posted November 29, 2014 07:50 PM            

This is kind of out of my usual astrological wonderings so I'm wondering some of you enlightened ones can address this topic.

posted November 29, 2014 08:34 PM            

I couldn't be a police officer, not in their current form. I would of liked to have been a detective but you have to do at least 5 years of patrol work as a police officer to become a detective and I don't relish the idea of dealing with buttheads.

I just see the whole thing as a mixed bag. Some cases there should be rioting, and other cases I feel like everyones mad at the wrong police officer for the actions of earlier cops.

Uranus in Capricorn is definitely a good reason.

posted November 29, 2014 08:43 PM            

I don`t live in the US so I can`t judge it well.. I only get it from the news..

posted November 30, 2014 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Hey guys,

This is kind of out of my usual astrological wonderings so I'm wondering some of you enlightened ones can address this topic.

What's going on with all the negativity toward the police? What are the astrological aspects creating these power tensions?

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Firstly, the negativity towards police is something that has built up from years of abuses of power by police all over the country. I'm assuming you are from the US and commenting on what is going on here.

Astrologically, it is seen in the Uranus-Pluto square which hits the USA chart this way:
- Pluto at about 12 Capricorn squaring the US Sun 13 Cancer; and squaring US Saturn 14 Libra.
- Uranus about 12 Aries Rx squaring the US Sun; also opposite the US Saturn.
There are other parts to this, but that is enough to show the tensions building between liberty and concentrations of power with civil and legal authorities.

Police have been given the benefit of the doubt in both court proceedings and internal inquiries for decades and in more recent times people have become fed up with it. The notion of 'innocent until proved guilty' has been extended far enough to erode proper accountability by those who are supposed to simply enforce the law. In addition many police forces have long hidden KKK members who have been able to give beat downs to people of color in official capacity and received protection from the thin blue line brotherhood.

This is an ugly side of American law enforcement that has not been well enough exposed, but the exposure has begun.

In addition, the Pentagon (Dept. of Defense) has been giving away surplus functioning military equipment under its 'Excess Property Program' to local law enforcement agencies. These agencies have been requesting and receiving grenade launchers, tanks, and other weapons and tools of war and using them on citizens. A bipartisan move in Congress to de-militarize police forces has begun.

You should keep in mind that Ferguson, MO is a small town of only 20,000 people. What is that police force doing with riot gear and tanks?

Former Seattle police Norm Stamper addressed the harm in militarization of our police forces in his book 'Breaking Rank.' This is not new and it should not be news to any thinking American.

posted November 30, 2014 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

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Chaos at home (tURANUS on IC), and a stifling sense of manipulative power over our individual rights (tPLUTO in 1H), opposing our natural sense of equality (nSUN in 7H), and moral rightness and leadership (nSATURN on MC).

Tension is ripe, for certain.

posted November 30, 2014 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Hey guys,

This is kind of out of my usual astrological wonderings so I'm wondering some of you enlightened ones can address this topic.

What's going on with all the negativity toward the police? What are the astrological aspects creating these power tensions?

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Excessive force by the police has been an ongoing problem without redress for a generation, with cases far more egregious than the one in Ferguson. The ongoing square of Pluto and Uranus *might* have helped bring things to a head.

posted November 30, 2014 12:23 PM            

This is nothing new; it has been happening for decades if not centuries, although the frequency of police killings of unarmed, minimally armed, and/or mentally ill citizens does seem to be increasing (there are no good statistics on the phenomenon, believe it or not).

I, for one, am glad to see a glimmer of hope that the activism of the 60s and 70s will return. We have been far too passive against government intrusion into and control of our lives the last decade or two, and too ready to accept the lie that we are a post-racial society. It's sad to think of all the young adults who have known no other way.

posted November 30, 2014 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:

I, for one, am glad to see a glimmer of hope that the activism of the 60s and 70s will return. We have been far too passive against government intrusion into and control of our lives the last decade or two, and too ready to accept the lie that we are a post-racial society. It's sad to think of all the young adults who have known no other way.

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Exactly.

My generation is now taking the torch from those who fought for justice in the 60's & 70's. Passivity is never the way to go.

It's about damn time. Long overdue.

posted November 30, 2014 08:16 PM            

I'd have to partially disagree. You're right there doesn't need to be an astrological explanation for everything but this being an astrology forum one can only be so curious. But the part I may disagree with is that I think there is an astrological explanation for everything but that depends on your beliefs.

But man this was interesting. It's the first time I've seen the USA natal chart and it is very fitting. And the current generational aspects are also very significant coupled with a generation that has its Uranus in Capricorn this could create some interesting times.

Do many people find the natal chart of nations accurate?

tUranus in Aries would be the one to stir up some issues when opposing Saturn. Very cool that the US has its MC conjunct Saturn in Libra - talk about the pursuit of liberty and equality... now the maintaining of that has been another unfortunate story.

posted November 30, 2014 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
"I don't believe there is or should be an astrological explanation for everything, although the chart and explanations posted so far seem to be reasonable."

I'd have to partially disagree. You're right there doesn't need to be an astrological explanation for everything but this being an astrology forum one can only be so curious. But the part I may disagree with is that I think there is an astrological explanation for everything but that depends on your beliefs.

But man this was interesting. It's the first time I've seen the USA natal chart and it is very fitting. And the current generational aspects are also very significant coupled with a generation that has its Uranus in Capricorn this could create some interesting times.

Do many people find the natal chart of nations accurate?

tUranus in Aries would be the one to stir up some issues when opposing Saturn. Very cool that the US has its MC conjunct Saturn in Libra - talk about the pursuit of liberty and equality... now the maintaining of that has been another unfortunate story.

Pluto opposing the Sun, is that a power trip? Especially Pluto in Capricorn(authority) opposing Sun in Cancer which should express more of a nurturing nature. I'm kinda surprised the US has so many Cancer placements. You would think a nation born with so many aspects in Cancer would be more nurturing in its world role. But then again even good intentions can go awfully awry. All those planets in the 7th house makes it no surprise we run rampant around the world.

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I easily see the Cancer influence. The States tend to operate on taking the hurt and wounded "under its wing". Retro MERCURY is an indicator that the country's intentions are sometimes misconstrued or misinterpreted. That is evident in the world, as well.

posted November 30, 2014 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Exactly.

My generation is now taking the torch from those who fought for justice in the 60's & 70's. Passivity is never the way to go.

It's about damn time. Long overdue.

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I'm inclined to disagree with you both. I feel racial problems persist because people keep talking about and making an issue out of them. The seeds of bigotry begin the moment the older generation opens their mouth in front of impressionable youth. A young child probably would have never doubted the police wouldn't do their job solely on the basis of their skin color unless the notion was suggested beforehand (whether it's true of the particular officer or not). We live in a lawfully equal society - this isn't the Dark Ages, anymore. Give the young generation the chance to mould their own future devoid of the older generation's misgivings.

posted December 01, 2014 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I'm inclined to disagree with you both. I feel racial problems persist because people keep talking about and making an issue out of them. The seeds of bigotry begin the moment the older generation opens their mouth in front of impressionable youth. A young child probably would have never doubted the police wouldn't do their job solely on the basis of their skin color unless the notion was suggested beforehand (whether it's true of the particular officer or not). We live in a lawfully equal society - this isn't the Dark Ages, anymore. Give the young generation the chance to mould their own future devoid of the older generation's misgivings.

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Racism, sexism, etc most certainly still DOES exist. There have been great improvements over the years, but you still have people who are now fighting to take us BACKWARDS - including crooked cops.

You are completely oblivious. And that 'denial' is a huge part of why the problem isn't yet solved.

Goodnight.

posted December 01, 2014 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
but you still have people who are now fighting to take us BACKWARDS

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posted December 01, 2014 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Racism, sexism, etc most certainly still DOES exist. There have been great improvements over the years, but you still have people who are now fighting to take us BACKWARDS - including crooked cops.

You are completely oblivious. And that 'denial' is a huge part of why the problem isn't yet solved.

Goodnight.

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Just because I disagree with you, I'm "oblivious" and in "denial"? I'm sorry if I offended you, but the insults are wholly unnecessary. Moreover, I never denied the existence of persisting bigotry to begin with.

I live in the South, where there is a high population of non-whites. I encounter racial mixing in my everyday life. I do not live in a pristine bubble, separated from the problem. But I believe there is a different solution to it. Children are born pure, naive, and free from bigotry. That behavior is taught to them by their older relatives, by the irresponsible things parents allow their children to see, and by a lack of pro-active child rearing. Negative reinforcement is much easier to apply and stick into a child's psyche.

posted December 01, 2014 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Racism, sexism, etc most certainly still DOES exist. There have been great improvements over the years, but you still have people who are now fighting to take us BACKWARDS - including crooked cops.

You are completely oblivious. And that 'denial' is a huge part of why the problem isn't yet solved.

Goodnight.

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so true...
but some think that colorblindness exists (lol) and that if we stop talking about stuff...it will go away.
sure, let's stop talking about sexual harassment, assaults and rapes...and....they'll def. go away
there are two types of laws, the law in the books and the law of the beholder.

posted December 01, 2014 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Just because I disagree with you, I'm "oblivious" and in "denial"? I'm sorry if I offended you, but the insults are wholly unnecessary. Moreover, I never denied the existence of persisting bigotry to begin with.

I live in the South, where there is a high population of non-whites. I encounter racial mixing in my everyday life. I do not live in a pristine bubble, separated from the problem. But I believe there is a different solution to it. Children are born pure, naive, and free from bigotry. That behavior is taught to them by their older relatives, by the irresponsible things parents allow their children to see, and by a lack of pro-active child rearing. Negative reinforcement is much easier to apply and stick into a child's psyche.

The laws were already fixed decades ago. We just need to solve our own attitude problems in the present. And that means not forcing the children to carry on the current and past generations' grudges.

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posted December 01, 2014 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
What we are seeing is the start of the new age and the failure of the dark cabal to continue bring able to hide their corruption and darkness. The darkness and filth of this world is now out on display for all to see so that they may finally stand up and say enough is enough. This is all according to divine plan and we are witnessing the death of old 3d fear-based earth while simultaneously participating in and watching the birth of 5d Nova earth based in love. The cabal (or Illuminati as they are known) and their system will fall much quicker than anyone is expecting (as in next year) so no, this is unlike anything we have witnessed or anything anyone alive has witnessed. Rejoice, for the Age of Aquarius is upon us and disclosure will happen next year (in may) so all is well.

On disclosure BTW, I and many starseed friends have been discussing this and we have all been told by our guides that mid may will be when the governments of the world publicly acknowledge the existence of the many e.t. races and civilizations that are participating in the building of new earth at this time and they will publicly disclose their relations with the e.t.s they have met. This event alone will completely change the earth and will completely harrald the death of the old earth (thank ******* God)!!!!

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posted December 01, 2014 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
I'm kinda surprised the US has so many Cancer placements. You would think a nation born with so many aspects in Cancer would be more nurturing in its world role. But then again even good intentions can go awfully awry. All those planets in the 7th house makes it no surprise we run rampant around the world.

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Not me. The dark side of Cancer can be unquestioning patriotism to one side with caution to outright fear of others outside of it which can translate at all sorts of oppression and militarism...done to protect the interests of the correct race, religion, faction, family, social class, and/or nation of course (that is to nurture one's group at the expense of everyone else, especially if Cancer fears those not of his or her group identity).