posted April 28, 2015 06:04 AM            

I don't doubt that there is a strong correlation between progressions and real life events, because I've seen countless examples on this board. I'm just struggling to understand why are they accurate?

posted April 28, 2015 12:03 PM            

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130313232534AAiq0VW

Progression Charts are created for the exact Universal Time at which a particular planet returns/transits to the exact position of the zodiac that it was in at the Universal Time of our birth.
These charts can be created for any one cycle of any one planet, and relate specifically to that planet's "meaning"/purpose...(For example, the Jupiter Return applies for a period/cycle of around 12 years and provides information about our "higher education.")

The Natal Chart shows the lessons we are learning in the course of our lifetime...The Progressed Chart reveals which of those lessons we are currently working on...The Transit Chart indicates the timing and nature of those events that are intended to teach us a specific topic within the progressed chart lesson of the natal chart curricular.

Hence, the "transit to natal" chart (is a comparison of the transit and natal charts which) highlights topics that might be on the curricular...but the related event will be significant only if it is also part of a scheduled progressed chart lesson......[Meaningful events in our lives occur when the natal chart "promise" is highlighted by both progression and transit.]

posted April 29, 2015 03:44 AM            

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Does it work for you?
When my pSun went over my Venus, nothing happened. You are supposed to meet someone important in your life. But then again, I have a chart that promise none (7th H ruler sq Venus) as far as relationship is concerned so may be that was true for me.

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I've only studied my transits so far, and haven't looked at progressions. I'll look at them in depth these days and see if I find any correlation. But I do believe they work, looking at the feedback from other people on these boards.

Does 7H ruler square Venus promise no relationships? I would have thought it would mean challenges, but nothing as final as "no relationships". Squares usually represent something you need to integrate internally before being able to find happiness in a relationship with another person. I have Moon square Venus, and Venus square Pluto, both of which pretty much promise a lot of grief in romance (and this has been true for me), and I did feel cursed for a while even before finding out about my placements, but once you start integrating all the conflicting energies things become brighter

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Originally posted by astra7:
My guess is that 1 day = 1 year is like a fractal. One picture contains the whole...like holographic image.

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posted April 29, 2015 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130313232534AAiq0VW

Progression Charts are created for the exact Universal Time at which a particular planet returns/transits to the exact position of the zodiac that it was in at the Universal Time of our birth.
These charts can be created for any one cycle of any one planet, and relate specifically to that planet's "meaning"/purpose...(For example, the Jupiter Return applies for a period/cycle of around 12 years and provides information about our "higher education.")

The Natal Chart shows the lessons we are learning in the course of our lifetime...The Progressed Chart reveals which of those lessons we are currently working on...The Transit Chart indicates the timing and nature of those events that are intended to teach us a specific topic within the progressed chart lesson of the natal chart curricular.

Hence, the "transit to natal" chart (is a comparison of the transit and natal charts which) highlights topics that might be on the curricular...but the related event will be significant only if it is also part of a scheduled progressed chart lesson......[Meaningful events in our lives occur when the natal chart "promise" is highlighted by both progression and transit.]

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posted April 30, 2015 09:04 PM            

They say Saturn in the 12th is a tough placement. Perhaps. I have this and it just occurred to be that where ever Saturn resides he demands structure. In my 12th house Saturn demands I bring structure/simplicity/practicality to my esoteric studies.

With that said, before you delve into progressions I'd advise you to first familiarize yourself with the Dynamic Cycle or Lunation Cycle.

posted May 01, 2015 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Fractals.

They say Saturn in the 12th is a tough placement. Perhaps. I have this and it just occurred to be that where ever Saturn resides he demands structure. In my 12th house Saturn demands I bring structure/simplicity/practicality to my esoteric studies.

With that said, before you delve into progressions I'd advise you to first familiarize yourself with the Dynamic Cycle or Lunation Cycle.

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posted May 01, 2015 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Fractals.

They say Saturn in the 12th is a tough placement. Perhaps. I have this and it just occurred to be that where ever Saturn resides he demands structure. In my 12th house Saturn demands I bring structure/simplicity/practicality to my esoteric studies.

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I'm not seeing the connection. Are you saying the Saturn in the 12H is an illustration of a fractal?

posted May 01, 2015 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hoping that someone would let me in on the logic behind progressions.

I don't doubt that there is a strong correlation between progressions and real life events, because I've seen countless examples on this board. I'm just struggling to understand why are they accurate?

Why would 1 day be representative of a whole year in a person's life?

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SaturnFan, I'd like to know the answer too. I think it's an important question. Stephen Arroyo (author of "Karma, Astrology & Transformation") makes some good points about progressions, but he doesn't answer your specific "why" question (one day = a year).

A member of an older generation of astrologers, Alan Leo, addresses it here:

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If the question be asked why these changes among the heavenly bodies should correspond to the events of life, we find ourselves compelled to assume that it is because similar changes are taking place within the man himself.

At birth, the subtle forces operating in man's body, and constituting his characteristics and powers physically expressed, answer exactly to the positions of signs and planets; and Natal Astrology is simply an interpretation of the latter in terms of the former, of planets and signs in terms of character and fate. After birth, changes at once begin to take place within the man, answering to similar changes occurring outside him in the heavens.

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Okay, basically I think he's alluding to the occult maxim: "As above, so below," and archetypal causation as distinguished from causation as understood in Newtonian physics. (I'll elaborate on this later when I have more time.)

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We are 'apparently driven to the conclusion' that those sets of changes which, in the universe, the macrocosm, take place in a day, in man, the microcosm, are spread out over a year.

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[Excerpt from "The Progressed Horoscope," by Alan Leo, pp. 31-32]

I don't find this answer satisfying.

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So that when such a direction as the conjunction of the Sun with Venus takes place (as in the Queen's [Victoria] horoscope] twenty-six days after birth, the similar subtle changes within the living being are not completed until twenty-six years of age; and this is why the direction measures to the event.

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So, unless I'm missing something, he gives a general answer, but not to your specific question: why a day represents a year.

I'm still thinking about the fractal comparison.

posted May 02, 2015 04:04 AM            

Thank you for sharing these excerpts, anything helps to shed more light on this question. It's a very fascinating topic the more I think about it.

I'm very curious about the "As above, so below" maxim you mentioned, especially in the context of progressions or predictive astrology!

And I found this about the concept of fractals and their relation to progressions - I'm still reading through it and trying to make sense of it:

posted May 02, 2015 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I'm not seeing the connection. Are you saying the Saturn in the 12H is an illustration of a fractal?

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No, no. Fractals is the answer to the topic question.

Saturn in the 12 describe the practical approach I take to esoteric subjects.

posted May 03, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
I'm very curious about the "As above, so below" maxim you mentioned, especially in the context of progressions or predictive astrology!

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The maxim "As above, so below," comes from The Emerald Tablet, which is part of the Hermetica, consisting of 42 sacred books of wisdom said to have been written by a legendary Egyptian sage, Hermes Trismegistus.

The exact quote from the Emerald Tablet is as follows: "That which is above is like that which is below and that which is below is like that which is above, to achieve the wonders of the one thing. Basically, it means that the human being and the world is a reflection or manifestation of the Creator and the heavens.

As above, so below is the foundational principle upon which astrology is based. This is also the principle which explains why or how astrology works, in other words, the kind of causation that applies to astrology. It's the principle that Alan Leo drew from to explain how progressions work.

According to the Hermetic as well as Platonic philosophies, everything in creation is a manifestation of an archetype. What the ancient Greeks called the "gods" are what astrologers know as the signs and planets, and what modern depth psychology calls archetypes. When two or more planetary archetypes form a configuration in the heavens, the nature and character of these archetypes manifest and reverberate both in history and in personal biographies in myriad ways, and simultaneously in outer (history) and inner (psyche) events. In fact, astrology shows that there is no radical separation between "inner" and "outer."

This is what "archetypal causation" means. Now, the reason why so many people born and educated in the West have such a problem with astrology is because the world view that underpins and informs astrology is radically different than the one that lies behind and within the modern, materialistic scientific world view, which is the predominant world view at this time in our history. According to this world view, there is no identifiable material cause for why or how the planets influence human behavior and events, like gravity that causes an apple to fall from a tree. Therefore, astrology is discredited in the minds of many as being part of a world view that we in the West have advanced beyond, that is considered to be inferior, irrational and unsound and ended its influence with the advent of modern science in the 17th century.

The world view behind astrology sees cosmos and psyche inextricably linked and that we exist in an ensouled cosmos. Obviously, it's a perspective that differs from the view of modern, materialistic science. My guess is the scientists who represent this group don't embrace the findings of quantum physics. Rick Tarnas organized a conference in 1997 between astrologers and physicists that I attended and the scientists that were there like biologist Rupert Sheldrake and others had no problem with astrology.

I hope this helps to answer your question in a general way, although it still doesn't answer with regard to the formula "one day equals a year."

Thanks for the link on fractals! I'll read it.

posted May 04, 2015 05:19 AM            

Thank you so much for this fascinating, amazing explanation. I found it very, very inspiring - even though I already believe in a strong connection between living beings and the cosmos, reading your words felt like becoming aware of this connection all over again

posted May 04, 2015 05:40 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hoping that someone would let me in on the logic behind progressions.

I don't doubt that there is a strong correlation between progressions and real life events, because I've seen countless examples on this board. I'm just struggling to understand why are they accurate?

Why would 1 day be representative of a whole year in a person's life?

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posted May 04, 2015 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Hoping that someone would let me in on the logic behind progressions.

I don't doubt that there is a strong correlation between progressions and real life events, because I've seen countless examples on this board. I'm just struggling to understand why are they accurate?

Why would 1 day be representative of a whole year in a person's life?

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If say you were born at 11:33 am and so each day you erect a chart for same time allowing of course
for relocation and time zone difference and you have a transit chart good for looking at against both your natal and progressed charts.

Additionally I do this and there is an ancient name for this but I have not been able to re-find it.
The ease of this depends on what tools you have. Mr. Hand could tell us,lol.
So , suppose, the date was 13 July 1973. Hypothetical chart here, Abbot.IL AT 11:33 AM gives an ascendant of 00Libra47'.
So If I progress by True Solar arc in Longitude using the standard of q2 to 13 July 2015 gives progressed asc of 5Scorpio22 so the ascendant has moved only 34.6 degrees in 43 years. Due to the slowest of solar daily motion 13 July 73 of 57'12" the Sun has moved only 40.21 degrees in those 43 years.

No I have not forgot the topic,lol.

The Progressed sun for our Hypothetical chart to birth time on 43rd birthday is 1Virgo2107.
Alternately you can then create an ingress chart. Such an ingress would show an asc of 4scorpio 12, which is a small difference 1*10'. So as someone said it is like a fractal.

Break that fractal down to actually see it like fast flipping the pages of a book to see a movie.
I have done this by hand , it is quite intensive and tedious.
If the resource is avaible. Looking at the time display in the process of doing solar arc directions provides the needed information.
Such with the chart data example above: 13 July 2015 = 24 Aug 1973 11:32:19
14 July 2015 = 24 Aug 1973 11:36:15
15 July 2015 = 24 Aug 1973 11:40:12
and so on . So creating a chart for each new time only 3m56 secs difference give you a fractal progression for each day like pages to a book, The are especially useful if traveling or planning a vacation. A composite chart could be the bast chart as well. In mine I recently noticed that as my progressed moon makes exact 3rd q SQ to my progressed Sun, the exact midpoint of the two rolls over the ascendant of that day. One can watch all the (psp) personal sensitive points move in relation to the planets
on a daily basis. Vertex,Equatorial ascendant, Polar ascendant and co-ascendant and their polar opposites.Plus Part of Fortune or any other I suppose. Personally I look at Transits to those midpoints when they approach and angle or a psp.
Such a fractal break down illustrates the true value of progressions.

Looking at transits to each of these would involve the chart type mentioned at top.

Day for a year is mentioned in Ezekiel but I suspect the method predates the Bible.

posted May 04, 2015 10:28 PM            

I'm reading the article on fractals you linked to. Here's a key passage that I think answers your question and made the light bulb go on for me:

"Time also has its fractal dimensions, and whenever we switch one increment of time for another - as we are in the habit of doing in astrology - we are making practical use of these self-similar fractal-time dimensions. Progressions and directions are not only symbolic, as some astrologers have called them, they are also fractal expressions of the whole and, in regarding the astrological chart as fractal, we begin to see that there are many systems within the system, many wheels within wheels. What are harmonics if not the fractalization of the birthchart?"

posted May 05, 2015 08:52 AM            

Thank you for this detailed response! You seem to have researched this thoroughly, thank you for sharing your observations - they are very helpful!

Peony,