posted April 24, 2014 10:22 AM            

Care to post about how and where you see it manifesting?

I was thinking of my own situation yesterday, as I was reading up on various health and wellness issues. I have a 6H sun and Mercury (my "Virgo placements"). My sun is ruled by and in mutual reception with 12H Saturn; and I have an 8H Pisces moon.

I love reading up on alternative medicine, nutrition, all that stuff. My problem is, too often, this leads to me reading alot about sick and dying people, and then getting into a dark funk. Even the warlike tension between the modern medical establishment and its detractors can swamp me. I start imagining all the casualties of this failure to cooperate, start empathizing to the point where my own health must be taking a hit: too much stress.

My reactions might be particular to a Pisces moon, but I'm thinking other Pisces placements would also feel strained when dealing with "Virgo issues." Having both Virgo and Pisces together in the chart probably forces us to find a balance, but I'm thinking modern life makes that especially hard, at least in this one area: there's so much confusion about health care (Virgo problem) and so many people are accessible through the internet, telling their tales of woe (Pisces problem.)

posted April 24, 2014 10:30 AM            

Ugh. Don't get me googling.
I will be planning my burial within hours (seriously, I have thought about getting a large envelope and sealing it with specific instructions on how my funeral should go and to make sure they do an autopsy so I can prove to the world that all my ailments weren't made up ... a last "I told you so!" )

posted April 24, 2014 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Do you have this?

Care to post about how and where you see it manifesting?

I was thinking of my own situation yesterday, as I was reading up on various health and wellness issues. I have a 6H sun and Mercury (my "Virgo placements") and an 8H Pisces moon.

I love reading up on alternative medicine, nutrition, all that stuff. My problem is, too often, this leads to me reading alot about sick and dying people, and then getting into a dark funk. Even the warlike tension between the modern medical establishment and its detractors can swamp me. I start imagining all the casualties of this failure to cooperate, start empathizing to the point where my own health must be taking a hit: too much stress.

My reactions might be particular to a Pisces moon, but I'm thinking other Pisces placements would also feel strained when dealing with "Virgo issues." Having both Virgo and Pisces together in the chart probably forces us to find a balance, but I'm thinking modern life makes that especially hard, at least in this one area: there's so much confusion about health care (Virgo problem) and so many people are accessible through the internet, telling their tales of woe (Pisces problem.)

Thoughts?

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Hah, I know exactly what you are talking about!

I got a virgo sun and mars, 3 6th house placements (Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) which opposites my Jupiter in 12th house. Aaaand I also got a pisces moon on top of that.

I have not thought so much about health problems though, but I have though a lot about work which includes stress, which is also a health care problem in the end… the tension between virgo/pisces is also about work and "not-working".

Virgo wants to work so hard everyday and get stressed out if they don't feel productive, while pisces people feel fine about never having to work so hard… 6th house is about practical everyday stuff and 12th house doesn't care, they just want to float around in the universe with their spiritual minds… my jupiter opposite saturn in these two houses is REALLY frustrating the F*** out of me!!

And the result? I'm really stressed out!

posted April 24, 2014 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Do you have this?

Care to post about how and where you see it manifesting?

I was thinking of my own situation yesterday, as I was reading up on various health and wellness issues. I have a 6H sun and Mercury (my "Virgo placements") and an 8H Pisces moon.

I love reading up on alternative medicine, nutrition, all that stuff. My problem is, too often, this leads to me reading alot about sick and dying people, and then getting into a dark funk. Even the warlike tension between the modern medical establishment and its detractors can swamp me. I start imagining all the casualties of this failure to cooperate, start empathizing to the point where my own health must be taking a hit: too much stress.

My reactions might be particular to a Pisces moon, but I'm thinking other Pisces placements would also feel strained when dealing with "Virgo issues." Having both Virgo and Pisces together in the chart probably forces us to find a balance, but I'm thinking modern life makes that especially hard, at least in this one area: there's so much confusion about health care (Virgo problem) and so many people are accessible through the internet, telling their tales of woe (Pisces problem.)

Thoughts?

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I have sun in virgo in the 10th opposite Moon in pisces in the 4th. The astrology place describes this opposition super well I feel:

The symbolic meaning of the opposition aspect (180 degrees)symbolizes the balancing of two opposing energies. The opposition is considered a difficult aspect in natal astrology. However, with this aspect in particular, the elements are complimentary and water and earth can sustain one another. If you are willing to work with your opposition you can get this conflicting pair to work together, and you can achieve a more balanced state in your life. One analogy used to describe an opposition is, the see-saw. With a see-saw when too much weight is placed on one side/sign it throws the other side out of balance. An extreme emphasis on one sign can create the need for the opposite sign to apply greater force to re-balance the situation. Both opposing signs appear as disconnected spurts of energy. Yet, they need and depend on one another for greater harmony and balance.

Pisces is a mutable water sign and is classified as emotionally giving without “thinking” or judging. They have enormous compassion and sensitivity for all types of people. Weakness lies in the inability to use clear discrimination. Pisces often needs to recognize that to help-less, allows an individual to stand on his own two feet. If they could develop their critical faculties and clear judgement, this would allow them to see when help is genuinely needed. Often people use them as a human crutch, and what they need to realize is that by hitting rock bottom it forces an individual to fix the problem using his own logic, skill and resources. Basically to sort his own mess, and get his **** together (Virgo).

A wise verse says: “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Another phrase that describes the Virgo-Pisces opposition is: “Heaven helps those who help themselves." Virgo's focus upon self-help and analysis is all in aid of self-development. The 6th house (ruled by Virgo) signifies the ordering of the personality.

The fishes biggest problems is: finding the heart to say no. Virgo is far more discriminating, but both signs are kind and helpful, and they form part of the selfless-service axis. Virgo will not lend his sympathy to those people who are only looking for handouts and they understand the value of hard work, but they can also be overly critical and nit-picking in their assessments.

Virgo -“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” Pisces - “Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self-control to be understanding and forgiving.” For Virgo's self-analysis, editing, evaluation and engaging in repetitive manual tasks, it can leave them over-worked and soul-less and perhaps even joy-less at times.

Pisces retreats from the physical world in order to refill their spiritual selves and indulge in their dream life. Virgo would benefit from learning the "art of doing nothing" and take breaks from their day-to-day work in order to relax. "You can always find reasons to work. There will always be one more thing to do." But when people don't take time out, they stop being productive. They stop being happy, and that affects the morale of everyone around them". --Carisa Bianchi.

Pisces has a hard time dealing with the mundane world and repetition is not appealing to the psyche. Waking up to the same routine is the number one soul killer. Nonetheless, it offers security on the earth plane and a sense of natural order. Many of us stuck in "daily routine" often talk about “breaking out of routine” and refer to it as a prison with no release. We complain about getting those dreaded chores done! Inactivity allows the soul to rest and recuperate.

In balance, taking too much time off to daydream can cause us to lose reality. Daily chores still need to be attended to regularly and it provides our lives with order. Routine is vital to our sense of well being and this is balanced by allowing us to have "time off" and attend to our spiritual self.Virgo helps to ground Piscean dreams and make them workable. Whereas Pisces can bring the spiritual into the mundane world, especially if we are caught up in the daily grind of life.

The axis is learning how to balance the mind, body and spirit. Virgo compartmentalizes life and everything has its place, function and use, they are mutable and earthy and so are adaptable to earthly life. According to Liz Greene, (Astrology for Lovers), "Virgo is not a perfectionist, to be a perfectionist you have to be idealistic. And Virgo is more of a realist. No perfectionist ever accepted reality."

The problem with Virgo is that they find it difficult to look beyond the horizon and get caught up in physical reality. Pisces sees the whole picture and knows when to let go. However, it would help greatly if they understood the small parts of the engine that keep life functioning. Pisces has difficulty being in the physical body and they must learn practical ways to ground themselves through routine, work, and a tidy environment, as this enables them to exist in the here and now. Problems should not be allowed to build up into bigger ones.

Pisces will offer unconditional love and compassion to those in great need, but true Spiritual work also involves doing jobs we don't like. The saviour (Pisces) image is often overly glamorised in society and the "real work" of helping is often extremely tough. Keeping grounded is vital, otherwise you would lose the self in the mist of grief, sorrow misery and be pulled down with it. Work is also an excellent tonic and can lift the spirits, especially when we feel that we are being useful and helpful .

posted April 24, 2014 11:54 AM            

One picture is worth a thousand words.

Pisces can look at something, see its symbolic meaning while Virgo will express this to anyone who will listen.

posted April 24, 2014 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by fairaqua:

Ugh. Don't get me googling.
I will be planning my burial within hours (seriously, I have thought about getting a large envelope and sealing it with specific instructions on how my funeral should go and to make sure they do an autopsy so I can prove to the world that all my ailments weren't made up ... a last "I told you so!" )

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LOL!

I'm like that, too. I tell my husband, "If I die in my sleep, it's either a stroke or brain tumor. Just remember I told you it would happen."

Feels good to laugh about it...

posted April 24, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:

I got a virgo sun and mars, 3 6th house placements (Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) which opposites my Jupiter in 12th house. Aaaand I also got a pisces moon on top of that.

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Wow! That's a lot! Jupiter in the 12H is supposed to offer protection, so...you can worry a bit less, if you believe in your chart's luck.

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
the tension between virgo/pisces is also about work and "not-working".

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Good point.

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
my jupiter opposite saturn in these two houses is REALLY frustrating the F*** out of me!!
And the result? I'm really stressed out!

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posted April 24, 2014 02:46 PM            

@Orange: Yeah, hypochondria really does suck, and it can be so expensive, too!

@SSS

Random picture instead of words.