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MoonBunny
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posted April 23, 2015 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know there have been a lot of discussions about loyalty and the moons, and I also know that Cancer Moon gets brought up a lot. So I wanted to share my thoughts on it. First here are my aspects to my Cancer Moon.

I was born a 4th House Cancer Moon
-Conjunct IC
-Conjunct Lucifer (just noticed this today!)
-Trine Mercury in Pisces (Retrograde 12th house)
- Square Venus in Aries (12th house)
-Opposite MC in Capricorn

It is true that at least in my experience as a Cancer Moon, that we are the type of loyal that will not ask questions and comfort right away no matter if our loved one is right or wrong (Just like Ami Anne mentioned in her post). Personally, I think because of my venus-square to my moon that I have trouble comforting people physically sometimes, but I still manage to give a lot of love.

The problem with our kind of 'loyalty' is that it is hard on us to give and a lot of times not reasonable to expect the same love in return when we need it. When I am upset (especially in my teen days) I would be so so deeply hurt if my friends/family didn't comfort me and take my 'side' right away, even if I was wrong. I just couldn't see right or wrong, all I could see is that I am hurting and need my friends/family to hug me and tell me I'm awesome and that they love me. I have to say I haven't had this reciprocated very often.

Altering losing a lot of friends (and I admit I am the one who ended it with them sadly enough), I eventually came to see this as a really painful ongoing theme in my life of disappointment in my loved ones when I needed them. So of course I really did a lot of work on myself to get to the point where I have more realistic expectations of people, and of myself as well. I try to find the message of my descendant in Libra, balance. Now I have grown to value my more objective friends. I can understand that when they don't always take my 'side' that they are most of the time doing it for my own good, so I can grow. It is their way of showing their love and care, because of course every moon is loving (just in different ways). Also, I try not to unhealthy give all of myself to someone when they are saddened, and also try to pass on more 'hard to hear/realistic' advice to them. Of course mixed in with some warm in fuzzy feelings, but not to the point where I am going to be giving too much of myself.

I guess my main theme here is to share the biggest struggle I've had with a Cancer Moon is just dealing with the high cancerian expectations of love. We love soooo much and so deep and we want every drop of it reciprocated, no matter what. Its so beautiful, yet so painful and demanding on ourselves and others. I just followed my Sun in Sag mummy's advice, that expectations are the downfall of all relationships. Yeah its not a hundred percent true, but I do believe that we can't always expect equal amounts of everything back after we give of ourselves.

After thought (I always have these!) --> maybe this is all a defense mechanism of Cancer Moon, to harden to feel safe again. I don't feel hard though! I really feel much happier!

Those are my thoughts, and I'd love to hear from other Cancer Moons!! Plus anyone else who wants to add anything on the subject. All discussion is welcomed !!

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posted April 23, 2015 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the upshot from what I learned recently. I will NEVER allow someone close to me who does not see loyalty as I do. That means that I will only allow someone close to me who has what *I* call a loyal moon, which is Cappy, Cancer, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus, although Saggi seems as if they are, too. I just don't know too many.

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posted April 23, 2015 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your reply Ami. What do you mean by upshot?? I can understand your stance, I really do. I guess I just chose a different way to cope with it. This may be because I have never been around many watery people in my life. Care to add anything else on the subject of Cancer Moon??

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posted April 23, 2015 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, did you grow up with a lot of people with heavy water in their charts?? Just curious!

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posted April 23, 2015 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
Thank you for your reply Ami. What do you mean by upshot?? I can understand your stance, I really do. I guess I just chose a different way to cope with it. This may be because I have never been around many watery people in my life. Care to add anything else on the subject of Cancer Moon??

Upshot is the result. The result of what I learned recently.

I have an article on cancer Moon that I will put on here for you, my Friend.

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posted April 23, 2015 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh okay, just never knew that expression. I'd love to read your article. Thanks!

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Ami Anne
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posted April 23, 2015 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
Also, did you grow up with a lot of people with heavy water in their charts?? Just curious!

My mother is low water. My father is heavy water and I have a good chart with him and a simpatico. We have a great synastry, in general, MB

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posted April 23, 2015 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer is not evil, as many people think, but spiritual pride, not wanting to bow one's knee to God.

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posted April 23, 2015 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer Moon


The gods gifted the Cancer Moon. She will have empathy in overflowing doses. This is a wonderful attribute because empathy is REALLY what makes us human. Cancer Moons are loyal to a fault, if loyalty can be a fault and I don’t think it can. Of course, this is said by a Cancer Moon. Cancer Moon is the stuff of which old fashioned values are made. These current times are so “plastic banana and good time rock and roll” that one must look long and hard to find a trace of authenticity. One need look no further than a Cancer Moon. She embodies the endearing attributes of the ages: loyalty, devotion, and love of family and friends.

The Cancer Moon is very intuitive, with a manner of intuition which can be called gut intuition.The Cancer Moon may have stomach issues because her stomach is “oh so sensitive”

The Cancer Moon native is kind. She understands pain and she does not want to inflict it on others. She is rarely a bully. One of her most positive traits is the lengths to which she will go if someone hurts a loved one. She will race out, beak leading and peck the offender to death( or close) If it is not death, she will leave enough bruises to make the offender not want to tangle with her again.

Cancer is a cardinal sign. For all her tears and sensitivity, if one hurts a member of her nest, she will have a metamorphosis into a creature one would not want to meet in a dark alley. She chooses her nest carefully. One must show oneself worthy to be admitted. However, like all select clubs, one is privileged to belong. One will have a place to rest in this tumultuous world.One will have a place in which one belongs. There will, always, be a kind shoulder on which to cry and a warm cup of soup, which has been simmering on the stove all day. *Sigh* Not so shabby.

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posted April 23, 2015 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's nice that you had a water-dad around!!
Thanks for the information about Lucifer. At first I was a little surprised when I saw it sitting right next to my moon. It makes sense. I have never been religious, it just never felt comfortable for me. Maybe this plays a factor. I've read also around lindaland that it can bring light to certain areas of your life. I also think this explain how good I feel when I play music, since he was the angel of music and all.

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posted April 23, 2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a lovely vibe to you, MB

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posted April 23, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article! I feel it is a gift, yet a big challenge as well to have this moon. I hate to say it but sometimes I don't want to feel so much. I don't want to be so emo all the time lol. Yes we do have loads of empathy lying around always. We are not always a good fit for people who need space lol. Although I have gotten way way way better lately with that.

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posted April 23, 2015 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww Thank you Ami!!!

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posted April 23, 2015 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MoonBunny, I can really appreciate what you've come to understand about your moon. I am a Cancer Sun/Venus, not moon. My mother is an 8th house Cancer Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus, and SN. For many years I watched her live with the grief of disappointment, and then the fear of experiencing that disappointment again- ALL this pain from her own expectations. As brilliant as she is, she has been paralyzed by her own grief and fear.

As a Taurus Moon, Cancer Sun, I know all about needing to trust before I can truly open up, but from my mother I've learned that in order to die, having truly lived, I have to accept and even embrace the risk of being let down. You can be smart, but you can't avoid pain. Pain and suffering are a part of life and offer refinement- like the iron in the fire.

Cancer at its best is understanding emotion, not being lost in emotion and fear. It is an incredible gift to be able to understand where someone is coming from and why they are the way they are. It's a gift to have the choice of offering help and nurturing.

One thing I dislike about Cancers is how it's always said we are nurturing, and giving, etc. No. That's not true. Unless we can be responsible with our emotions, we are just using what comes naturally to us to blackmail others emotionally.

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posted April 23, 2015 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus2tinkerbell,


Wow thank you for sharing!! You are spot on! Yeah I had to let go of those expectations, they were going to destroy me and not allow me to give truly to my fullest. Its' great that you got to learn from you mom, its a great lesson to have for anyone with heavy cancer in their charts.

About the giving thing, I see what you mean. I am not universally giving, but I am giving to a select few individuals. Nurturing, well again not universally. Yeah the other few Cancer influenced people I know at my job are not people I feel comfortable going to if I have a problem. I do agree though that the best quality we have is also some what of a guilty pleasure. You are right the emotions have got to be in balance for it to be honest, I totally agree!!

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posted April 23, 2015 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also yes like you I have just said Okay I will most likely feel pain, its normal like you said. Its very freeing!

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posted April 23, 2015 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aww Thank you Ami!!!


You are most welcome, my Friend!

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posted April 24, 2015 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
Great article! I feel it is a gift, yet a big challenge as well to have this moon. I hate to say it but sometimes I don't want to feel so much. I don't want to be so emo all the time lol. Yes we do have loads of empathy lying around always. We are not always a good fit for people who need space lol. Although I have gotten way way way better lately with that.


Since it is in it's home, I feel it as a total gift. I bet you have some aspects to it which cause problems. Put up your chart AStro.com style. Let's see what your moon does.

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posted April 24, 2015 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonBunny:
Also, I try not to unhealthy give all of myself to someone when they are saddened, and also try to pass on more 'hard to hear/realistic' advice to them. Of course mixed in with some warm in fuzzy feelings, but not to the point where I am going to be giving too much of myself.

We love soooo much and so deep and we want every drop of it reciprocated, no matter what. Its so beautiful, yet so painful and demanding on ourselves and others. We can't always expect equal amounts of everything back after we give of ourselves.


People are simply drawn to Cancer Moons. No way around it.

When times get tough, when they need nurturing, need cheering up, need help feeling "whole" again...it's usually us that they call. When we care for people, we REALLY care! We don't bullsh*t around like most people do! It's simply a Natural Instinct for a Cancer Moon to bring you that bottle of wine after a long day, listen attentively to that co-worker who feels mistreated, pull that friend back up after heartbreak or loss, think of *all* the small things that will make you feel LOVED in general.

^^Now why exactly should we not get that back in return? Why exactly should we keep settling for less? I totally realize that not everyone is capable of doing what we do and I completely agree that "keeping score" is unwise. However, we deserve better. Truly we do! We should not constantly be mothering people who hardly ever do a damn thing in return for us. No, noo, NO!

More people will suck your well dry, instead of bring water to fill your well back up! Which is *not* alright. In order to be my friend, lover, confidante, etc you MUST be bringing something to the table because *I* am equipped with a helluva lot to give and I refuse to have relationships/partnerships that are unbalanced anymore.

So yes, boundaries MUST be established in order to retain our Happiness. Some people have to be let go. Most people will take our kindness & support for granted...then get extremely upset when we call them on it. And I call people on it often now! Sorry, NOT sorry! Many people aren't intentionally hurting us. But their *lack* of thoughtfulness, consideration and reciprocation (about the small things) is what hurts. Period! Don't be such a self-absorbed person that you forget that we'd like these things in return also. If I'm considerate 90% of the time and you only think of me 30% of the time - we got a problem, babe. Common sense ain't so common anymore, huh?

As for loyalty...I'm quite loyal. But I will not be loyal to a damn fool. And I will NOT be loyal to someone that isn't equally loyal to me in return. If you do right by me, I'm the best friend that you will ever, EVER find on this planet. No doubt about it! If you do something stupid, I'll talk with you about it in private and set your silly a** straight lol. But in public, I'll still have your back! I wont kiss your butt, but I'll support you. Why would I call you my friend and throw you to the wolves just because I disagree with you?? If you do that to people you say you love, you definitely are NOT loyal. Sorry, not sorry!

It's not enough to be a "decent" friend to me, if I am an "amazing" one to you.

I'm done now. I think lol.

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posted April 24, 2015 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not be loyal to a damn fool. And I will NOT be loyal to someone that isn't equally loyal to me in return. If you do right by me, I'm the best friend that you will ever, EVER find on this planet. No doubt about it! If you do something stupid, I'll talk with you about it in private and set your silly a** straight lol. But in public, I'll still have your back! I wont kiss your butt, but I'll support you. Why would I call you my friend and throw you to the wolves just because I disagree with you?? If you do that to people you say you love, you definitely are NOT loyal. Sorry, not sorry!

It's not enough to be a "decent" friend to me, if I am an "amazing" one to you.

I'm done now. I think lol.

OMG THIS IS IT!!!! I could take all my loyal moon articles and throw them out and put this on!

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posted April 24, 2015 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancer Moon Power!

I keep posting pics lately lol


I've seen all of your recent Moon articles, Ami. And although a couple of them caused controversy, I ultimately understood what you were saying, lady. I'm glad that I could better help you express your thoughts about this.

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posted April 24, 2015 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonBunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LovelyAries86 lol you made me smile!!! I certainly understand you and Ami's view 100 percent. I feel like this is a Cancer Moon Party/ support group now lol!! (which is awesome!)

Ami here is my chart, with some asteroids I have been playing around with.

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posted April 24, 2015 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest harassment has been over my loyal moon articles. I MAINTAIN my stance even more due to the very people who harassed me the most over them.

Loyal Moons see loyalty in a way that non loyal Moons do not.

However, non loyal Moons do not SEE themselves as non loyal. To themselves, they are.

They define loyalty differently than what I call "loyal moons"

Hence, one needs to pick the Moons that define loyalty as you do before one gets close to the person imo

I will from now on!

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posted April 24, 2015 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen all of your recent Moon articles, Ami. And although a couple of them caused controversy, I ultimately understood what you were saying, lady. I'm glad that I could better help you express your thoughts about this.

Thank you, LA. I could be politically correct and couch everything in terms that would not get anyone angry but that is life with a diet of cottage cheese for all meals. I can't do it.

Also, for every person who does not like it ten people tell me that they trust me and respect me for having the courage to be honest.

Moreover, I like myself because I force myself to be genuine and hence, I am an authentic person( or struggle to be one because it is hard for everyone!)

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posted April 24, 2015 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will look later, MB! xx

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