posted August 11, 2015 10:45 PM            

The Rising Order of the Sun and the Inner Planets - Introduction to the Pattern of Ego Processing

By Raimo A. Nikula

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I won't quote the whole article but would like to get some feedback on his readings for the six different combinations of rising order:

First - Middle - Last
Sun-Mercury-Venus
Sun-Venus-Mercury
Mercury-Sun-Venus
Mercury-Venus-Sun
Venus-Mercury-Sun
Venus-Sun-Mercury

I have the last type because my planets are arranged as follows:
Venus in Sagittarius - Capricorn sun - Aquarius Mercury

Reading:

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Venus-Sun-Mercury

If there is a rightful place for this type, be it among people in society doing useful work to meld people together. This is either a very superficial and given to beautiful appearances, or he/she may be a genuinely kind and loving man or woman. He has great taste, bordering on the flamboyant, and a style of his own whatever way he uses them. Sometimes he is after idealised truth or beauty no matter what comes. Preferably, he lives a eulogised life with plenty of social contacts, love affairs and material prosperity. Naively and openly attached to fellow men, he easily receives plenty of attention and appreciation. His liking to receive only 'yes' answers makes him vulnerable to flattery and dishonest social role-playing. His value-system might be surprisingly heavy or extremely conservative. But on the bright side, there is more to it than a beautiful setting. He or she may be exemplary, a man with a great ability to unite men for some noble cause. Sometimes living on a pedestal, he is elevated unnecessarily, losing contact with everyday reality. Representing something valuable or giving stability and glory or even grandeur to ideals and ideologies might befit him. "The leading figure ". Paraphrase: "Look me in the eye; you can trust me."

Examples: Roi Soleil Louis XIV, Tolstoi, Benjamin Disraeli, Oscar Wilde, Alan Leo, Edward VII, Alfred Hitchcock, John Lennon, Nelson Mandela.

Both Venus-first rising orders do their best to humanise the world in order to make it more pleasing and rewarding for sensual and aesthetic pleasure.

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This is somewhat true for me, just tone down the positive and negative aspects both, and it matches how I see myself.

All other readings available at link.

What do you think?

posted August 11, 2015 11:34 PM            

to answer your question..yes, degrees are important, aside from this, if Mercury is too close to the Sun it will be combust.

posted August 12, 2015 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by BNY10:
What if all those planets are in the same sign? Do I look at degrees?

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Yes

And if the planets or sun are in the same degree, look at the minutes.

posted August 12, 2015 12:31 AM            

Paraphrase I suggest here: "Leave it to me! Don't mess with me!"

posted August 12, 2015 01:26 PM            

Mine is influenced slightly by Venus being retrograde. "See how it flows" suits well though, if talking from the sense of there being some laissez-faire potential, even despite my Grand Cross or T-square type patterns in the chart in general and a "Let's see how it flows?" nigh question interpretation for it. One of my commonly used phrases is after all "We'll see". Unless you want to attribute all that to "lazy Leo" + Pisces vibes.

"Sun-Venus-Mercury

A softer version than the first one, this type too knows how to run things, but compared to the previous one, he or she is more concerned how the possible results affects the people around. To prevent collisions he/she puts up a lot of effort and dedication. He likes to play the role of "benevolent leader" "loving master" or a "good father / mother" and "reliable breadwinner". When combined with a more affectionate nature of the whole chart, he or she might become a veritable seducer or winner of hearts. There is plenty of room for love and romance in this combination. Life often turns out best when there is a show going on in his life or a great love-story that brings out his best qualities. With an otherwise sober chart, this type dedicates his talents to something concrete and productive. At best, he is a great fund-riser or a political, humanitarian trailblazer. Not unexpectedly, there might something "Apollonian" in his archetypal make-up, lots of light and clarity in his/her mind! He likes to be seen and heard - to be somebody respected. He or she may have an inclination to show off. "The snob". Paraphrase: "See how it flows!" Here too, it is crucial to understand the role of the scout. For instance, Cosimo de Medici had this and Uranus was scouting.

Examples: Elisabeth I, John Ford, Bob Dylan, Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey.

Both Sun-first combinations indicate obviously great executive prowess."

Only thing is if I were to pick one for myself, I'd probably go more for Venus-Mercury-Sun with the cultural interests or something "lighter" or more "moving" (Mutable crosses at my end) in the description than the above. The Apollonian side perhaps hints at that side, but otherwise I'm not sure it comes out like in the other description.

posted August 12, 2015 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Your Aquarius Mercury comes first, then whichever Pisces planet is in the earlier degree. It follows the natural order of the zodiac.

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Thanks for painting it out for me

Going by that i'm a Mercury, Venus and Sun.

posted August 12, 2015 03:01 PM            

My own pattern:
Sun rose first, (then Saturn), then Mercury, then Venus.

I think the author's assessment generally fits me, but less dramatically.

My big question is along the lines of what about one of these planets that has descended? I think room should be left for a change of dynamic for those with charts set later in the day when at least one of the three has descended. In my mind this may require a change of interpretation.

posted August 12, 2015 05:50 PM            

Examples: Roi Soleil Louis XIV, Tolstoi, Benjamin Disraeli, Oscar Wilde, Alan Leo, Edward VII, Alfred Hitchcock, John Lennon, Nelson Mandela.

Both Venus-first rising orders do their best to humanise the world in order to make it more pleasing and rewarding for sensual and aesthetic pleasure.

posted August 12, 2015 06:01 PM            

Sun-Venus-mercury

posted August 12, 2015 06:37 PM            

Anyways:
SUN-MERCURY-VENUS

From this rising order you can easily see what follows. This type of man or woman is at ease with himself or herself. He "knows" how the things get done and is driven by constant need for achievement. But he knows exactly how things are run - as he/she prefers them to be done. No other options! Or maybe he is forced by superiors or circumstances to control himself but it doesn't come easily. Opinionated, taking a strong stand for or against, he is a master of most situations. Pushing ahead, he puts himself first and he is not slow to take the initiative. He makes his way in any chosen field of activity. He or she has very little sentimental inclination, which makes him able to "see only the facts" or to run things that are straightforward enough. He is full of wants, will and forceful characteristics. Making best use of given capacities, he will make an excellent executive official, a governmental employee or entrepreneur. He is a natural boss with a highly boosted ego, feeling special or powerful. People behind him whisper: how selfish! "The Manager", "Master of the house". If there is a paraphrase describing the core feelings in every combination, Sun-Mercury-Venus might say, "Ok, let's get it done!" Or: "Move on!" Remember that when the Sun rises first, it is crucial to notice which planet is the scout. Stalin had this one and Mars in Scorpio was the scout and Cromwell had Uranus in Aries.