posted May 02, 2015 04:14 AM            

In my view...both Faith and Science play a role in our lives. Both Tradition and Progression. That whole "Either" "Or" mentality doesn't make much sense to me and I do not subscribe to it. I'm proud of the fact that our Generation demands that Faith/Religion/Spirituality get back to its authentic roots! Phoniness, corruption, etc are absolutely unacceptable to us...and we MEAN IT.

I read the article below and it really resonated with me so I wanted to share it. Take a look!

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"Recently I saw an article the CNN website that dovetailed very nicely with some of my findings. Evans’ article deals with the attitude of this younger generation toward religion. What the study revealed was that people in this group regarded the evangelical churches as too political and too divisive. Moreover, this Neptune in Capricorn generation is not on board the flight from science, rationality and, most of all, compassion we see in so many evangelical churches. They don’t want to have to choose between evolution and their faith. Nor do they want to belong to an organization that excludes and denigrates their gay and lesbian friends.

The study also showed that the techniques used by churches to bring in previous generations of young people are not working with this generation. This Neptune in Capricorn generation is not impressed by Christian rock or bible coffee houses or “cool” youth ministers. The study showed that they were actually drawn to a more traditional approach to religion and moving back to the older, established churches where faith is nurtured through ancient rituals and time tested ceremonies rather than “born-again” ecstasies.

When I wrote about the Neptune in Capricorn generation a couple of years ago I wasn't sure what to say about religion. It seemed that Neptune’s call for spirituality and Capricorn’s practicality would cancel one another out. But I did predict a return to traditional religions. After all, Capricorn is in tune with all things old. Also I felt this generation would have little patience with religious extremism.

Another thing I predicted for this generation was that they would be revolutionary because they will demand that government and other institution do their job. What Evans’ article reveals is that this hardnosed attitude extends to religion. For the Neptune in Capricorn generation religious institutions need to do their job, and the primary “job” of churches has always been charity and service to the less fortunate. For this group faith is demonstrated by acts of sacrifice and compassion, not ideology or political clout."
www.goodgollyastrolo gy.com/68-front-page-blog-articles/general-astrology-articles-on-gga/680-the-neptune-in-capricorn-generation-gets-religion.html

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posted May 02, 2015 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
Interesting. Speaking from a nep in sag cap sun-merc individual, ive always put it like this. You can convince me almost anything *could* exist with a good enough argument, and in that sense I am spiritual, but never that anything *does* exist without tested, concrete evidence, and in that sense Im scientific. Above all, Im philosophical. Do *we* exist?: I think, therefore I am.

No cognitive dissonance, there.

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I definitely believe in many things...including God. I don't question his existence, but rather the wicked practices of many people who *claim* to be Believers. I cannot stomach evil acts "in the name of Jesus", so to speak.

There is a place for Religion if it comes from a pure place of wanting to improve ourselves, serve others, connect to the universe - without personal gain.

As you being a Neptune-Sag person, I'm sure your perspective may a bit different. But thanks for chiming in!

posted May 02, 2015 05:09 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Interesting!

I have never been able to understand the either-or conflict. I adore science and the more I dive into it, the more it solidifies my faith and spirituality. In fact, I've never found religions convincing, only science has been able to 'make' me spiritual. I see spirituality as fundamentally connected to science, and completed misunderstood and twisted by religion. So that's a Neptune in Capricorn thing? Love it!

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Great post! I appreciate your response.

posted May 02, 2015 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Interesting!

I have never been able to understand the either-or conflict. I adore science and the more I dive into it, the more it solidifies my faith and spirituality. In fact, I've never found religions convincing, only science has been able to 'make' me spiritual. I see spirituality as fundamentally connected to science, and completed misunderstood and twisted by religion. So that's a Neptune in Capricorn thing? Love it!

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posted May 02, 2015 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
Interesting. Speaking from a nep in sag cap sun-merc individual, ive always put it like this. You can convince me almost anything *could* exist with a good enough argument, and in that sense I am spiritual, but never that anything *does* exist without tested, concrete evidence, and in that sense Im scientific. Above all, Im philosophical. Do *we* exist?: I think, therefore I am.

No cognitive dissonance, there.

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posted May 02, 2015 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I hope they officially blend someday.

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posted May 02, 2015 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AngaCrowley:
[b]Interesting. Speaking from a nep in sag cap sun-merc individual, ive always put it like this. You can convince me almost anything *could* exist with a good enough argument, and in that sense I am spiritual, but never that anything *does* exist without tested, concrete evidence, and in that sense Im scientific. Above all, Im philosophical. Do *we* exist?: I think, therefore I am.

No cognitive dissonance, there.

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posted May 02, 2015 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

It's called Quantum Physics

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

posted May 02, 2015 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Free Leon:
The Neptune in Capricorn generation will pave the way towards the ultimate remarriage of Science and Spirituality; a resurrection of Atlantean consciousness that will permeate throughout the collective. The fruits of our labor will be ripe enough for harvest around ~2060/2064

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posted May 02, 2015 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I don't do religion but I see no problem with appreciating both science and "spirituality". Why not try to understand this world while we're here? I see the latter as behind the scenes science. I hope they officially blend someday.

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posted May 02, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[b] I hope they officially blend someday.

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posted May 02, 2015 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Thank you for putting into words what I have been trying to convey for years! I'm not sure what your religious beliefs are or background, but I find your statements really apply to what I believe as well.

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Hey Bella - it's so great to see you say that, I feel the exact same way! I resonate with every post of yours I've read, the recent ones in the other sections of this forum especially so We are definitely likeminded.

posted May 02, 2015 12:08 PM            

Here's a quote I just googled: "Like the meridians as they approach the poles, science, philosophy, and religion are bound to converge as they draw nearer to the whole."

He was a Taurus Sun conjunct Neptune and trine Uranus in Virgo. He also had Moon in the 12th and Aquarius MC.

posted May 02, 2015 12:52 PM            

To my mind, mysticism and science are united in metaphysics.

posted May 02, 2015 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
My background culturally is Orthodox Christian

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What kind?

posted May 03, 2015 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What kind?

When people say that I think some kind of Eastern Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Serbian, etc)

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Hi Pixie - yes, that's what I meant I'm from Eastern Europe.

posted May 03, 2015 04:21 AM            

Cool. At least here in America the Eastern Orthodox tend to be much more accepting of science and generally (though not always) tolerant, more so than the Christian Right anyway. The Russian Orthodox in particular (including American converts though they often carry Augustinian thoughts into their denomination) is especially mystical. (The Russian Orthodox in Russia sounds a lot more strict and harsh, however, more like our Christian Right, quite possibly because of their political power that allows them to be tempted by darker impulses whereas the Russian Orthodox over here generally have nothing but God and each other which makes them inclined to be more humble and peaceable as well as focused more on God than their power in the material world, I vaguely recall overhearing some talking about how they rejected some government benefit fearing that would make them beholden to US politics which they didn't want tainting their church, though they prayed for the political leaders, of course, along with prisoners and other sinners. ).

They were much more accepting of science than the Christian Right. They told me the Christian Right in America baffled them, from their obsession with the End Times to prosperity theology (as opposed to being crucified with Christ in this world), and when I told them of such fundies turning many East Texas counties into "dry counties" which means very harsh restrictions to outright prohibition of alcohol sales (as it violated the purity of the body at best and was even witchcraft altering the mind at worst) one threw up his hands and shouted, "But Jesus turned water into wine!"

And here's what a Patriarch (Bartholomew) of the Orthodox Churches of America had to say: http://www.acton.org/public-policy/environmental-stewardship/th eology-e/orthodox-churches-statement-environment

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People of all faith traditions praise the Divine, for they seek to understand their relationship to the cosmos. The entire universe participates in a celebration of life, which St. Maximos the Confessor described as a “cosmic liturgy.” We see this cosmic liturgy in the symbiosis of life's rich biological complexities. These complex relationships draw attention to themselves in humanity's self-conscious awareness of the cosmos. As human beings, created “in the image and likeness of God” (Gen. 1:26), we are called to recognize this interdependence between our environment and ourselves. In the bread and the wine of the Eucharist, as priests standing before the altar of the world, we offer the creation back to the creator in relationship to Him and to each other. Indeed, in our liturgical life, we realize by anticipation, the final state of the cosmos in the Kingdom of Heaven. We celebrate the beauty of creation, and consecrate the life of the world, returning it to God with thanks. We share the world in joy as a living mystical communion with the Divine. Thus it is that we offer the fullness of creation at the Eucharist, and receive it back as a blessing, as the living presence of God.

Moreover, there is also an ascetic element in our responsibility toward God's creation. This asceticism requires from us a voluntary restraint, in order for us to live in harmony with our environment. Asceticism offers practical examples of conservation.

By reducing our consumption, in Orthodox Theology 'encratia' or self-control, we come to ensure that resources are also left for others in the world. As we shift our will we demonstrate a concern for the third world and developing nations. Our abundance of resources will be extended to include an abundance of equitable concern for others.

We must challenge ourselves to see our personal, spiritual attitudes in continuity with public policy. Encratia frees us of our self-centered neediness, that we may do good works for others. We do this out of a personal love for the natural world around us. We are called to work in humble harmony with creation and not in arrogant supremacy against it. Asceticism provides an example whereby we may live simply.

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A former Russian Orthodox nun showed me where an American member basically quoted Rush Limbaugh as well as the typical Christian Right view (Ann Coulter summed it up without mincing words with, "The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man's dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet — it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars — that's the Biblical view.") in decrying this attitude and the bulk of the Eastern Orthodox (not just Russian, though did include that former nun) came down on her like a ton of bricks. Not with scathing comments but cool, rational statements of both scientific facts and Orthodox theology & tradition as well as (mostly gentle but chiding) rebuking Rush Limbaugh. It was quite refreshing.

posted May 03, 2015 05:15 AM            

Religion is a fascinating thing because it tells so much about the culture and history of the nation/ country/ group of people. It's more of a psychology study than a spirituality study

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
when I told them of such fundies turning many East Texas counties into "dry counties" which means very harsh restrictions to outright prohibition of alcohol sales (as it violated the purity of the body at best and was even witchcraft altering the mind at worst) one threw up his hands and shouted, "But Jesus turned water into wine!"

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posted May 03, 2015 05:19 PM            

I simply identify as Christian. I don't necessarily care about denominations, although technically I suppose that I'm Baptist?

I'm an Individual. I'm a person who enjoys a personal relationship with God. I try to be my best and to treat others how I want to be treated.

posted May 03, 2015 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hey Bella - it's so great to see you say that, I feel the exact same way! I resonate with every post of yours I've read, the recent ones in the other sections of this forum especially so We are definitely likeminded.

My background culturally is Orthodox Christian, but I have never been religious. Only deeply spiritual

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Would you happen to have some Cap in your chart since you are a Saturn fan? That could be one reason why.

I completely agree- your posts seriously read my mind! There is a cool IA thread you should check out if you have time, several of us have looked at our synastry with other LL members.