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posted April 22, 2015 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a large group of people born between October, 1956 and July, 1972. People in this generation value the principles of justice, not as conceived by humans, but having more to do with natural law and the rhythms and cycles of nature. They have an affinity with nature, its aesthetic and orderly aspects, particularly the plant kingdom, and the natural sciences such as botany and herbology.

This generation is especially sensitive and attuned to the crisis of rapid destruction of the natural world and the degradation and pollution of our environment. It may be that as a group they have a calling to respond and to address these environmental issues and to help restore the balance between humans and nature. They are doing this and will do so in a modest, quiet, practical, and "let's get to work" kind of way.

A major configuration that influenced all those born in the 1960s coincided with major developments in science, such as the "Gaia hypothesis" of 1968, "a second Darwinian revolution" in evolutionary biology, and the emergence of ecological thought that began with Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" in 1962. We are again within a Uranus-Pluto cycle and are seeing environmental issues front and center on a global scale, i.e., GMO, fracking and global warming.

This group is also concerned with work, service, and health care. It is noteworthy that the first U.S. president born in this generation shortly after coming into office went to work on bringing changes to the current health care system in America.

Margaret Flowers, M.D., a pediatrician and mother of 3, from Baltimore, Maryland, left her medical practice in 2007 to work full-time as an advocate for single payer health care. She was born in 1962.

For those of you who have this placement or have friends or family members who do, any comments or anything to add?

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posted April 22, 2015 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What occurs to me reading this is how the Virgo Plutos in both the USA and the USSR became critical of the Cold War propaganda that both governments weren't able to effectively counter. Generally speaking the more popular movies and music in the United States showed Russians as people, too, both sides just needed to calm down. And I'm told that in response Reagan used tax incentives to encourage schools to cut critical thinking from public schools.

Meanwhile, the Soviets were having a similar problem as they also questioned the propaganda and criticized their own government (while not as openly as in the USA the jokes were incredibly hilarious and cynical and one told me how it was a game to give tongue in cheek responses to instructors in the required Marxism course that was actually putting down the Soviet government while not getting caught at it) which ultimately led to Glasnost, probably because the passive aggressive resistance was becoming too much to ignore any longer so the government wanted to make it look like the many voices were just a few who they were now willing to listen to so they could counter it openly without alienating the people even more in the process.

Btw, the pollution of Russia is intense (heck, Magnitogorsk may very well be one of the most polluted & poisonous cities on the planet, certainly the worst I've ever heard of) and that was (and is) a major bone of contention among many Russian reformers both before and after the official ideological changes in Russia.

I'd figured that as the world stabilized and people didn't feel so threatened they desired peace to enjoy their stable lives so were inclined to dismiss state propaganda (both the USA and Russia seem prone to over the top fears, something the governments of both take advantage of whenever they can) instead of just happy for someone to blame and hate for their troubles. But maybe it was the effect of so many Virgo Plutos being born in both countries.

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posted April 22, 2015 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What occurs to me reading this is how the Virgo Plutos in both the USA and the USSR became critical of the Cold War propaganda that both governments weren't able to effectively counter. Generally speaking the more popular movies and music in the United States showed Russians as people, too, both sides just needed to calm down. And I'm told that in response Reagan used tax incentives to encourage schools to cut critical thinking from public schools.

Meanwhile, the Soviets were having a similar problem as they also questioned the propaganda and criticized their own government (while not as openly as in the USA the jokes were incredibly hilarious and cynical and one told me how it was a game to give tongue in cheek responses to instructors in the required Marxism course that was actually putting down the Soviet government while not getting caught at it) which ultimately led to Glasnost, probably because the passive aggressive resistance was becoming too much to ignore any longer so the government wanted to make it look like the many voices were just a few who they were now willing to listen to so they could counter it openly without alienating the people even more in the process.

Btw, the pollution of Russia is intense (heck, Magnitogorsk may very well be one of the most polluted & poisonous cities on the planet, certainly the worst I've ever heard of) and that was (and is) a major bone of contention among many Russian reformers both before and after the official ideological changes in Russia.

I'd figured that as the world stabilized and people didn't feel so threatened they desired peace to enjoy their stable lives so were inclined to dismiss state propaganda (both the USA and Russia seem prone to over the top fears, something the governments of both take advantage of whenever they can) instead of just happy for someone to blame and hate for their troubles. But maybe it was the effect of so many Virgo Plutos being born in both countries.


PixieJane, I hadn't thought of the political angle. I'll have to think about that. Thanks. And it looks like we've entered into another cold war with Russia.

One thing I will mention though is that while you may be right about the conditions that make people more skeptical of state propaganda, we become very vulnerable to fear mongering by the state during Saturn-Pluto cycles.

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In my part of the world, people were impacted by the Chernobyl disaster, though not as heavily as in the 'epicentre' - we're far away enough thankfully. It was more of a big scare and sense of impending end of the world for a while, though there were quite a few terrifying cases of health issues caused by the radiation as well. The Virgo Pluto generation were in their teens to early thirties then, so this had an especially strong effect on their mindset about health, the environment, and humanity's responsibility to it. I had never made the connection until now, but this disaster must have solidified their 'mission' as a generation, to find ways to be more responsible to nature. Especially in combination with the fact that they were born during or shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis, so this tangible fear of the world ending any moment now, though possibly unconscious in most cases, must have sent them on their path to restore natural balance between humans and Earth.

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People in this generation value the principles of justice, not as conceived by humans, but having more to do with natural law and the rhythms and cycles of nature.

This is very true! Not a shred of vindictiveness, they are always confident that things will sort themselves out naturally. And they are usually right!

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My mother has 6th house virgo pluto - earth singleton.

She has a chart full of pisces and aqua placements, and an impatient aries moon. But at work, she's astoundingly organized and she pays a tremendous amount of attention to the little details in order to make the end result "as perfect as possible" - her exact words. Her standards are high.

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My Pluto is at 27.58 of Virgo. Trine Saturn, Sextile Moon, Neptune and Jupiter. No harsh aspects.

I love nature and being outdoors. I'm not sure how concerned I am about the environment, but I do care about what I put in my body.

My causes are more with mental health, spirituality and healing. Working or being a peer aide to those who need help.

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Joan McEvers'/Marion Marches' Vol.1 in their 'The Only Way To Learn Astrology' series give the key phrase "technical development" for Pluto in Virgo. I can see how this holds up with me, with my Asc 17 Virgo, Pluto 25. Certainly this can be seen in my approach to astrology. Because of my Asc near Pluto I think I'm pretty representative of these core principles.

You can also read on my blog how often I write about nature in principle and how it can and should better guide our lives in the way of balance.

The view that sees primarily ruthless survival drives and cruel whim over anything else in nature is low-brow. I don't care how educated you are. This where the west needs to learn more from eastern cultures.

I think Virgo is generally very instinctual, that in this mode the intuition is body-based and lets the masculine power of Pluto work in that feminine environment. Pluto was a chthonian, and works well in Virgo by pulling up from the depths of her resourcefulness. I'm capable of great frugality and utilitarian practicality, and prefer to live simply, seeing nature as the seat of resources, not human institutions like banks or mediums of exchange.

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posted April 23, 2015 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In my part of the world, people were impacted by the Chernobyl disaster, though not as heavily as in the 'epicentre' - we're far away enough thankfully. It was more of a big scare and sense of impending end of the world for a while, though there were quite a few terrifying cases of health issues caused by the radiation as well. The Virgo Pluto generation were in their teens to early thirties then, so this had an especially strong effect on their mindset about health, the environment, and humanity's responsibility to it. I had never made the connection until now, but this disaster must have solidified their 'mission' as a generation, to find ways to be more responsible to nature. Especially in combination with the fact that they were born during or shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis, so this tangible fear of the world ending any moment now, though possibly unconscious in most cases, must have sent them on their path to restore natural balance between humans and Earth.

SaturnFan, thank you for these incisive observations. Early Pluto in Virgo people born between 1956 and 1962, when the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred had the conjunction with Uranus. Then, a couple of years later, between 1964 and 1967, this group had Saturn opposing Uranus-Pluto. Then in 1971 and early 1972, this group had Saturn trine Pluto. So, yes, in general, but I think particularly those Pluto in Virgo people who also had Saturn in major aspect to Pluto must have felt and been sensitive to apocalyptic themes.

I was just reading how Eastern European papers on the effects of radiation on plants and animals had been lost when companies doing these studies went belly up after the break up of the Soviet Union. Later studies found deaths, mutations, and stunted growth in plants and animals many years after the disaster. Parallel to these biological effects, you're talking about psychological effects that continue to reverberate years later. This is all very thought provoking. Thanks!

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posted April 23, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
My mother has 6th house virgo pluto - earth singleton.

She has a chart full of pisces and aqua placements, and an impatient aries moon. But at work, she's astoundingly organized and she pays a tremendous amount of attention to the little details in order to make the end result "as perfect as possible" - her exact words. Her standards are high.


12muddy, I'm so glad you dropped in with your comments. The main reason why I wanted to start this thread is because there's plenty of discussion of Pluto aspects but very little on these threads, at least that I've seen, about Pluto in the signs and how this placement manifests in people's lives. Yours is an astute observation. This is exciting!

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posted April 23, 2015 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sagical:
My Pluto is at 27.58 of Virgo. Trine Saturn, Sextile Moon, Neptune and Jupiter. No harsh aspects.

I love nature and being outdoors. I'm not sure how concerned I am about the environment, but I do care about what I put in my body.

My causes are more with mental health, spirituality and healing. Working or being a peer aide to those who need help.


Sagical, I see. Health, healing, and service more in relation to people than the environment. But it sounds like the quality of food is important to you and there's a link to the environment. So much of our food supply is massively exposed to contaminants and now genetic engineering.

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You can also read on my blog how often I write about nature in principle and how it can and should better guide our lives in the way of balance.

I really enjoyed the article on your blog about gems for healing and balance. I also resonate with looking to nature as a source of healing and harmony.

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The view that sees primarily ruthless survival drives and cruel whim over anything else in nature is low-brow. I don't care how educated you are. This where the west needs to learn more from eastern cultures.

Agree. I also subscribe to the idea that our evolution required a separation out of the matrix of nature in order to develop an autonomous self, which without a doubt has had and is having negative consequences as a result of the predominant western world view. But I think this world view is undergoing a death-rebirth leading to a radical new understanding and reunification with nature at a higher turn of the spiral of evolution.

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I think Virgo is generally very instinctual, that in this mode the intuition is body-based and lets the masculine power of Pluto work in that feminine environment. Pluto was a chthonian, and works well in Virgo by pulling up from the depths of her resourcefulness.

Kannon, would you give an example of this?

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I'm capable of great frugality and utilitarian practicality, and prefer to live simply, seeing nature as the seat of resources, not human institutions like banks or mediums of exchange.


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The main reason why I wanted to start this thread is because there's plenty of discussion of Pluto aspects but very little on these threads, at least that I've seen, about Pluto in the signs and how this placement manifests in people's lives.

Absolutely! I'm so glad you started this thread, it's been very helpful to me in understanding my own parents (who both have Pluto in Virgo), even though I had studied their charts thoroughly, and also just do know them very well The generational placements are often dismissed, as far as I can see on this forum, but they are so significant! They do need more attention

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Sagical, I see. Health, healing, and service more in relation to people than the environment. But it sounds like the quality of food is important to you and there's a link to the environment. So much of our food supply is massively exposed to contaminants and now genetic engineering.

My mind has been on GMOs etc. I don't get into this much cause I find what the Gov'ts are doing to the environment etc. To be deeply upsetting and disturbing. This whole Monsanto thing severely urks me and at times I wished I lived in Europe. Or a place where they have banned GMOs.

I just focus on what is easier for me to do. I don't have to go out and protest or do a sit in for a better environment.....just ine simple act that I can do myself.

It deeply disturbs me that every day I see a smog cloud over my city. There is a reason I seek the fresh air out in the country. I get disgusted with litter and garbage all over the place.

Change can begin with one person, by doing small things that can help out a bigger cause.

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I think Virgo is generally very instinctual, that in this mode the intuition is body-based and lets the masculine power of Pluto work in that feminine environment. Pluto was a chthonian, and works well in Virgo by pulling up from the depths of her resourcefulness.

Kannon, would you give an example of this?


The intuition tends to be more instinctually grounded in body sensate processes, triggers feelings of aversion or comfort to say 'no' or 'yes' to something or someone. I also learned various types of applied kinesiology (muscle response tests) from a naturopath -- herself a Virgo.

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posted April 24, 2015 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The intuition tends to be more instinctually grounded in body sensate processes, triggers feelings of aversion or comfort to say 'no' or 'yes' to something or someone. I also learned various types of applied kinesiology (muscle response tests) from a naturopath -- herself a Virgo

I see now, thanks, Kannon. I'm glad I asked you because I was thinking of things like dowsing to find water underground, or Dr. Bach's discovery of flower remedies for healing and psychological well being.

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posted April 24, 2015 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm so glad you started this thread, it's been very helpful to me in understanding my own parents (who both have Pluto in Virgo), even though I had studied their charts thoroughly, and also just do know them very well

I'm glad to hear this!

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The generational placements are often dismissed, as far as I can see on this forum, but they are so significant! They do need more attention

Yes, and I would like to see a forum of its own for mundane and generational astrology focused more on social and global issues.

Since you have your parents in this generation, I'd like to ask if they have ever been activists or have they been more quiet about causes they're interested in. I'm wondering if the latter is more characteristic of Pluto in Virgo?

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I see now, thanks, Kannon. I'm glad I asked you because I was thinking of things like dowsing to find water underground, or Dr. Bach's discovery of flower remedies for healing and psychological well being.

Yes, things like that too.

I guess its my view that the Plutonian Virgo type is a bit more in tune with what lies deep in what is felt as the physical mechanism, with a preference for the inner sensed truth. Seems similar to me to the approach of another earthy type with Moon in Virgo, Alan Watts, who was known as an intellectual, but who had an astounding insight into the material-metaphysical interface of nature.

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Interesting topic. I only think outer planets influence personality when they make significant aspects to the inner planets.

But, if we're interpreting them by themselves, I think an outer planet is more about Universal forces, the greater good, our contribution as members of society. Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, in particular, are our views of society, whether it involves a need for progression (Uranus), a need for healing (Neptune), or a need for transformation (Pluto). So, I think, whatever sign Pluto is in, this is how you feel that the world should be transformed and how power should be dealt with.

Also, with Pluto, always consider what was happening during this transit and how that affects this generation's expression. Pluto in Virgo was the Civil Rights era. Organized movements, the empowerment of the little man, a call for improvement of society. So, this is how Pluto in Virgo people enact change. I think this generation might be the most highly (and sometimes severely) critical of the government. It's in their hands that, in order to transform, you must point out weaknesses and flaws. This is also why they are so focused on environmental issues.

Now, if Pluto in Virgo is making major aspects to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, or Mars (as well as the Rising, too), this attitude is going to affect one PERSONALLY. Your life, your choices, your outlook, your relationships, etc. The Pluto in Virgo outlook of change through criticism is directed more so toward oneself. The more aspects an outer planets make to the inner ones, the more it's expressed in a self-oriented way. Same thing goes for if the outer planet is in aspect to one of the angles, especially Ascendant or Midheaven.

Also, of course, factor in the house placement. This is why I think outer planets can never be analyzed in such an isolated way, more so than the inner ones. When you're talking about someone's Pluto, unless they happen to be a very Pluto-influenced person, you're not really talking about THEM. You're more so talking about the group that they're a part of. This is why Plutonians are so influential and powerful, especially around people their age. They know how to tap into the collective.

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Since you have your parents in this generation, I'd like to ask if they have ever been activists or have they been more quiet about causes they're interested in. I'm wondering if the latter is more characteristic of Pluto in Virgo?


hi peony - yes, definitely the latter. They see no point in activism ("Why bother?"), they prefer to do their own thing and find stability and happiness in their own personal world. We've had great clashes about that. They are deeply terrified when me or my brother (both with Pluto in Scorpio) start talking about our fascination with revolutions, current movements around the world, inevitable societal changes, etc. They believe in making sure your immediate environment is how you want it to be, instead of worrying about 'the whole world". And they are right, if everyone would watch their own business, the world would be a better place

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Interesting topic. I only think outer planets influence personality when they make significant aspects to the inner planets.

Yes, that's an often repeated idea, but I'm not convinced it's true. 12muddy's comment about her mom on this thread doesn't conform to that notion, and I don't think she's the only one.

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But, if we're interpreting them by themselves, I think an outer planet is more about Universal forces, the greater good, our contribution as members of society. Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, in particular, are our views of society, whether it involves a need for progression (Uranus), a need for healing (Neptune), or a need for transformation (Pluto). So, I think, whatever sign Pluto is in, this is how you feel that the world should be transformed and how power should be dealt with.

I haven't done a study on this, but I'd like to.

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Also, with Pluto, always consider what was happening during this transit and how that affects this generation's expression. Pluto in Virgo was the Civil Rights era. Organized movements, the empowerment of the little man, a call for improvement of society. So, this is how Pluto in Virgo people enact change. I think this generation might be the most highly (and sometimes severely) critical of the government. It's in their hands that, in order to transform, you must point out weaknesses and flaws. This is also why they are so focused on environmental issues.

I'm not sure I understand you correctly. But, the correlations you mention that took place during the 1960s have to do with the Uranus-Pluto conjunction, and not specifically Pluto in Virgo. It's not clear to me how the Pluto in Virgo interfaces with the conjunction that defined the 1960s, except the concern for the environment (Pluto in Virgo) which dovetails with the liberation of nature under Uranus-Pluto.

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The more aspects an outer planets make to the inner ones, the more it's expressed in a self-oriented way. Same thing goes for if the outer planet is in aspect to one of the angles, especially Ascendant or Midheaven.

Maybe you're right. I think it may also be true that people who have the inner planets in major aspect to Pluto in Virgo, in this case, may be more attuned to this archetypal energy and that the archetype may have a decisive role in their destiny. These are the people whose contributions are so influential in terms of the collective consciousness and who make their mark on history. I'm thinking of someone like Nietzsche or Jung.

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When you're talking about someone's Pluto, unless they happen to be a very Pluto-influenced person, you're not really talking about THEM. You're more so talking about the group that they're a part of. This is why Plutonians are so influential and powerful, especially around people their age. They know how to tap into the collective.

I don't think I agree with you. Again, I realize this is just one example but it's an example that's close at hand. Look at 12muddy's comment on this thread. Her mom's Pluto isn't about her as an individual?

And, in some people the generational influence is a "dumb note." For them, broad social and global issues aren't even on their radar screen. It's their personal lives that matter to them.

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Lana Wachowski and Andrew Paul "Andy" Wachowski, known as the Wachowskis, are American film directors who achieved fame with their second film, The Matrix (1999) which was followed by two sequels in 2003: The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions. They also wrote and produced V for Vendetta (2006), Cloud Atlas (released in 2012), and Jupiter Ascending, their most recent film which debuted this year.

Born in 1965 and 1967 respectively, Lana and Andy Wachowski have Pluto in Virgo conjunct Uranus and opposing Saturn. This configuration is clearly visible in the Matrix, which climaxes in the showdown between Neo (Uranus-Pluto) and Mr. Smith (Saturn). The film exhibits ground-breaking special effects (Uranus-Pluto in Virgo) and delivers a subversive message about the social and political status quo.

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Cleve Backster discovers that plants have feelings, are telepathic, and can distinguish between true and false intentions!

Grover Cleveland "Cleve" Backster, Jr., an interrogation specialist for the CIA, became famous in 1966 for his discovery using a lie detector that plants have emotional activities like human beings. In one experiment, Backster thought of burning the leaves of a plant. He found that leaves connected to a lie detector reacted strongly before he even got the match. When he returned with the match, the leaves reacted strongly again. Interestingly, when Backster hesitated to burn the plant or if he pretended like he was going to do so, the plant had virtually no reaction. In other words, the plant was able to distinguish between true and false intentions!

In another experiment, Backster asked six blindfolded students to draw lots from a hat. One student was instructed to uproot one of the two plants in the room and destroy it. The "murderer's" identity was unknown to all including Backster so that the remaining plant would not sense who the "killer" was from anyone's thoughts. Only the second plant was a witness.

The remaining plant was then hooked up to the lie detector and each student passed by the plant. There was no reaction when five of the students walked past the plant. But when the "murderer" passed by, there was a strong reaction as the electronic pen started moving frantically! The test showed that plants can identify people.

Backster's discoveries changed his life forever.

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Peony,

Thanks for your thoughts! You're always so thoughtful.

My take on Pluto in Virgo and what happened in the 1960's is just something that I've noticed. Whatever sign Pluto is in, it always brings massive changes to society throughout that period in things regarding that sign.

If you look at Pluto in Virgo, it first occurred in the late 50's. These are when the first true Civil Rights instances began. The culture was feeling the affects of the Brown vs. Board of Education case, the incident at Central High in Little Rock, etc. Rosa Parks set her example. It kept simmering and simmering but I think it really exploded when Uranus hit Pluto, in the mid-1960's. This is when MLK and Malcolm X both became very prevalent in our culture, as well as when organized protests and marches for Civil Rights became increasingly powerful. So, I think the Uranus-Pluto conjunction was responible for the unavoidable rise of the Civil Rights movement. But, it had been happening all throughout Pluto in Virgo.

Also, I will agree to disagree with you, somewhat. I just think that the outer planets are felt more through houses and aspects. If a person is very Neptunian, Uranian, Plutonian, etc., then it shows up in their personality. But, otherwise, yes, the outer planets can be a slight dumb note.

I am Pluto in Scorpio and there are people my age who are not AT ALL Scorpio-like, at least not in their personality. They don't look below the surface, they're not intense, they don't need to "die and be reborn." But, I've always had these intense, obsessive personality traits, due to Pluto squaring my Sun and being conjunct my Moon. But, to say that a planet like Pluto could affect EVERYONE in the generation on an individual level seems like too much of a generalization to me.

In the case of 12muddy's mother, I definitely think that having Pluto in Virgo in the house of Virgo is what allows those traits to manifest so powerfully. Pluto in the 6th House people already gain intense power from being super-organized. With Pluto in Virgo, that's just going to amplify those traits. Yet, I know many totally disorganized Pluto in Virgo people, not just on a physical level but a mental level.

However, I do think that Pluto traits can influence the way a group of people the same age, with the same Pluto, interact together and think alike. It's a subtle kind of feeling. I think this is why it's usually easy to understand those of your generation because you've been conditioned by different trends and movements. Like, with Pluto in Scorpio people. I'd say the generational trend for us is having so much access to others' personal information, through social media and the like. So, our generational trend is snooping. I mean, we do call looking at another person's Facebook material "stalking".

So, those Scorpio qualities, for many Pluto in Scorpio people, are not necessarily a personality thing. But, analyzing someone's Facebook status or Googling people to get the dirt on them is something that people my age sort of generally express. It might have nothing to do with the individual, per se. In fact, they might find themselves weirded out by being so obsessive and stalker-y, unless they are Plutonian, of course. But, it's like this thing that all people our age do or have done, so they find themselves swept up in it. And many of us understand when we see others doing it.

I hope that all make sense. So, I feel like you can apply the same to Pluto in Virgo. Many people of this generation can do Virgo-like things; maybe by criticizing the government online or taking part in a protest to stop something from being torn down. But, it's more of a group thing. That has little to do with them, as a person, unless they are actually strongly Pluto.

YET, this is just my opinion.

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Peony,

Thanks for your thoughts! You're always so thoughtful.

My take on Pluto in Virgo and what happened in the 1960's is just something that I've noticed. Whatever sign Pluto is in, it always brings massive changes to society throughout that period in things regarding that sign.

If you look at Pluto in Virgo, it first occurred in the late 50's. These are when the first true Civil Rights instances began. The culture was feeling the affects of the Brown vs. Board of Education case, the incident at Central High in Little Rock, etc. Rosa Parks set her example. It kept simmering and simmering but I think it really exploded when Uranus hit Pluto, in the mid-1960's. This is when MLK and Malcolm X both became very prevalent in our culture, as well as when organized protests and marches for Civil Rights became increasingly powerful. So, I think the Uranus-Pluto conjunction was responible for the unavoidable rise of the Civil Rights movement. But, it had been happening all throughout Pluto in Virgo.

Also, I will agree to disagree with you, somewhat. I just think that the outer planets are felt more through houses and aspects. If a person is very Neptunian, Uranian, Plutonian, etc., then it shows up in their personality. But, otherwise, yes, the outer planets can be a slight dumb note.

I am Pluto in Scorpio and there are people my age who are not AT ALL Scorpio-like, at least not in their personality. They don't look below the surface, they're not intense, they don't need to "die and be reborn." But, I've always had these intense, obsessive personality traits, due to Pluto squaring my Sun and being conjunct my Moon. But, to say that a planet like Pluto could affect EVERYONE in the generation on an individual level seems like too much of a generalization to me.

In the case of 12muddy's mother, I definitely think that having Pluto in Virgo in the house of Virgo is what allows those traits to manifest so powerfully. Pluto in the 6th House people already gain intense power from being super-organized. With Pluto in Virgo, that's just going to amplify those traits. Yet, I know many totally disorganized Pluto in Virgo people, not just on a physical level but a mental level.

However, I do think that Pluto traits can influence the way a group of people the same age, with the same Pluto, interact together and think alike. It's a subtle kind of feeling. I think this is why it's usually easy to understand those of your generation because you've been conditioned by different trends and movements. Like, with Pluto in Scorpio people. I'd say the generational trend for us is having so much access to others' personal information, through social media and the like. So, our generational trend is snooping. I mean, we do call looking at another person's Facebook material "stalking".

So, those Scorpio qualities, for many Pluto in Scorpio people, are not necessarily a personality thing. But, analyzing someone's Facebook status or Googling people to get the dirt on them is something that people my age sort of generally express. It might have nothing to do with the individual, per se. In fact, they might find themselves weirded out by being so obsessive and stalker-y, unless they are Plutonian, of course. But, it's like this thing that all people our age do or have done, so they find themselves swept up in it. And many of us understand when we see others doing it.

I hope that all make sense. So, I feel like you can apply the same to Pluto in Virgo. Many people of this generation can do Virgo-like things; maybe by criticizing the government online or taking part in a protest to stop something from being torn down. But, it's more of a group thing. That has little to do with them, as a person, unless they are actually strongly Pluto.

YET, this is just my opinion.


Freespirit, thank you for YOUR thoughtful response! By your getting down into the weeds a little bit more and giving specific examples, it clarified a lot for me. I especially appreciate your point that Pluto was in Virgo a few years before Uranus conjoined it. I appreciate the point about your Pluto in Scorpio group's way of digging for information, and other points you made too. You helped me to look at this with a more precise eye and I love precision! Now I want to take a look at your blog!

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