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posted April 13, 2014 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you seriously afraid that some scenario will happen in the nearer future that is going to turn our world order upside down?
And why?

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posted April 13, 2014 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does an asteroid hitting the Earth count?

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posted April 13, 2014 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe there will be a slow die out of the human race after a few major disasters over a long period of time.

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posted April 13, 2014 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mean earth? humans ? it’ll end, everything that has a beginning, has an ending too. It’s just a matter of time really.

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posted April 13, 2014 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone knows it's going to end, but what about ending say in the next 10 years? (Also note it means "end to life as we know it" as opposed to "end of the human race.")

And if so, what's your placements that you think contribute to that?

'Course I'd like to add what about those who HOPE for an immanent apocalypse so they can show off their nifty survival skills and/or finally be left in peace by society?

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Celestica
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posted April 13, 2014 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celestica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe in any mayan prophecies or anything like that but I've looked ahead at outer planetary transits up til around 2120 and I believe there are some interesting times ahead, particularly in the area of science and virtual reality. I don't think the world is going to end, if anything I have optimistic outlooks on the future of the human race. By the 2100s there'll probably be people being born on Mars

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posted April 13, 2014 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

good riddance

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posted April 14, 2014 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
End to life as we know it? I’d enjoy that. Fixed signs may hate it. Saturnians may hate it. Anyone who clings to order and stability may hate it. I love chaos. It brings out the best in me. Life stagnates when we take things for granted. I like to wipe my slate clean and start from scratch once in a while. I have Pluto conj. NN in 1st, which may contribute to that.

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posted April 14, 2014 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, lmao!

I just had a dream last night that a sort of apocalyptic event happened.

It involved a giant storm that aliens brewed to decimate us. It blackened the planet and destroyed everything in it's path.

It was weird though because I can fly and I kept flying away from it, lol.

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posted April 14, 2014 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
You mean earth? humans ? it’ll end, everything that has a beginning, has an ending too. It’s just a matter of time really.

I mean the world order. Like the death of our society as we know it today

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posted April 14, 2014 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:

'Course I'd like to add what about those who HOPE for an immanent apocalypse so they can show off their nifty survival skills and/or finally be left in peace by society?


Yup haha, I wouldn't mind that… I don't want the human race to die, just our society and the way things are now. People are also dying everyday because of our society

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posted April 14, 2014 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I don't think society has ever been as good as we have it now, not unless you count tribes barely past the stone age in an area of plenty without enemies (rare enough and never lasts). In some ways exploitation and killing have become more efficient yet at the same time many more (statistically speaking) were killed as well as exploited in brutal, merciless ways for thousands of years now, so we're still better off. We're spared many other horrors that our ancestors just accepted as part of life, too.

And basically, I thought The Mist portrayed human nature pretty accurately (including people trapped in a store reverting to human sacrifice to God within a week, though only because the sitch was so dire & dreadful--but yeah, I there is no doubt in my mind that if the events of the movie were to happen that such would be the likely result of how people would change, and how fast they'd do it) which can be summed up as this:

quote:
"I can't accept that. People are basically good; decent. My god, David, we're a civilized society."

"Sure, as long as the machines are working and you can dial 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, you scare the **** out of them - no more rules."


Sure, an apocalypse doesn't have to be that bad, and neither do people's reactions to it...but I can say after any apocalypse, even just a super flu, ammo will be worth more than gold to me and most others. And for me I'd be sure to keep "suicide rounds" in stock in case my sitch gets that bad--or I'm about to be taken by people I know will make me pray for death.

That said, I did cheer for Snake when he destroyed all electrical technology at the end of Escape from LA and figure in a case like that, it was preferable to the society portrayed in the movie (a society much worse than ours).

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posted April 14, 2014 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Actually, I don't think society has ever been as good as we have it now, not unless you count tribes barely past the stone age in an area of plenty without enemies (rare enough and never lasts). In some ways exploitation and killing have become more efficient yet at the same time many more were killed (speaking statistically) as well as exploited in brutal, merciless ways for thousands of years now, so we're still better off. We're spared many other horrors that our ancestors just accepted as part of life, too.


Yes, well at least it's true in some areas of the world… you are talking about the west. But at the world as a whole, it's pretty much as bad as it can get.
Also because that back in the old days, humans were at least pretty harmless towards nature. Today we have really f***** everything up.
And there is simply too many people to make everyone satisfied, there is simply not enough place to make crops and so on. Especially not if people got out of poverty.

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posted April 14, 2014 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celestica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Yes, well at least it's true in some areas of the world… you are talking about the west. But at the world as a whole, it's pretty much as bad as it can get.
Also because that back in the old days, humans were at least pretty harmless towards nature. Today we have really f***** everything up.
And there is simply too many people to make everyone satisfied, there is simply not enough place to make crops and so on. Especially not if people got out of poverty.

To comment on the part about nature there hasn't been much damage that isn't reversible, with the appropriate technology and human measures. And no, in almost ALL parts of the world human life is better than it used to be. A poor person in the West today has access to the internet, hot running water, electricity, warmth etc. Most poor people 100 years ago would have none of that. That applies to poor areas all around the world. Poor farmers in China have iPhones and access to the internet, hot running water etc. The amount of starving people in the world has gone down by half in only 30 years and continues to drop. Sensationalist and doom porn media paints a very bad picture of society and the global situation but it actually is much MUCH better than it has ever been.

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posted April 14, 2014 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
back in the old days, humans were at least pretty harmless towards nature. Today we have really f***** everything up

It's debatable about it being worse environmentally, certainly our cities are better than they were centuries ago (notable exceptions like Magnitogorsk not withstanding, and I know some in India remain as horrible as ever). Though as today war (which is just our nature) was the biggest culprit putting smelted metals into waterways and the use of such horrific weapons as Greek fire polluting both land & sea (which doesn't count the intentional poisoning and destruction of land and water by invaders to weaken enemy forces, a common practice).

Streets were littered with human waste (such as feces which added to all the animal waste) and discarded objects, trash and slime were everywhere humans were along with prevalent offal rendering, bone boiling, tanning fumes, fish scraps and animal wastes, and sludge. Tobacco became popular for awhile because it IMPROVED air quality in Europe, and since the industrial age there's also been ammonia gases, phosphate fertilizers, sickening coal dust, and acid fumes to add to all the other environmental nightmares. And though smog was first named at the dawn of the 20th century it's been a problem for centuries. We've been slaughtering animals to extinction for centuries as well (though the American bison were slaughtered nearly to extinction in part to deprive native americans of what they needed to survive, let alone resist, but it was a fun sport for people, too.)

And on top of this fires were all too common that not only ruined cities but also forests. Land was also devastated at times for centuries by selfish ag practices. And mining has released poisonous vapors that were as deadly as chemical weapons today that destroyed entire towns (who sometimes didn't have a clue as the gas was odorless, just people and animals dying), and mining practices also added to water and air pollution as well. And a bit on how filthy and polluting horse drawn buggies were for centuries:
http://www.banhdc.org/archives/ch-hist-19711000.html

Another thing to keep in mind is that the constant plagues, wars, lack of effective medical care, mass starvation, and merciless brutality kept human numbers down...I wonder how much worse it would've been had the world had our numbers with all that going on! (OTOH I expect the hardships was what contributed to the barbarity that kept the numbers down, something of a vicious circle.)

OTOH, many do realize that we're living in a bubble and that unless something new comes along (which is entirely possible) then sooner or later it's going to pop and then it will another major war for the history books over resources. Which could easily lead to an apocalypse, perhaps even a nuclear one.

Yet while we've become more efficient about polluting in some ways we've also become more motivated and effective in preserving and cleaning up the environment, too, progress that an end to our society would reverse. An end to our society isn't going to stop the oil spills either, if anything it might make them more common as underwater rigs break down. And I expect the nuclear reactors (maybe even those in the ocean!) will become environmental liabilities in the case our society collapses.

In any case, be careful what you wish for.

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posted April 14, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Celestica:
To comment on the part about nature there hasn't been much damage that isn't reversible, with the appropriate technology and human measures. And no, in almost ALL parts of the world human life is better than it used to be. A poor person in the West today has access to the internet, hot running water, electricity, warmth etc. Most poor people 100 years ago would have none of that. That applies to poor areas all around the world. Poor farmers in China have iPhones and access to the internet, hot running water etc. The amount of starving people in the world has gone down by half in only 30 years and continues to drop. Sensationalist and doom porn media paints a very bad picture of society and the global situation but it actually is much MUCH better than it has ever been.

So that some poor farmer in china has internet access is greatly improving their life quality in WHAT way? They probably can't even read.
But you can be right about one thing, and that is that the technology has given people the chance to know what is going on. And that probably makes them angry to see how bad their life is. Why else do you think people are making riot everywhere? cause they are UN-satisfied.

That the amount of starving people has gone down is good news, yes? But at which cost? Do you think the way we treat our soils for producing crops are eco-friendly? Do you think the way we treat nature today will provide just as much food in the nearer future? Cause it's NOT. The soil are getting thinner and thinner, and everyday many many hectares are transformed to dessert. The drinking water is more and more polluted because the way we produce food for everyone today is so effective that it's slowly destroying everything else.
We have not seen the fully effects of how we treated our earth yet, but we will in the future.
And the major problem is that the population is still rising, in just about 20 years we are going to be 9 bio.
Just the last 50 years the population DOUBBLED. The earth CANNOT provide all the resources for that many people UNLESS we change the system as it is now.

But OK OK you just go around and think everything is fine. LOL.

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posted April 14, 2014 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
It's debatable about it being worse environmentally, certainly our cities are better than they were centuries ago (notable exceptions like Magnitogorsk not withstanding, and I know some in India remain as horrible as ever). Though as today war (which is just our nature) was the biggest culprit putting smelted metals into waterways and the use of such horrific weapons as Greek fire polluting both land & sea (which doesn't count the intentional poisoning and destruction of land and water by invaders to weaken enemy forces, a common practice).

Streets were littered with human waste (such as feces which added to all the animal waste) and discarded objects, trash and slime were everywhere humans were along with prevalent offal rendering, bone boiling, tanning fumes, fish scraps and animal wastes, and sludge. Tobacco became popular for awhile because it IMPROVED air quality in Europe, and since the industrial age there's also been ammonia gases, phosphate fertilizers, sickening coal dust, and acid fumes to add to all the other environmental nightmares. And though smog was first named at the dawn of the 20th century it's been a problem for centuries. We've been slaughtering animals to extinction for centuries as well (though the American bison were slaughtered nearly to extinction in part to deprive native americans of what they needed to survive, let alone resist, but it was a fun sport for people, too.)

And on top of this fires were all too common that not only ruined cities but also forests. Land was also devastated at times for centuries by selfish ag practices. And mining has released poisonous vapors that were as deadly as chemical weapons today that destroyed entire towns (who sometimes didn't have a clue as the gas was odorless, just people and animals dying), and mining practices also added to water and air pollution as well. And a bit on how filthy and polluting horse drawn buggies were for centuries:
http://www.banhdc.org/archives/ch-hist-19711000.html

Another thing to keep in mind is that the constant plagues, wars, lack of effective medical care, mass starvation, and merciless brutality kept human numbers down...I wonder how much worse it would've been had the world had our numbers with all that going on! (OTOH I expect the hardships was what contributed to the barbarity that kept the numbers down, something of a vicious circle.)

OTOH, many do realize that we're living in a bubble and that unless something new comes along (which is entirely possible) then sooner or later it's going to pop and then it will another major war for the history books over resources. Which could easily lead to an apocalypse, perhaps even a nuclear one.

Yet while we've become more efficient about polluting in some ways we've also become more motivated and effective in preserving and cleaning up the environment, too, progress that an end to our society would reverse. An end to our society isn't going to stop the oil spills either, if anything it might make them more common as underwater rigs break down. And I expect the nuclear reactors (maybe even those in the ocean!) will become environmental liabilities in the case our society collapses.

In any case, be careful what you wish for.


well the main difference is probably that back then we were HALF AS MANY PEOPLE if not even lesser than that!
We didn't even use oil.
We hadn't even discovered those chemicals we now put into our drinking water and crops daily.
Maybe people died and it was horrible, but it's probably not even half as horrible as the way people are going to die in the nearer future because of war, pollution, starvation and what not. It was something completely else back then, you cannot compare those problems as the problems we got today.

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posted April 14, 2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chargeomentum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't care. If we all die out we won't even know that so what is the point in worrying?

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posted April 14, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by chargeomentum:
I don't care. If we all die out we won't even know that so what is the point in worrying?

the point is not being an egoistic person who only worries about oneself? And It's nice to leave a better planet than the one you were born into?

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posted April 14, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 14, 2014 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Are you seriously afraid that some scenario will happen in the nearer future that is going to turn our world order upside down?
And why?

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For Western Europe, Japan, S.Korea, & Taiwan the current World Order is a Pax Americana. For this system to be replaced with a NWO must be a frightful prospect for the far east, and Britain and France in particular. Western Europe has been at its most peaceful and prosperous since the Roman Empire, so for sure they're vested in the continuation of the current order.

For the rest of humanity, the hope is that the Americans will go as peacefully as the Soviets. Judging by the exit of America's predecessor (the British - 2 World Wars, tens of millions of lives), a peaceful exit is unlikely.

According to the Russians, major political shifts are synched with Sun spot activity, not the planets.

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posted April 14, 2014 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sag_stellium     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what I do and it always works:

Anytime, anyone believes in world ending on a certain upcoming date in the near future, I encourage them to believe in it. I also make a bet with them. If they're right and the world ends, I'll pay them a certain amount. If I'm right and the world doesn't end, I win and get paid.

If the world does end, they'll be too busy to collect my debt. And since the world hasn't ended through each one of these situations, I make money every time.

I started when I was 12. A wonderful, successful venture of my life. True story. A Sag with lucrative Venus in Capricorn and devious Mars in scorpio here.

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posted April 14, 2014 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celestica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next to neptune obviously you have a very negative view of the world which isn't going to change, but the great thing about objective fact is no ones opinions matter. The state of the world is better today than it was in the past, regardless of what any of us say. We have lots of issues and nothing is perfect but its nothing we can't fix and overcome, the world has seen much more dire circumstances. And plenty of people in China can read, and the internet is more than just a tool to read doom porn and hate the government. Those farmers can research how to get a higher crop yield, how to save water, what the future weather will be like which will affect their crops. No one had this information 100 years ago. All of human knowledge is in the fingertips of literally billions of people. Knowledge is power people.

edit to add: that the farmer can also research more than just farming, anyone can research how to build a better shelter how to create clean drinking water etc. The internet is a lot more than just linda goodman forums and facebook

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posted April 14, 2014 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
you cannot compare those problems as the problems we got today

Actually, one can and should. However, I'll just add that if an apocalypse comes it will do more harm than good to the environment. To have the effect you want our race would have to decline slowly. Perhaps if say a virus were to target the Y-chromosome that effectively killed (or at least left infertile) so many males than only 1 in a million survived (or could still spawn children)...that would allow for safeguards to be put in place that would prevent the devastation that would be caused by a more standard apocalypse while also drastically reducing (eventually) the population to become more sustainable (and then the asteroid hits anyway ).

Other than that...my Sag has to throw something else in:

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posted April 15, 2014 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Actually, one can and should. However, I'll just add that if an apocalypse comes it will do more harm than good to the environment. To have the effect you want our race would have to decline slowly. Perhaps if say a virus were to target the Y-chromosome that effectively killed (or at least left infertile) so many males than only 1 in a million survived (or could still spawn children)...that would allow for safeguards to be put in place that would prevent the devastation that would be caused by a more standard apocalypse while also drastically reducing (eventually) the population to become more sustainable (and then the asteroid hits anyway ).

Other than that...my Sag has to throw something else in:


No it's not something I WANT? I don't wan't our race to decline. That's why I worry about this, cause I really think that the current state of earth cannot provide food enough for everyone - equally. It's like someone has to be poor or the system has to chance drastically before everyone can have a fair life.
And all the things you say that will harm our environment if the system broke down, is also making me a bit worried, but it also make me think that there is really no other way than trying to fix things sooner or later…

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