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sis
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posted April 29, 2015 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As some of you know, I have been going through Pluto transits for some years now.

I have been through pluto conjunct ascendant, sun, mercury ( still on-air ) and Venus ( due to retograde its easing off but it will grow stronger during autumn. and most probably will leave its mark on 2016 )

-Pluto squaring all of them in my natal

Damn, so much agony ! violent thoughts. I feel like I am capable of brutal violence..

Also, I realised whenever a transiting personal planet -especialy sun makes an aspect to my natal Pluto, I feel like I can become an amok runner in an instant..

Even though I have Moon opposite Mars in my natal, I don't feel trs. harsh Mars aspects
that much... Even though anger is a Mars thing..

Why does Pluto cause that much agony ?

Recently, I have started throwing silent screams. I sit and scream without raising my voice. yeah my therapy..

Another thing on my progressed chart I have Pluto squaring my natal personal planets snce it moves so slow, natal aspects remain the same.

What I would like to ask; do they have any additional effets ?


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astra7
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posted April 29, 2015 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you realised your own power, people won't be messing about with you. You have that power. Don't forget, those that wrong you are probably playing at their level and you certainly don't want to lower down to their level. Be smart.

I too have been having sq and found out or shall I say, got a confirmation that someone's been hexing me for all these years. I have been ill, out of work, everything has been destroyed. HEHEHE....this time, it's on me.
OK, this is obviously not the physical struggle as such.... everything is happening proxy. I think he wanted to kill me by proxy so that he can keep his hands clean. Sneaky b*tard! I sent all of his gift back and he hasn't been back for 2 weeks! I wonder what happened to him. He deserves all he gave me.

Don't be afraid of Pluto energy. Be one!
Embrace it by listening to Plutonic music, read stuff that is dark and Plutonic...it will quench your thirst.

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sis
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posted April 29, 2015 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahah I can relate to hexing part I've been having an affair with this guy on/off for nearly 6 years now... wow 6 years ! and come to think of it, everything is going down since then. The thing the moment I decide but truly decide to burry him for good and feel perfectly at peace with it, he calls. Almost telepathicaly. And because I am an impulsive being, and because I let him have power over me, I give in.. and then the same **** over and over again.. transit pluto conjunct venus which will activate my Venus square Pluto while my progressed venus inconjunct Pluto, I wonder wonder wonder if it's gonna be him - the dark, destructive love - or somebody new.. Sometimes I say to myself let this go on till the transit ends instead of having a new scar..am I being stupid ?

I am aware of my power, unless I make an effort most people feel intimidated by me. However, all of my natal pluto squares receive sextiles from Jupiter. So, I am constantly in between dark & light, the twilight sone. And it's so tiring. It paralyzez me. When nothing feels right, you can'T act..

With transiting Pluto aspects darkness became more powerful. I am not doing anything bad but I feel like I am capable of hurting myself and other people in the darkest hours of my soul. It scares me when I realise how close I was doing something brutal...

For the lasr 5 days I have been watching Orange is new black. I am very much enjoying it.

I have always been attracted to underworld and as a matter of fact I used to be a part of it and you know what I liked it. But don't know if Saturn or something else in my chart I always managed to stay on -relatively- the safe side and before I got too involved, I got out of it. But still have connections and to be honest those connections make me feel safe.

And my favourite song for the last couple of weeks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcqkTOVbdPw


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Kannon McAfee
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posted April 30, 2015 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sis:

I'll comment more generally since I don't have the advantage of seeing your birth chart. Pluto is lord of the underworld, which means the unconscious within each individual. It is far more of this than the power/political implications of our negotiations (or desire to not negotiate) with the outer world.

So how we experience Pluto depends on what we are carrying with us unconsciously. So the way to diffuse that pressure positively is to look within and to do some digging if you have to. Pluto is the planet of transformation when in positive usage and can truly facilitate healing in a way no other energy can. Just don't expect it to be an easy, single miracle.

More specifically to violence/thoughts ... I can personally understand and will just say that when we are going through such Pluto transits it is important to be dedicated to non-violence, to be dedicated to addressing the real issue within ourselves, which inevitiably relates to feeling disempowered. Most of us grew up feeling disempowered/blocked/inhibited/oppressed and viewing or experiencing things in our current outer world can trigger these unconscious feelings/memories with the desire to finally respond, even put an end to it.

As to Pluto in progression, it has to be making its aspects within less than 0*02' in longitude to be active. 1* (one degree) is far too wide an orb to use. So if that's the case, just toss it out of your thoughts. It may never actually be an active prog aspect in your lifetime.

In any case, empowerment is a process that is an inside job. The more you can connect what is unconscious to conscious realization and/or transcend them with a 'letting go' decision the closer you will get to finding balance.

Its ultimately about balance because we cannot arrive in the period of one set of Pluto transits. So all we can do is heal to a place of better balance until the next trials and tests come along.


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sis
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posted May 06, 2015 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
sis:

More specifically to violence/thoughts ... I can personally understand and will just say that when we are going through such Pluto transits it is important to be dedicated to non-violence, to be dedicated to addressing the real issue within ourselves, which inevitiably relates to feeling disempowered. Most of us grew up feeling disempowered/blocked/inhibited/oppressed and viewing or experiencing things in our current outer world can trigger these unconscious feelings/memories with the desire to finally respond, even put an end to it.



so true. I feel more violent when I feel powerless. Pluto transits has taken my power away. But of course I have made the choices that tear me apart. The thing is although I know what I should do to claim my power back, I don't or can't do it.

I always dig my soul and I see the root causes of my self destructive feelings, perceptions, actions, but can't restructure them. Even though I am a thinker, a thinkolic constanst streamline of thoughts never reach a shore. I don't or can'T decide.

I usually act on impulse.

I am aware of the opposing forces within but balancing them is always one step too far. I resist my own authority.

here is my natal chart. as you will see its quite complex...

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venus2tinkerbell
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posted May 06, 2015 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon is really great with Pluto issues. I need to bump on of my Pluto transit treads so I can get clarity on something.

But sis, I did want to ask you if you get physical exercise. If you're not already working out, I know the idea of it can be very unattractive, but if you just give it a chance you'll find that a lot of that energy that is just running through your body and upsetting you will have an outlet through physical activity.

You can start by just walking in your neighborhood, and then taking longer and longer walks. Depending on your lifestyle how you step it up will be your choice. I have always danced an never needed anything else. These days the only way for me to dance (with some type if structured set up)is to teach it. And though I will teach at some point, all that involvement is not what I need right now. I need to sweat and burn and hurt,and that's it. So I joined a gym. I'll add that I used to go to a gym for men and women, because some women's gyms don't take weights seriously, but with how touchy I am with men these days, the women's gym works best. I go early in the morning with all the gossipy little old ladies, and do my thing. I get it all out. And I'm much calmer and focused in the day. Try it. It will really help.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 06, 2015 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
sis:

I'll comment more generally since I don't have the advantage of seeing your birth chart. Pluto is lord of the underworld, which means the unconscious within each individual. It is far more of this than the power/political implications of our negotiations (or desire to not negotiate) with the outer world.

So how we experience Pluto depends on what we are carrying with us unconsciously. So the way to diffuse that pressure positively is to look within and to do some digging if you have to. Pluto is the planet of transformation when in positive usage and can truly facilitate healing in a way no other energy can. Just don't expect it to be an easy, single miracle.

More specifically to violence/thoughts ... I can personally understand and will just say that when we are going through such Pluto transits it is important to be dedicated to non-violence, to be dedicated to addressing the real issue within ourselves, which inevitiably relates to feeling disempowered. Most of us grew up feeling disempowered/blocked/inhibited/oppressed and viewing or experiencing things in our current outer world can trigger these unconscious feelings/memories with the desire to finally respond, even put an end to it.

As to Pluto in progression, it has to be making its aspects within less than 0*02' in longitude to be active. 1* (one degree) is far too wide an orb to use. So if that's the case, just toss it out of your thoughts. It may never actually be an active prog aspect in your lifetime.

In any case, empowerment is a process that is an inside job. The more you can connect what is unconscious to conscious realization and/or transcend them with a 'letting go' decision the closer you will get to finding balance.

Its ultimately about balance because we cannot arrive in the period of one set of Pluto transits. So all we can do is heal to a place of better balance until the next trials and tests come along.


So beautifully explained!

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