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StrandedSaturn
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posted April 22, 2014 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StrandedSaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am bitterly single and yet I avoid intimacy. Do you ever feel like dating and relationships are just one big lie? Does it ever last? I find myself extremely jealous of other men who seem to be happy with their cute girlfriends. Having a ball, yeah?

I'm just a whiny water sign ascendant with a Venus Pluto Square.

I feel really destructive at the moment. I really wouldn't mind sabotaging these people's happiness. Why am I like this?

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SDragon
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posted April 22, 2014 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard to say. Got a chart?

I'm not into the dating scene either but don't have as much destructive thoughts. Just my faith.

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StrandedSaturn
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posted April 22, 2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StrandedSaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Kerosene
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posted April 22, 2014 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL pluto in the 5th and Saturn in the 7th.

and the t-square between moon-venus and pluto probably does not help.

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Jo B
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posted April 22, 2014 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StrandedSaturn:

I feel really destructive at the moment. I really wouldn't mind sabotaging these people's happiness. Why am I like this?

I'd say the Pluto at the middle of the T Square might well have something to do with the destructive part - squaring moon (emotions) and venus (love).

Maybe you just hate fakery in others (also false feelings in yourself) and want to explode all that shallow emotional/love stuff. lol.

You have quite an interesting looking chart. Pluto seems key, as it also forms sextiles with other planets. It's like you have two different things going on inside of you. The good guy and the bad guy. lol

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SDragon
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posted April 22, 2014 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in the 5th might be the cause of why you hate seeing the expression of happiness from other people. It's something you'll you'll have to balance.

Pluto-Venus, Pluto-Moon are more internal aspects but they mostly show up in closer relationships to others - not as much to strangers.

Lastly, Saturn in the 7th is the hesitation about the dating scene. You're more old-fashioned and when you hit 27-30, your inherent maturity will become more respected and attractive to women looking to settle down. But it too needs balancing or you will do the repel/attract dance when intimacy gets too close.

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aquaguy91
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posted April 22, 2014 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate but I dont wish to sabotage other people's happiness. I just get ****** off at people who give me flak for being negative about dating and women in general. How am I supposed to be positive when women do nothing but use me,ignore me, treat me like sh*t, and play games with me? I have: venus square mars, venus square pluto, pluto opposite moon, moon square venus,and venus quincunx chiron exact.

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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted April 22, 2014 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel the same way, except for the sabotaging part. I'm single and I like being single, but then there are just times when I long for companionship. The only thing is, I don't like being intimate or affectionate because it makes me feel awkward. I don't feel like sabotaging other people's happiness just because they're happier than me, though.

Moon in the 8th house indicates intense emotions. The fact that it is opposed by Venus kinda gives you this passionate hatred for lovey-dubey couples. And Pluto domicile in Scorpio in the 5th house squaring your Venus and Moon doesn't help. Moon in Aquarius tends to be emotionally detached and most of the time, you may not consider other people's feelings.

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posted April 22, 2014 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in the 8th plutonian house under the rulership of Uranus. I would say very kinky Moon not easy to be pleased/ satisfied at all cos it wants unusual, deep sexually coloured emotional stimulation. Square of exalted, strong Pluto in the 5th does not make the things easier either cos it gives the whole desire of that Moon a darker, ever more morbid shade. Venus from two under the rulership of Sun demands luxury, only the best is good for her, comes in question and she is in square and opp to this two humm...
Mars who is supposed to go and get it for you and rules the 5th house of romance is weak, not enough power to fight for what the soul really wants and rather stays at home literally! ( 4th house) and probable plays video games or watches tv or argues with parents, roommates etc. ..

Hello??

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Jo B
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posted April 22, 2014 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
StrandedSaturn I couldn't help noticing we have the same sun, moon, venus, mercury and saturn. lol

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Odette
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posted April 22, 2014 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
women do nothing but use me,ignore me, treat me like sh*t, and play games with me?

Which women did this towards you in the past year? How many?

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aah08
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posted April 23, 2014 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aah08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like you too.......
I also have Saturn in 7th

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pocaloca
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posted April 23, 2014 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in 7th means nothing else then older partners, maybe with traditional values also but it does not need to be.. and his Saturn behaves, is nice and does not square anything in a way which would meen restriction, blockage etc... he is probable just attracted to older ladies with mucho dinero ahahahah..

The truth is that our precious, special and sexy venus square pluto ( frrrrrr)) friend dreams of becoming a gigolo but does not dare to make his dreams come true and there for feels trapped and lonely !

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mercuranian
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posted April 23, 2014 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i can relate. i have moon in 8th house and venus square pluto as well.

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aah08
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posted April 23, 2014 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aah08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
Saturn in 7th means nothing else then older partners, maybe with traditional values also but it does not need to be.. and his Saturn behaves, is nice and does not square anything in a way which would meen restriction, blockage etc... he is probable just attracted to older ladies with mucho dinero ahahahah..

The truth is that our precious, special and sexy venus square pluto ( frrrrrr)) friend dreams of becoming a gigolo but does not dare to make his dreams come true and there for feels trapped and lonely !



Do you think is the same with venus square mars? or venus sextile pluto?
I feel like you described venus square pluto

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pocaloca
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posted April 23, 2014 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aah08:

Do you think is the same with venus square mars? or venus sextile pluto?
I feel like you described venus square pluto

aah,

I dont understand your question..humm?

The same what? sexiness? pain in the neck? affinity toward older lovers?? gigolo or gigoletta wana be desires? whatz?

i did described venus 90 pluto as sexy though..if it is that what you mean.

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aah08
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posted April 23, 2014 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aah08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
aah,

I dont understand your question..humm?

The same what? sexiness? pain in the neck? affinity toward older lovers?? gigolo or gigoletta wana be desires? whatz?


yes all of that....or how one could explain a venus square mars?
I understad affinity towards older lovers is saturn in 7th..
But the exact descripton of venus square pluto, could be the same that venus square mars??=)

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hannaramaa
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posted April 23, 2014 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:

Lastly, Saturn in the 7th is the hesitation about the dating scene. You're more old-fashioned and when you hit 27-30, your inherent maturity will become more respected and attractive to women looking to settle down. But it too needs balancing or you will do the repel/attract dance when intimacy gets too close.

^^ Yeah what about chicks? Do we have to wait 'til guys are in their late 30's?

I have moon opp. pluto, saturn in the 7th and it's squaring my Aries planets in the 11th. It sucks. And the only "older" partners that like me are creepy, smelly, old wrinkly men.

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aah08
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posted April 23, 2014 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aah08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Girls with Saturn in 7th have to wait until 27-30 to have a relationship?

I can relate to Hannaramaa

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moonlightx
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posted April 23, 2014 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlightx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do this too. We have a pretty similar chart (Cancer ASC, Saturn in Cap in 7th, Pluto in 5th, among other things...) I do not have a T-square though and I don't try to sabotage anyone's relationship, but I can be bitter about their happiness.

YET, I push other people away. :/

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aquaguy91
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posted April 23, 2014 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Which women did this towards you in the past year? How many?

Too many to count.

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pocaloca
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posted April 23, 2014 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aah08:
yes all of that....or how one could explain a venus square mars?
I understad affinity towards older lovers is saturn in 7th..
But the exact descripton of venus square pluto, could be the same that venus square mars??=)

I bet you wish ahahah!

Well Venus 90 Mars is as well electrifying and overloaded therefor sexy but in a more raw animalistic ( naive) way while Venus90 Pluto transmits more of the mystique energy.. death, transformation, morbid dark sexuality with way more deepness, pain then the Mars can offer.. Pluto is brutal planer, Mars is "just" a macho warrior ..Pluto makes you suffer first and then he kills you, slowly while Mars stabs, shoots, kills straight away and moves on.

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pocaloca
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posted April 23, 2014 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aah08:
Girls with Saturn in 7th have to wait until 27-30 to have a relationship?

I can relate to Hannaramaa


Yes this can also play out, be logical that the placement, house where we find our Saturn in the natal chart would be the slowest one in letting us get what this house symbolises..Like if in second the person would be poor or need to work hard for their money and can get wealthy only trough hard work and later in life..7th is waiting long for the Partner ( house of partnership)..According to this theory the best place to have Saturn in is the 8th though, it prolongs the life defo, cos you need to wait long till your Saturn lets you die , or you stay your life long a virgin cos 8th is the house of sex as well...ahahaha...not sure if I like that theory

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posted April 23, 2014 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
Yes this can also play out, be logical that the placement, house where we find our Saturn in the natal chart would be the slowest one in letting us get what this house symbolises..Like if in second the person would be poor or need to work hard for their money and can get wealthy only trough hard work and later in life..7th is waiting long for the Partner ( house of partnership)..According to this theory the best place to have Saturn in is the 8th though, it prolongs the life defo, cos you need to wait long till your Saturn lets you die , or you stay your life long a virgin cos 8th is the house of sex as well...ahahaha...not sure if I like that theory

Hahaha nice one, so saturn in 6th house would mean I have to wait a long time to get a job? that sucks too…

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posted April 23, 2014 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But according to the chart I see a lot of general basic problems, like the lack of water in the chart, aqua moon and the square between moon-venus, that is just not good… plus venus conjunction jupiter and in 2nd house…. I think in the overall picture I see someone who is extremely cold and detached on the outside and in deeply pain on the inside because of a very big longing for sex and intimacy…


I don't really know what you should do though, cause the problem could be that if (and when) you get someone, you are likely to be jealous and mean towards them, and they won't understand you at all, so I'm not sure what kind of partner you need actually

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