posted July 13, 2015 02:25 AM            

Here's an example of 0 degrees in Aries,

"Aggressive, tough, and passionate character well-equipped for facing life struggles. One is able to use physical strength as well as intellectual weapons, according to one's social background. One is mainly interested in life's materialistic aspects and protects efficiently one's rights and assets. Nevertheless, there is a potential danger of loss and/or lawsuit related to inheritance matters. One must be careful not to let temptations, whether sex, gambling, or any other passion, prevail over one's major goals. Indeed, this degree is associated with Hercules, a man who can achieve amazing feats, but who can also fall into the traps of seduction."

posted July 13, 2015 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Where did you get this description? I'd like to check the degree of my Sun.

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posted July 13, 2015 03:29 AM            

That aside, I don't buy into fatalism. To me the astrological energy is potential and many other outside factors--including personal choices/free will--will shape that energy into something more solid both internally and externally. Astrology can help with self-awareness so one can change what is inside, or put metaphorically to know when to raise the sails and when to take them down to switch to the oars. I've used it to make relationships work that otherwise wouldn't because it pointed out what to look for and prepare for and how to compromise so that we all get what we need.

posted July 13, 2015 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't see fatalism there. Fatalism is the belief that you can't do anything about it but the description you gave says you can affect the outcome as it lists the strengths and challenges of the placements and what to be careful for. If it were actually promoting fatalism then it would instead say something like, "You will suffer due to your inability to resist the temptations of sex and gambling" rather than pointing it out as a potential danger to be careful of.

That aside, I don't buy into fatalism. To me the astrological energy is potential and many other outside factors--including personal choices/free will--will shape that energy into something more solid both internally and externally. Astrology can help with self-awareness so one can change what is inside, or put metaphorically to know when to raise the sails and when to take them down to switch to the oars. I've used it to make relationships work that otherwise wouldn't because it pointed out what to look for and prepare for and how to compromise so that we all get what we need.

And I'll also throw in that I'm very glad I got into one such relationship that was helped by astrology BEFORE I knew her placements as otherwise I'd have put a lot of distance between us so that there'd be no relationship today (as the description of some of her placements scared me even when taking the rest of her chart into account) which would be too bad and I wouldn't even know it. Of course once I did bother to get them and look into it I was able to plan ahead and that's the only reason the relationship did survive. And it's not that what I read of those placements being wrong, just that there are many shades of gray and how they can manifest (along with free will that can overcome internal inclinations) which I didn't understand then as well as I do now.

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Thanks for responding with such a great answer.

posted July 13, 2015 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
What a load of bullcrap.

Mine said that I'm violent; I've literally never raised my hand to anyone my entire life. I've been the victim of violence, though. That site just lost credibility with me.

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posted July 13, 2015 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:

Violent or physically violent?

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posted July 13, 2015 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Um.... do you think people typically use the term violent in a non-physical context?

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True.

posted July 13, 2015 11:54 AM            

Have you ever had a prophetic dream or knew what was going to happen next but situation didn't allowed that you couldn't do anything about it? I have. Where is freewill in that? But of course, we are free to 'believe' yes believe anything you like which is different from what IS.

posted July 13, 2015 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
Of course fate exists.
If you are born as girl even though you might proclaim that you are a boy in a girl's body or have surgery etc etc.... you are a girl. You don't have freewill there.

Have you ever had a prophetic dream or knew what was going to happen next but situation didn't allowed that you couldn't do anything about it? I have. Where is freewill in that? But of course, we are free to 'believe' yes believe anything you like which is different from what IS.

As in Arabic, Makturrb, it's written.

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I feel like "Fate" is self-imposed, though.

If you look to Buddhism, it states that the original state of being is emptiness. Upon leaving emptiness, we just start gravitating towards other energies.

Note, "emptiness" is often associated with a clear mind, and awareness without thought, not resisting with energy and just essentially being.

posted July 13, 2015 12:25 PM            

That's only one degree in a chart, for starters...

and one person's interpretation.

Also, the mind is a powerful thing... self-fulfilling

prophecy can be an unnecessary danger, imo.

'For the thing which I fear

comes on me,

That which I am afraid of

comes to me.'

No thanks. o___O

posted July 13, 2015 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
Definitely '... with a hint of skepticism and caution.'

That's only one degree in a chart, for starters...

and one person's interpretation.

Also, the mind is a powerful thing... self-fulfilling

prophecy can be an unnecessary danger, imo.

'For the thing which I fear

comes on me,

That which I am afraid of

comes to me.'

No thanks. o___O

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I know -.-

posted July 13, 2015 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
I feel like "Fate" is self-imposed, though.

If you look to Buddhism, it states that the original state of being is emptiness. Upon leaving emptiness, we just start gravitating towards other energies.

Note, "emptiness" is often associated with a clear mind, and awareness without thought, not resisting with energy and just essentially being.

Being attached to fate imposes fate on the self, of whom is empty.

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posted July 13, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
I feel like "Fate" is self-imposed, though.

If you look to Buddhism, it states that the original state of being is emptiness. Upon leaving emptiness, we just start gravitating towards other energies.

Note, "emptiness" is often associated with a clear mind, and awareness without thought, not resisting with energy and just essentially being.

Being attached to fate imposes fate on the self, of whom is empty.

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The Buddhist 'emptiness' place you are talking about is a place of all possibility. I have been there. This is where you exists everywhere and you are everything. And it sounds very profound but it's nothing to do with fate. People get confused when someone pulls a theory that sounds complicated....there the investigation stops because they don't know. It's like we are talking about how to make an omlette and you suddenly start mentioning about anti-freeze which is supposed to be very effective. lol[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your wisdom.

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posted July 13, 2015 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by NoireAries:
Ummm... You don't have to be cissexist to give an example of fate. If a person is assigned female at birth but says they are male they are male. Gender is a construct and not so black and white or rigid. Please choose better words next time.

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posted July 13, 2015 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by NoireAries:
How am I starting an argument? Their comment was cissexist regardless if it helped you realize something.

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.... Because what you say can be interpreted the wrong way from another lens of thinking due to your own non-discriminating attitude towards knowledge. Someone who is naturally non-discriminant becomes a pillar against large rivals of other information, even if it is right or wrong.

You may have knowledge of something but you do not have knowledge of everything. He shared his information with me as an example, not to be discriminating.

And thus is what could have been implied by "violence" in my description, which arouses mental violence. Do not arouse mental violence.

posted July 13, 2015 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by NoireAries:
Wow, really? Intent doesn't matter but I guess what I have to say doesn't matter either cause I'm arousing "mental violence" and they're clearly not by invaldating trans identifies to make a point. I could have misread but I don't think I did.

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It's truly a shame if you don't understand what your symbolic degree meant "to arouse violence".