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posted January 03, 2014 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys
If you have hard aspects from neptune to your personal planets, or in whatever house your neptune is placed, have you ever found a way to stop being deluded?

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posted January 03, 2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my Moon with Neptune and far Uranus in Sagittarius - What do you mean by deluded..?

Unless you have it in very hard aspect to personals .. take alot of drugs, Neptune won't cause "delusion?

Or do you mean, stray thoughts, spacing out etc?

Neptune is Poseidon, he rules color, spirituality, compassion, the oceans ..


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posted January 03, 2014 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But illusion could be a good word for some things Neptune brings into life.. wanting peace, tranquility within society

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posted January 03, 2014 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
I have my Moon with Neptune and far Uranus in Sagittarius - What do you mean by deluded..?

Unless you have it in very hard aspecat to Saturn or Sun, or take alot of drugs Neptune isn't going to cause "delusion?

Or do you mean, stray thoughts, spacing out etc?

Neptune is Poseidon, he rules color, spirituality, compassion, the oceans ..


I guess it depends on the rest of your natal chart. Maybe because it's in a fire sign, it's not as passive as neptune usually is.

I do agree with what you've said, but Neptune also rules drugs, deception, delusion, guilt. Hey, I have moon conjunct neptune too
The moon is my chart ruler though, which might be why I experience delusion.

And no, I don't take drugs.

Since my neptune is in the 7th hous, by delusionment, I don't see my partners very clearly- like I'll put them on a pedestal unconsciously, instead of seeing them as they actually are.

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posted January 03, 2014 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy don't be so delusional about things.

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posted January 03, 2014 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The key is to pay attention. The negative side of Neptune thrives when we inundate ourselves with it. However when Neptune is mixed with awareness, it offers a transcendental perspective wherever it is involved. Hard aspects tend to mess with our ability to apply awareness between Neptune and the aspecting planet.

Neptune's sign will indicate how one approaches Neptune with awareness. For example Neptune in Sag requires alchemy, awareness is applied toward the dissolution of boundaries. Some boundaries are best dissolved, while others produce more lasting growth when heeded. Neptune in Sag has little use for differentiating between imagination and reality, it merely needs to be trained (or broken as they say in horse training) to reign in its spiritual enthusiasm and apply that energy toward experiences offering the highest learning potential.

When Sag gets carried away with Neptune it can become so enthusiastic about how it walks the path, that it walks right past its destination, or it can become so preoccupied with the intangible nature of reality, that everything loses its value. The trick is to find a middle ground where our reality is just malleable enough; Where the steps we take are only as valuable as the effect they have on our experiences.

Neptune in Cap on the other hand requires craftsmanship, awareness is applied to the results of our investments. Some mountains are worth the climb, while others will bide their time and sap the climber of all her resources. Neptune in Cap has an intuitive reality. The world is only as real as what is felt in our bones. It therefor must choose its steps wisely and apply awareness to every step. It must check with its intuition to make sure the benefits of its actions remain worth the investment.

When Cap gets carried away with Neptune it can make decisions based on how it imagines things to be, instead of how things are in the moment. This Neptune can get stuck and never move, abandoning actual progresses for fantasized ones. On the other hand, this Neptune can also get so carried away with the act of climbing that before too long, it runs out of energy or resources to continue (or worse, it loses its sense of value and begins to cannibalize others). The trick is to devote awareness to the present moment. To approach life in the now, with the resources available now. It is not necessary to aim low, only to comprehend that aiming reasonably, over time, results in conquering the mountain.

I have Neptune conj Sun, both squaring Moon. It has taken time for me to learn to apply emotional awareness to my Neptune energies. To this day, it is something I must take time to exercise. I am learning throughout my life that when I don't make time to be emotionally aware of my Sun/Neptune in Sag, I learn very little about my self and others. Instead I create sort of a "if I were them I would be thinking this" scenario. That tends to overlook the value of other people's individuality and rob me of the opportunity to learn from other perspectives.

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posted January 03, 2014 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 03, 2014 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon opposite Neptune and I was once emotionally disturbed but can deal with this aspect now. I am still overly sensitive and do not have a lot of endurance when it comes to prolonged activities. My CNS exhausts easily and I need to recharge. Truly twelfth house with afflicted Neptune type. The stereotype of the overly sensitive type who doesn't handle strain well fits.

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posted January 04, 2014 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a very tight neptune square mercury, and keeping my focus on ANYthing has always been very hard… but I have mercury square saturn also and I think this helps…I mean, after all I did went to the university so I can't be that stupid!
But to communicate and listen and learning has ALWAYS been extremely difficult for me… it's hard to feel so bright on the inside, while the only words that comes out is delusional and weird to people!
The only thing I do to solve this square is to constantly forcing myself to become better at talking, writing, and communicate with people. It's really important that I don't move out on the country-side somewhere boring and sit there alone with a husband. I need to stay near activities who is challenging to my intellect, and the most simple things can be challenging enough…

If people say anything to me, I have a big tendency to drift away in my mind and not hearing what they said. That's really annoying but I really can't help it…and it has only gotten worse with the years! So it's important to keep reminding yourself about that you have to stay focused so that you doesn't have t repeat the same mistakes again and again

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posted January 04, 2014 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:

Neptune's sign will indicate how one approaches Neptune with awareness. For example Neptune in Sag requires alchemy, awareness is applied toward the dissolution of boundaries. Some boundaries are best dissolved, while others produce more lasting growth when heeded. Neptune in Sag has little use for differentiating between imagination and reality, it merely needs to be trained (or broken as they say in horse training) to reign in its spiritual enthusiasm and apply that energy toward experiences offering the highest learning potential.

When Sag gets carried away with Neptune it can become so enthusiastic about how it walks the path, that it walks right past its destination, or it can become so preoccupied with the intangible nature of reality, that everything loses its value. The trick is to find a middle ground where our reality is just malleable enough; Where the steps we take are only as valuable as the effect they have on our experiences.


i like that advice. i walk past my destination i think and need to relate it back to experience. i'm a neptune-moon in sag too. maybe that's why i find your enthusiasm for ideas so cute Plutofish.

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posted January 04, 2014 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Easy don't be so delusional about things.

I wish it was that easy :P

quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:
The key is to pay attention. The negative side of Neptune thrives when we inundate ourselves with it. However when Neptune is mixed with awareness, it offers a transcendental perspective wherever it is involved. Hard aspects tend to mess with our ability to apply awareness between Neptune and the aspecting planet.

Instead I create sort of a "if I were them I would be thinking this" scenario. That tends to overlook the value of other people's individuality and rob me of the opportunity to learn from other perspectives.


Wow, really insightful- clarified neptune issues a lot. I have neptune in Capricorn and your description really resonated with me. I do tend to dream about what COULD be reality instead of making it a reality.

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Originally posted by Violets:


quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am still overly sensitive and do not have a lot of endurance when it comes to prolonged activities.

I have the same issue, but my 8th house is dominant and I have moon conjunct neptune instead. 8th house and 12th house are somewhat similar though. I get overwhelmed by everything sometimes.

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I have a very tight neptune square mercury, and keeping my focus on ANYthing has always been very hard… but I have mercury square saturn also and I think this helps…I mean, after all I did went to the university so I can't be that stupid!
But to communicate and listen and learning has ALWAYS been extremely difficult for me… it's hard to feel so bright on the inside, while the only words that comes out is delusional and weird to people!
The only thing I do to solve this square is to constantly forcing myself to become better at talking, writing, and communicate with people. It's really important that I don't move out on the country-side somewhere boring and sit there alone with a husband. I need to stay near activities who is challenging to my intellect, and the most simple things can be challenging enough…

If people say anything to me, I have a big tendency to drift away in my mind and not hearing what they said. That's really annoying but I really can't help it…and it has only gotten worse with the years! So it's important to keep reminding yourself about that you have to stay focused so that you doesn't have t repeat the same mistakes again and again



Well you certainly don't sound stupid
Yeah I could understand why neptune square mercury causes issues with focus, but I think I could take your advice of directly facing my neptune- like charging head-on instead of being all neptunian and evasive.

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posted January 04, 2014 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Hey guys
If you have hard aspects from neptune to your personal planets, or in whatever house your neptune is placed, have you ever found a way to stop being deluded?

why would it have to be a hard aspect to lead to delusion? conjunctions to a personal planet or angle from Neptune are capable of exactly the same, although (perhaps) delusions about the self more than about others

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posted January 04, 2014 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's hard not to, Neptune is the seducer, once you are seduced there is no going back, or if you need to see reality again there are disappointments. It's very hard to break a Neptune illusion because reality is too harsh sometimes.

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posted January 04, 2014 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
why would it have to be a hard aspect to lead to delusion? conjunctions to a personal planet or angle from Neptune are capable of exactly the same, although (perhaps) delusions about the self more than about others

I was under the impression that a conjunction was a hard aspect. I have moon conjunct neptune.

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posted January 05, 2014 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IMoppedtheFloor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Hey guys
If you have hard aspects from neptune to your personal planets, or in whatever house your neptune is placed, have you ever found a way to stop being deluded?

I dont think that automatically means you're deluded - you'd have to look to see what everything in the chart is doing, like Mercury.

Venus squares Neptune in my chart but my Mercury sextiles Saturn so my sense of what is real and what isn't, is pretty strong.

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posted January 05, 2014 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun & Mercury conjunct Neptune. They're all in Capricorn. I have trouble grasping reality sometimes. I see things for how I want them to be and I end up crashing headfirst into a wall because of it. I feel this also has to do with my Uranus conjunctions.

I consider Sun + Merc conjunct Neptune a hard aspect because ego is clouded (which can also be a good thing) and communication is foggy.

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posted January 05, 2014 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlexDern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:
The key is to pay attention. The negative side of Neptune thrives when we inundate ourselves with it. However when Neptune is mixed with awareness, it offers a transcendental perspective wherever it is involved. Hard aspects tend to mess with our ability to apply awareness between Neptune and the aspecting planet.

Neptune's sign will indicate how one approaches Neptune with awareness. For example Neptune in Sag requires alchemy, awareness is applied toward the dissolution of boundaries. Some boundaries are best dissolved, while others produce more lasting growth when heeded. Neptune in Sag has little use for differentiating between imagination and reality, it merely needs to be trained (or broken as they say in horse training) to reign in its spiritual enthusiasm and apply that energy toward experiences offering the highest learning potential.

When Sag gets carried away with Neptune it can become so enthusiastic about how it walks the path, that it walks right past its destination, or it can become so preoccupied with the intangible nature of reality, that everything loses its value. The trick is to find a middle ground where our reality is just malleable enough; Where the steps we take are only as valuable as the effect they have on our experiences.

Neptune in Cap on the other hand requires craftsmanship, awareness is applied to the results of our investments. Some mountains are worth the climb, while others will bide their time and sap the climber of all her resources. Neptune in Cap has an intuitive reality. The world is only as real as what is felt in our bones. It therefor must choose its steps wisely and apply awareness to every step. It must check with its intuition to make sure the benefits of its actions remain worth the investment.

When Cap gets carried away with Neptune it can make decisions based on how it imagines things to be, instead of how things are in the moment. This Neptune can get stuck and never move, abandoning actual progresses for fantasized ones. On the other hand, this Neptune can also get so carried away with the act of climbing that before too long, it runs out of energy or resources to continue (or worse, it loses its sense of value and begins to cannibalize others). The trick is to devote awareness to the present moment. To approach life in the now, with the resources available now. It is not necessary to aim low, only to comprehend that aiming reasonably, over time, results in conquering the mountain.

I have Neptune conj Sun, both squaring Moon. It has taken time for me to learn to apply emotional awareness to my Neptune energies. To this day, it is something I must take time to exercise. I am learning throughout my life that when I don't make time to be emotionally aware of my Sun/Neptune in Sag, I learn very little about my self and others. Instead I create sort of a "if I were them I would be thinking this" scenario. That tends to overlook the value of other people's individuality and rob me of the opportunity to learn from other perspectives.



The above is masterfully written. I know brilliant Neptune in cap people very organized and practical but they tend to hop around a lot. Brilliant!

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posted January 06, 2014 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is great neptune in 9th in cap aspecting venus, mars, ascendant and jupiter my therapist says I'm all about disappointment

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