today I was reading about the magi's declination aspects like between chiron, venus, pluto and mars and at first glance I liked, maybe can be true, who knows? I was looking Ian Curtis' chart (Joy Division's vocalist) and Annik's and didn't found nothing special, but when I checked the declinations I could see the link between them and I think they felt a crazy love for each other.

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posted November 05, 2013 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrologically, I think the first major factor needed for 'Crazy Love' (which I'm assuming means you feel as if you've fallen head over heels for someone), is 'house related' links between two natal charts that indicate the potential for a love relationship.

The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses show the types of experiences we like to have in relationships, and the types of personality/energy/style/vibe we are attracted to in others in different areas of a relationship.

From an astrological perspective, the 5th house is the ROMANCE/COURTSHIP period of the relationship, where we fall in love, and observe how special and unique the other person is.

The 7th house is the MARRIAGE/COMMITMENT period of the relationship, where we relate as individuals, exchange appreciation, and make agreements…

And the 8th house is the CONSUMATION/MERGING OF RESCOURCES period of the relationship, where after the being ‘united as one‘ officially, we become interdependent on each other through the sharing of ourselves and our stuff.

In terms of synastry... I think mutual overlays, and house ruler, synastry to 5th, 7th, and 8th houses generates MAJOR chemistry. And when I say mutual, I mean that it's best if this synastry scenario goes both ways, with each partner touching the other's chart in such a way. If it's not mutual this could potentially lead to an unrequited love type situation.

If one of the partners doesn't touch these houses in the other's chart directly, something called secondary houses can come into play…

For example a Taurus Dsc could check to see if their partner puts placements in their natal 2nd house. The 2nd house would be a 'love' house for someone with a Taurus Dsc because they're attracted to both Taurus and/or 2nd house energy in their relationships. The 2nd house would be the secondary 7th house for a person with a Taurus Dsc. If a person had Gemini on the 7th house, they'd look to see if the partner put placements in their 3rd house. In this case, the 3rd house would be the secondary 7th house for someone with a Gemini Dsc.

Secondary houses go on like this through the zodiac, and you can use them for each of the 5th (Romance/Courtship), 7th (Affection/Marriage), or 8th houses (Intimacy/Private bond)... The three 'love' houses.

To determine Secondary houses...

Aries House Cusp… Look to the 1st House.

Taurus House Cusp… Look to the 2nd House.

Gemini House Cusp… Look to the 3rd House

Cancer House Cusp… Look to the 4th House

Leo House Cusp… Look to the 5th House

Virgo House Cusp… Look to the 6th House

Libra House Cusp… Look to the 7th House

Scorpio House Cusp… Look to the 8th House

Sagittarius House Cusp … Look to the 9th House

Capricorn House Cusp … Look to the 10th House

Aquarius House Cusp… Look to the 11th House

Pisces House Cusp… Look to the 12th House

I’ve noticed a similar type of ’secondary’ effect with Venus and Mars.

Astrologically, Mars represents the dashing young suitor, and Venus represents the beautiful young women. Our images of attractive gender appropriate behavior are shown by our Mars and Venus positions, and the house associated with the signs of our Mars or Venus.

Here’s what I mean…

For women, if a she has Mars in Gemini, she can check her 3rd house for extra details about what she likes on men, and synastry to her 3rd house will be attractive to her. For men, if he has Venus in Aquarius, the 11th house will show extra details about what he likes on women, and 11th house synastry will be attractive to him.

Here’s a link to a thread on the Venus/Mars thing.

Masculine/Feminine Ideals…. Secondary and primary…more detail http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211116.html

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posted November 05, 2013 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Apart from ‘love’ house synastry, symbolism matches to our ‘love’ houses can also show an attraction to someone's personality type. A symbolism match is when someone's natal chart matches the symbolism of one of your 'love' houses.

For example, if you have Jupiter in the 7th house and your partner has Jupiter conjunct the Sun, or lots of Sagittarius planets. This is a symbolism match!

Another example, if you have Leo on the 5th house cusp ruled by Sun in Capricorn and your partner is a Leo with a Capricorn Asc. This is also a symbolism match!

Yet another example, if you have Scorpio ruled by Pluto in Libra on the 8th house cusp, and your partner has Venus in Libra conjunct Pluto in Libra, plus Moon in Scorpio. This is once again a symbolism match!

If you role all of these symbolism matches into one person, you get a Leo with Sun conjunct Jupiter, Capricorn rising, Moon in Scorpio, and Venus in Libra conjunct Pluto. And if you had Scorpio on the 8th house, then your 7th house would likely be Libra and the Venus/Pluto conjunction previously mentioned would fall into your 7th house.

The above scenario is typical of what I refer to as a symbolism match attraction pattern. It's very common to be attracted to a person who possesses qualities from each one of our 'love' houses all mixed together.

‘Symbolism matches’, and ‘house overlays’, and ‘house ruler synastry’ are not all exactly the same things. To have a symbolism match a person doesn't have to actually put placements in the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses, or aspect the rulers of these houses. For instance, if you had Jupiter in the 7th house like in the example above, the partner could have this Jupiter/Sun conjunction in any sign of the zodiac, not necessarily actually in one of the ‘love’ houses, or aspecting the rulers of these houses.

Examining the symbolism of our ’love houses’ tell us about what our taste is. And people whose charts resemble these houses will likely appeal to us in terms of style, personality, and the overall ’vibe’ that they give off.

When examining the symbolism of a ‘love’ house we look at the sign on the cusp, and the sign, house, and aspects of the cusp ruler, and any planets in that house (please note: if a large amount of the next sign along falls into a ’love’ house we take this into consideration as well, but the cusp ruler is always the dominant ruler for that house). These are the key components for determining our taste for each of the ‘love’ houses.

With regard to synastry planets actually in the ‘love‘ houses, this is where symbolism matches and house overlays become one and the same. The same is true with synastry conjunctions to the rulers of the ‘love’ houses too… Here a symbolism match and a house ruler aspect would become one and the same. The conjuncting planet would be in the same sign as the ‘love’ house ruler. If a person has a Cancer Dsc, and the Moon in in Virgo, and a planet in Virgo conjuncts the Moon in synastry, this would be both a ‘symbolism match’ and a ‘house ruler aspect’. Configurations like this where symbolism matches, house overlays, and house ruler synastry, overlap each other are particularly potent for attraction.

Another example of this type of overlap is when a synastry planet sits in one of our ‘love’ houses and aspects another ‘love’ house ruler, or even just other important parts of our chart. In my case, I’ve got Aries on the 5th house cusp and mercury in Sagittarius ruling my Gemini Dsc. When somebody puts an Aries planet in my 5th house trineing my Sag Mercury it really attracts me. This configuration is a mixture of both a symbolism match and house ruler synastry.

Also, If a synastry planet sits in one of our ‘love’ houses and doesn’t aspect our chart in important ways, we might not even notice that person, or may only be vaguely aware of them. This is because aspects show where we exchange energy with others, and if there’s no energy exchange there are no feelings. A synastry planet in a ‘love’ house but not aspecting anything in our chart is not necessarily anything special. If the person’s energy doesn’t touch us in some way we won’t ‘vibe’ each other. So yeah, it’s not enough just to have 5th, 7th, and 8th house overlays. Aspects involving the overlaying planets need to be present for an attraction to fully develop. Aspects to our personal planets or 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers, from these planets will be extremely potent for attraction… They definitely contribute to that ‘Crazy Love’ feeling.

Symbolism matches, and ‘love’ house overlays, show if someone is our type in terms of personality and style.

Synastry involving the ‘love’ house rulers, and our partner’s placements aspecting our chart from our ‘love’ houses, show how we have CHEMISTRY, or ROMANTIC SPARKS with another.

An overlay by itself is nothing to write home about (there might be a vague style match to what we like at best). Someone having the right personality type for us is good but we also need to FEEL that other person, and this happens through planetary interaspects. We need aspects to be there for fireworks to happen! This is why house ruler synastry, and planets in our ‘love’ houses aspecting our chart are such strong indicators of attraction. When these two things happen to coincide with symbolism matches (this always happens when synastry planets aspect from our ‘love’ houses) the effect is enhanced even more. Then we have both a match to the type of style/personality we like, as well as chemistry, and a real connection with the other person.

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posted November 05, 2013 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

‘House related’ links are the first factor major factor in ‘Crazy Love’ synastry.

The second major factor is simply having good overall synastry with some. For romantic relationships this includes at least one strong physical attraction aspect in synastry.

PLANETARY COMBINATIONS INDICATING PHYSICAL ATTRACTION.

Sun/Moon, Sun/Venus, Sun/Mars, Sun/Pluto, Moon/Venus, Moon/Mars, Moon/Pluto, Venus/Asc, Venus/Venus, Venus/Mars, Venus/Uranus, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Asc, Mars/Mars, Mars/Uranus, Mars/Pluto...

Different planetary combinations seem to work better for different people depending on their natal charts, and the rest of the synastry with the partner. I've noticed most people do have their personal favorites based on their experiences. All of the above aspects do work, it's just a matter of preference.

It’s been my theory for quite some time that house related synastry is what sets-off or activates the traditional physical attraction aspects.

After all, we’re not always attracted to people we have physical attraction aspects with. It’s entirely possible to have such aspects with our friend or a co-worker and not dig them in THAT way. In these cases, the aspect simply functions in it’s platonic form. Venus/Mars in synastry can simply mean that one person’s diplomacy balances the other person’s assertiveness, and that the two people may like to discuss issues surrounding relationships and such.

What creates the difference between the platonic expression of a traditional physical attraction aspect, and romantic expression of it, is how the other person touches our ‘love’ houses.

I've noticed over time that ‘love’ house related synastry seems to 'activate' any physical attraction aspects that exist in your synastry with somebody. Like it flicks the switch in our psyche that distinguishes between a platonic relationship and a potential lover. The stronger and more intense such 5th/7th/8th house related synastry is, the more intense and complete the attraction to that person will be.

If, for example, you have Moon trine Mars with somebody, and they also had their Sun in your 5th house, their Venus sextiling your 7th house ruler, and their Moon in you 8th house trining your 7th house ruler… This house related synastry would likely flick the Moon/Mars aspect ‘on’ in a romantic/sexual way. If such house related synastry involving the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses is missing, the Moon/Mars aspect would likely stay platonic, and you may like that person’s energy in a friendly way, but not find them particularly attractive.

My basic formula is ‘traditional physical attraction’ synastry + ‘5th, 7th, and 8th house dynasty’ = Big Attraction.

I did a whole thread on this a while ago.

Here’s the link.

SYNASTRY OF ATTRACTION: WHY IT DOES OR DOESN’T WORK http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216505.html

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posted November 05, 2013 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 3rd major factor in ‘Crazy Love’ type attractions would be something I saw in a thread by Ceri lately… About conjunctions to the Angles, Nodal Axis, Vertex Axis, or Lilith and Priapus in synastry (with Lilith and Priapus being rather tentative possibilities at his point, she points out that they need to be studied more and I think this is true. The topic is interesting though).

House related synastry involving the ‘love’ houses can show romantic chemistry and if someone is our ‘type’. I believe this also actives physical attraction aspects.

Overall interplanetary synastry shows the state of our compatibility, and the energy dynamic existing between us and a partner…

Angle (Asc/Dsc, Mc/Ic), Vertex/Antivertex, North Node/South Node, and supposedly BML and Priapus (natural, mean, or oscillating, take your pick) conjunctions add something extra of significance and gravity to a relationship. These people are very important in shaping your world. The connection here is that they’re anchored in he reality of your life somehow and have had a major impact on this area of life… These type of connections are not just about fluffy romance and having good compatibility… They’re somehow deeper and more important then superficials like these. These people change and develop your whole life in new and interesting ways when you connect with them.

Ceri remarked in her thread that they just about ALWAYS seem to be present in love relationship synastry in one form or another. I think there’s something to be said for people hitting an important Axis in your chart and them being a ’real’ part of your life. Certain synastry can show if the potential for attraction is there, but will it actually all come together for the two people involved in reality? And will the two people feel the foundations of there lives moving as a result of this?

I think Angle/Node/Vertex and maybe Lilith and Priapus conjunctions may be a serious clue as to whether or not a relationship will actually have a significant effect on us, and if it will be a ’real’ part of our lives.

Asc/Dsc is said to be the Axis of ’Independence/Image Vs Relationship/Compromise’

Mc/Ic is said to be the Axis of ‘Refuge/Roots Vs the World at Large/Reputation’

The Nodal Axis is said to be the Axis of ‘Past/Old Habits/Familiarity/Innate Talent Vs Future/Growth/New Developments/Learning New Skills’

The Vertex Axis is said to be the Axis of ‘Fatedness, Profound Life Turning Points, and Kooky Synchronicity‘ (both ends when aspected indicate this)

Lilith and Priapus are still under study but here’s Ceri’s thread if you’re interested.

synastries with(out) conjunctions to angles and nodal axis http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/222955.html

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posted November 05, 2013 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Lotis!

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