posted April 25, 2015 01:59 PM            

There are nowadays 7 billion people living on earth... Since the beginning of time, there were never so many people walking on planet earth... combined!
That's freakish! (here's the link --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth# /media/File:Population_curve.svg)

So how can some people claim to have lived one or, worse, many lives? The numbers don't lie. It just doesn't sum up.
If reincarnation is a possibility, only a small proportion of people have lived more than once... and I mean it. A small proportion.
The majority are newbies, wishing they were old souls.

posted April 25, 2015 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
According to those who invented the theory of Karma, i.e. the Hindus and Buddhists, all life is one, not only human life. Therefore, the souls start incarnating as plants, amobae, insects, other animals, and only slowly progress during very many incarnations towards the human incarnation. Ghosts and spirits are also included in this system, btw. According to the earliest ideas of Karma (I stress this point because many New Age people use the term somewhat differently), one can alternate between incarnations as animals, spirit beings (devas) and humans. So the rising number of humans would only indicate that a growing number of souls have reached the level of incarnating as human beings rather than other life forms.

*edit* Aunt Anomalia's points are of course another possible explanation.

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I think that theory could be corrupt mainstream theory they wanted to give us. I think our DNA were manipulated by alien species who are creating hybrids.

They don't want you to know, like many truth are either hidden or not taught in school. A life can be created with a spark in the right environment. Checkout Acai insects and John Nash who interpreted gnostic text. His video interviews explain how it all began with Sophia (light/energy), the goddess which came from Galactic Centre(!) and became the Earth (heavier form). This is very similar to what Mayan story of how the world began.

btw, Great question OP. I too had the same question and asked Lama about it...if more people means that people are more blessed to come here? Because according to Buddhism, to be born in a human realm is a great blessings because this is the only opportunity where we will have a chance to attain enlightenement. Other realms like hell, hungry ghost realms, they can't! Anyway, Lama didn't have the answer so I decided not to pursuit it anymore and I am glad I did!
Religions are there to control people's mind. People accept belief/teachings without questioning which is dangerous. Question everything!

Anyway, I think.... we/spirits/souls don't just incarnate on the planet Earth. When you sleep....where do you go? When I am asleep, I go on about doing things just like I do in my waking life. I'm not saying I am right but just to throw you something to think about.

posted April 25, 2015 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:

That's interesting you say that because I studied Tibetan Buddhism and I was told by the Lama that humans are always human and animals...etc don't mix!

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posted April 25, 2015 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
*edit* There is a notion, however, already in early Buddhism that a person who has reached the spiritual stage of "stream entry" (the lowest tier of enlightenment out of a total four) will never reincarnate in any of the three lower realms of existence (animal, hungry ghosts, hell beings) again, and always be either a human or a deva/asura type being henceforth for a maximum of seven incarnations before leaving the wheel altogether. Maybe your Lama was referring to such "partially enlightened" humans?

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Regarding extraterrestrial existences - I would tend to agree, Earth is only a temporarily available habitat and it would seem logical that souls would be able to incarnate in different solar systems, and migrate if their "home world" is destroyed, as every inhabitable planet eventually will be, according to what is currently known about the universe.

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posted April 25, 2015 06:34 PM            

This pot shot at reincarnation is a very rickety one cooked up by the scientific rationalist crowd of skeptical 'debunkers' who blow boogers at anything metaphysical and are determined to be annihilated at the death of their personal bag of bones.

If it is understood that this dimension, the material one, is a concentration of, that is, an inner quality of the larger universe(s) -- contained within it -- then the pool from which souls birth into this world is coming from a larger space(s). Which means there could be in theory trillions of souls -- or more -- to draw from for candidates as human beings.

I used to buy the Edgar Cayce argument that we 'humans' only reincarnate as 'humans.' Reincarnation out of species was termed 'transmigration of souls' to separate it from reincarnation generally and portray it as a kind of superstition. When you consider that 'human being' is a temporary label for a transitory state of biology, I just have a hard time accepting such a dismissal when the oldest traditions in the world maintain that souls of a formerly human form can reincarnate into other forms.

I'm not convinced of any rule at all for this. I don't think it happens as a matter of punishment karma (since I don't believe in that), so much as a matter of purpose and intention. And since I know people who have animals as pets they believe to be either the physical vehicle of their spiritual guides and/or vehicles of wise, loving masters, then I leave room for this to be true as well.

The biggest problem with reincarnation is that modernists, particularly of the Abrahamic (Judeo-Christian-Moslem) variety, have such trouble allowing for it to be possible. Just because reincarnation is possible does not mean every person on earth has done it. It does not mean that each one who has done it will do it again.

But as souls many of us are well invested not only in life on earth developing in a good direction and evolving together, but will return again and again to assist in this. We do this, not because of 'karmic entanglement' or 'the fall' or some such, but because *we are creators *we are interdimensional beings ... *this is what we do.

We each express in miniature a piece of the creative power of the Creator's Power. What limits and rules do you truly see that Creator putting upon itself? There's no need. The Creator's purpose is to create and this is done through experience, change, mobility and development of new forms. This is the closest I come to theology. Within us is the DNA, the seed essence of Original Being. As a mass, we are incredibly powerful creators, but individuation (separation from singular consciousness) creates ego and this is what we are struggling to balance and overcome.

posted April 25, 2015 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
In no way does the number of persons living on the planet, past or present, determine how many of us could or could not be reincarnated. Souls are not generated at biological birth. So the math has to start before that -- which is problematic.

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posted April 25, 2015 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Piscesmoongirl:
The majority are newbies, wishing they were old souls.

Have you ever thought of that?

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As a matter of fact, when someone constantly goes on about being an old (like immature kids going on about how everyone else around them is immature) or an "advanced" soul of some kind I'm inclined to automatically think of them as "new souls." Though I should point out I find it's even worse when it comes from a genuine old one than from a young whippersnapper who thinks his britches are too small.

posted April 25, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
As a matter of fact, when someone constantly goes on about being an old (like immature kids going on about how everyone else around them is immature) or an "advanced" soul of some kind I'm inclined to automatically think of them as "new souls." Though I should point out I find it's even worse when it comes from a genuine old one than from a young whippersnapper who thinks his britches are too small.

And let me add that I think there are pros & cons to both young and old, old tends to bring wisdom but also lacks adaptability and a tendency to overlook lessons because they think they've already learned that while young brings a fresh perspective and adaptability but too distracted to apply themselves as well as they should. Both are at their best when learning from each other rather than holding the other in contempt (or with a "love" that's more condescending than genuine).

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posted April 25, 2015 11:45 PM            

Personally, I consider it ultimately unknowable, be it how time flows (is it a subjective experience or an actual dimension that can be traveled in not only linear ways but also sideways, and just how mutable is it, do we shape it or does it unfold before us?), the nature of souls and what purpose our souls may have and what's best for them (and then there's the possible heavens, hells, and the nature of afterlives), and reincarnation (I'm currently a believer as in "likely true" but I consider other possibilities all the time). As for the question of Old Souls and the like I've repeatedly asked why it matters to those who are obsessed with such things but haven't gotten an answer yet (save some vague "know why I'm different" despite that we all have our differences and it comes back to "why I'm better than everyone else").

One thing I have noticed is in the vast majority of cases the person claiming to be an Old Soul or equivalent is more egotistical than usual (while typically claiming they've overcome ego), view themselves as paragons that others should look up to so that the world can be wonderful (when they're petty, egotistical, and filled with double talk and whining, and if they are old then the one thing they've mastered is being a "you kids get off my lawn" crotchety). They're emotional rather than wise with feelings very easy to hurt (comes with the ego) and if someone points this out they get defensive and will deny it while proving it (for example, "I don't think I'm better than anyone else, it's just I've learned all the lessons there are to learn and I'm now here to help the rest of you learn them" with a lot of talk of others who don't worship at their feet or dare challenge any assertion as being filled with foolishness, brainwashed, tools or even agents of the Illuminati, etc, rather than showing that wisdom they claim to have but don't).

I've met very few exceptions (and those very few exceptions may claim to be Old Souls or what have you but it's not something they trumpet or even think about that much, anymore than the color of their hair, these exceptions not that concerned by hair color either). Usually when I make general statements I mean to imply a great many variations and exceptions to the rule (both for a variety of known reasons and also just because that's how the dice rolls in their case), but in this case those exceptions are extremely rare in my experience and the experience of others I've talked to about this. Hence, if there's such a thing as old and new souls in a way we humans can appreciate I'd say they're the "tween" souls who are still children trying to be adults, because that's pretty much how they act in a new age way.

posted April 26, 2015 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
In no way does the number of persons living on the planet, past or present, determine how many of us could or could not be reincarnated. Souls are not generated at biological birth. So the math has to start before that -- which is problematic.

This pot shot at reincarnation is a very rickety one cooked up by the scientific rationalist crowd of skeptical 'debunkers' who blow boogers at anything metaphysical and are determined to be annihilated at the death of their personal bag of bones.

If it is understood that this dimension, the material one, is a concentration of, that is, an inner quality of the larger universe(s) -- contained within it -- then the pool from which souls birth into this world is coming from a larger space(s). Which means there could be in theory trillions of souls -- or more -- to draw from for candidates as human beings.

I used to buy the Edgar Cayce argument that we 'humans' only reincarnate as 'humans.' Reincarnation out of species was termed 'transmigration of souls' to separate it from reincarnation generally and portray it as a kind of superstition. When you consider that 'human being' is a temporary label for a transitory state of biology, I just have a hard time accepting such a dismissal when the oldest traditions in the world maintain that souls of a formerly human form can reincarnate into other forms.

I'm not convinced of any rule at all for this. I don't think it happens as a matter of punishment karma (since I don't believe in that), so much as a matter of purpose and intention. And since I know people who have animals as pets they believe to be either the physical vehicle of their spiritual guides and/or vehicles of wise, loving masters, then I leave room for this to be true as well.

The biggest problem with reincarnation is that modernists, particularly of the Abrahamic (Judeo-Christian-Moslem) variety, have such trouble allowing for it to be possible. Just because reincarnation is possible does not mean every person on earth has done it. It does not mean that each one who has done it will do it again.

But as souls many of us are well invested not only in life on earth developing in a good direction and evolving together, but will return again and again to assist in this. We do this, not because of 'karmic entanglement' or 'the fall' or some such, but because *we are creators *we are interdimensional beings ... *this is what we do.

We each express in miniature a piece of the creative power of the Creator's Power. What limits and rules do you truly see that Creator putting upon itself? There's no need. The Creator's purpose is to create and this is done through experience, change, mobility and development of new forms. This is the closest I come to theology. Within us is the DNA, the seed essence of Original Being. As a mass, we are incredibly powerful creators, but individuation (separation from singular consciousness) creates ego and this is what we are struggling to balance and overcome.

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posted April 26, 2015 10:10 AM            

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So how can some people claim to have lived one or, worse, many lives? The numbers don't lie. It just doesn't sum up.
If reincarnation is a possibility, only a small proportion of people have lived more than once... and I mean it. A small proportion.
The majority are newbies, wishing they were old souls.
Have you ever thought of that?

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Im inclined to think that it’s merely a case of the Archon soul cloning technology working overtime, even the Gods need to eat you know? Cloned beef, yummy!

When I think of young souls, I think of those who have just been cloned (then eaten) but sent back with just one (or none) lifetimes worth of experience so that they can never escape or even become aware of what’s being done to them each time they die.

Where as Old souls, are simply those with an awareness capable of resisting and evading the likes of the soul cloners which allows them to hold onto the experience of all their collected lives over many incarnations.

So yes you are correct in some sense, Only a small portion are Old Souls, the rest is cloned beef…

But ofc… It’s not like I can prove anything I have said, Im just throwing a theory into the mix is all

posted April 26, 2015 11:25 AM            

The currency is energy hence they suck our energy...be it any kind of emotion but mainly negative ones like anger, sadness etc....this is what they feeds on.

The term Archon was coined by John Nash who I mentioned in my previous post.

Good way to figure out if they are regular humans or not is to look into their eyes. Those that have lost their soul has blank/staring into the air kinda eyes. They are not there. They just move according to the hypnotic command that's been broadcasted on TV. I realised this and chucked my tv decades ago.