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IndigoDirae
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posted November 08, 2013 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm toying with these points a lot lately, and have been going through my own transformations in the process.

I like things in orderly categories, and that's just not quite happening; so I find I have several questions.

1. Is BML / Priapus an axis? While that would make sense, I'm getting some bizarrely 'off-seeming' calculations for Priapus in relation to BML. For example: both True and Mean BML in Aries, with Priapus in Scorpio. Doesn't that seem odd? (Conversely, True BML in Scorpio, Mean BML in Libra, and Priapus in Aries.) Maybe it's just my Libran love of symmetry, but I was quite happy thinking that BML and Priapus are an axis.

2. Do BML and Priapus function differently across genders? Specifically, does BML operate differently in a man's chart than a woman's? A woman's Priapus versus a man's?

3. I'm liking the notion that BML might be The Anima (across the board) and Priapus, The Animus. If that would be the case, then:

* Synastrically, would we prefer a man's BML with a woman's Priapus in shadow-work? That would, theoretically, show a joining of the man's anima and the woman's animus - it would appear to be a form of completion and complementariness.

* If a man has greater issues with his animus, would it then be more beneficial that his Priapus contact a woman's BML? Does this create a greater male / female polarity - or would that be the 'shadow complements' ?

Thoughts?

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posted November 08, 2013 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
1. Is BML / Priapus an axis? While that would make sense, I'm getting some bizarrely 'off-seeming' calculations for Priapus in relation to BML.

Sort of.

Problem is that there are different calculation methods of Lilith and Priapus.

astro.com has natural Lilith and natural Priapus for example.
It does NOT have true Priapus, which is exactly opposite (within one degree or so) true BML.


Natural Lilith and natural Priapus are not necessarily opposite each other (could be in quinkunx signes, too), which has to do with the elliptical course of the Moon, and the fact that it revolves around two centres of gravity apparently.

I don`t think Lilith/ Priapus are exactly gender-oriented, or as a matter of fact, I was thinking that Iilith is almost like some sort of YANG anima, and Priapus y Yin animus.

While Lilith maybe IS feminine, she is deeply indpendent, while Priapus, despite being male, urge to merge seems to be so great,t hat he can easily become dependent on his object of affection.

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posted November 08, 2013 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's the difference between these two pairings when it comes to interpretation?

Is the natural Lilith is even worth bothering?
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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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IndigoDirae
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posted November 08, 2013 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You jumped in, Ceri, before I could call for you.

My thoughts exactly, actually. This is why it's confusing. However!

I've had - not one, not two - but THREE! - synchronicitous events today relating specifically to the Jungian shadow. So THAT's gotta be a part of it. Even I can't discount three in a day!

But WHICH?

And which is the most viable Priapus?

Now, I will say I've found my mean (what I call 'drop down Lilith as it's in the Astrodienst drop down menu) to be frighteningly spot on.

And ... if I'm going to be honest with myself - brutally - I'd have to say their available Priapus - h22 - is as well.

But is that the whole story?

I was intrigued by your delineated differences of the three different calculated points. I can't recall it quite, but I think one was more 'raw and uncivilised' than the other. I think that's true - except what does that make Mean BML and Priapus? Wild, but manageable energies?

They still feel very Jungian shadow-oriented to me. But how exactly, I can't say.

What do you think is going on, for example, with a woman's Priapus and a man's BML in such terms? Is the woman expressing her animus? The man his anima?

Logic would dictate that the Black Moon is the darker and more raw feminine sexuality, while Priapus is the equally unbridled, wilder male sexuality.

But then how does that work? How would a man express his feminine sexuality? Would he? Or would he seek it? How would a woman express her masculine sexuality? Would she simply seek it outside of herself? That would seem contradictory to Jung's principle - which I feel is intimately tied here ... somewhere.

I can certainly say that, in my experience, it seemed that he was harnessing his Black Moon quite eagerly - after a point. There was nothing feminine about it! It was forcefully dominant, a bit demanding, and absolutely instinctive. No thinking needed - nor attempted!

Conversely, what I felt was an all feminine vibe. Liberated? Definitely. But very yielding, (which is VERY unusual for me!) and just as unrestrained and powerfully 'raw'. I just let him take point, but I was in no way passive. An active participant fully engaged in this incredibly instinctual, psychologically, emotionally, and physically intense experience we were co-creating by the second - with zero calculation, planning, or even review. It was just ... HAPPENING.

I'll admit, it took us both a good almost 2 weeks of REALLY grokking the experience. We were both very, ' ... did that ... happen?' We both KNOW it did; but it was like ... being possessed! Crossing over from the familiar and civilised into the oh-so-very carnal, animalistic. All politeness and propriety (our typical ways of being) right defenestrated.

So, I'm very confused just how it all works. My True BML is in Scorpio along with his, I think, Mean, Priapus - as I've only seen h22 calculated.

But this felt distinctly Aries. And that would jive with the exact conjunction of his Mean BML and my h22 Priapus.

Helps that it's on his Moon, and opposite his Mars, conjunct my Sun-Pluto (and Mean BML).

I'm sure that 'helped'.

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