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SoulOfABird
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posted October 22, 2017 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So many astrology sites say Moon Conjunct Neptune is the person with the musical soul. But what other position or aspects can also give someone this special affinity to music? Im not sure what that means to some to heal through music. Not sure if I do, but I know since I was young (around 4 years old) I would walk around with headphones on listening to music. I always used music to imagine myself in imaginary scenarios. Im 20 now and I still do this, sometimes for hours. It's as though my imaginary scenarios are always better than my reality but Im still not sure why I do this, and I need music to do it. Also it suprised me to hear that some people (even singers) cant remember lyrics easily. I dont ever have that problem and for some reason I know lyrics pretty quickly and remember song lyrics that I havent heard in years. Im sure it doesn't mean anything other than maybe I have a good memory. But Im wondering why I have never wrote music or anything but spend hours listening to music each day to fantasize sweet fantasies in my head. Why??? It doesnt make sense sometimes and I dont have Moon Conjunct Neptune not even Sun Conjunct Neptune so what does this indicate about me? It's probably not an affinity to music right? Because it's not realing healing myself? Or is it? I have no clue. Please tell me what you think. Is this an affinity to music or something else? And why do I feel like I need to do this? I am pretty unproductive because of this. And neglect my important business because I prefer to put on my headphones and pace my room fantasing an alternative universe ?

What about you guys? Are you also like this? Are any of you musicians ? How can I stop doing this? Lol

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Iridia
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posted October 22, 2017 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you want to know about indicators of escapism through music or actual making or performing music and doing it well? But then, Neptune and Pisces can go both ways.

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How can I stop doing this?

You have 3 planets and South Node in Pisces. Your AC ruler, Moon and Neptune are in the 12th house. I can believe you have the tendency you described. I also believe you can get rid of it if you try hard enough. You already made the 1st step, you acknowleged the problem.

Google maladaptive daydreaming and do some reading. Also, consider getting skills that would allow you to work in the music industry, including music video production. Why not turn your struggle into an advantage?

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Lerena
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posted October 22, 2017 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what gives you that experience with music, but if I had to guess, it might come from your Pisces placements. Pisceans can be attracted to fantasy scenarios and music can sometimes be helpful with that feeling, often because it's a good distraction from a person's surroundings. You might benefit from some from some form of creative outlet even if it's just journaling. Creative outlets may help you be productive while listening to music. It sounds like you have a lot of unexpressed creativity and that's destroying your productivity. If you are able to, turning your fantasies into writing, art, or poetry may satisfy your need to fantasize while allowing you to be productive in the process. Another suggestion is possibly learning to sing or create music yourself. Since you seem to have a good memory, you may be able to create some enchanting music.

Overall, if you channel your need to fantasize into a creative outlet, I believe you'll be able to focus better on other things. As I said, I think you have a lot of unexpressed creativity. When I don't create things for an extended period of time, I become very distracted, unproductive, and lost. Perhaps this is the case for you as well. Your creative potential may be unknown to you. If this is true, you may need practice to master any creative talent. I believe it is likely there though and that's why you feel like you aren't being productive.

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This is a bit off topic, but something you said interested me. There are singers that have difficulty remembering lyrics easily? That's not something I ever expected to hear. I thought remembering song lyrics easily was something that was required for singers, but it seems that I was wrong about that.

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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 22, 2017 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You've got 3 prominent planets in Pisces. That'll do it. Pisces feels music in a very particular way. It's intense. Pisces is also one of THE MOST imaginative signs.

They also are known for having keen memory (or lack of, depending) as their sign does govern memory.

With that said, I have a Pisces moon, and I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT you mean!!!

My addiction started early. Behold, baby moi, 1 year old, listening to music on a cassette player and dancing:
[was a pic of me as a little kid]

I even remember the song I was listening to :P

However, from there, I realized that what I listened to expanded my imagination and everything became so vivid - and doing things while being PHYSICALLY active was even better. I needed to move while I listened. It almost got me high. Music put me in a heightened imaginative state.

And it wasn't JUST while listening to music. While doing anything and everything, but music made it THAT much more powerful, and I needed constant hits of music to bring a flood of otherworldly states.

Then around your age, I realized I had a problem, because let's face it, being in that state isn't a great way to make us feel grounded. It's nice on occasion, but we can't live life like that. I also then noticed that the more I listened and escaped, the more unhappy and depressed I felt. I tended to listen to music a lot at night, too.

So, what I did was I removed told myself I'd just make myself learn to go a few days without music.
And like an addict, I'd sit on my bed, nearly rocking back and forth, looking at my stereo longingly and just teling myself "It's okay just put the headphones on and drift off", because whenever there was a problem, my imagination would distract/"fix" it.

I caved several times before I finally decided to just REMOVE my radio and stereo from my room completely. I'd even put my mp3 player in a hard to reach place lol... There was one night I got a ladder to retrieve it ._.
I did have some relapses, but it got easier and easier over time. I'd not listen to the radio in the car, make myself not bring my mp3 player. (This was before I could use a phone for music).

And eventually, I got used to it, more and more, and started feeling better, more stable, less like I was dependent on music. Nowadays I'm fine going days, weeks or even months without music. That's not to say I purposely deprive myself. In moderation, I'll go on a music binge through sound cloud or youtube, and then I'll be fine and be easily able to go without for long periods.

Something that I notice that helps as well is writing and singing my own songs. It forces me to actually focus my creativity on making meaningful words that help me EXPRESS my feelings in a healthy way, and get my need for music out of me without just indulging in fantasy-masturbation. It's productive, and practicing music does make one more intelligent over all, especially if we learn to play a musical instrument.

Like Lerena said, a more productive creative outlet will do you good.


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This is a bit off topic, but something you said interested me. There are singers that have difficulty remembering lyrics easily? That's not something I ever expected to hear. I thought remembering song lyrics easily was something that was required for singers, but it seems that I was wrong about that.

That is interesting. But perhaps they were songs the singers didn't write themselves and don't fully feel themselves?

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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted October 22, 2017 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 22, 2017 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 22, 2017 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a note that Neptune is transiting Pisces, so all of this is heightened.

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posted October 22, 2017 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you get all the answers you're wanting to hear.

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SoulOfABird
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posted October 23, 2017 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Iridia:
Do you want to know about indicators of escapism through music or actual making or performing music and doing it well? But then, Neptune and Pisces can go both ways.

You have 3 planets and South Node in Pisces. Your AC ruler, Moon and Neptune are in the 12th house. I can believe you have the tendency you described. I also believe you can get rid of it if you try hard enough. You already made the 1st step, you acknowleged the problem.

Google maladaptive daydreaming and do some reading. Also, consider getting skills that would allow you to work in the music industry, including music video production. Why not turn your struggle into an advantage?


That's interesting because a few years ago I ran into the description of maladaptive daydreaming and completely related with it! I have fantasized about being a music writer/producer but never actually thought to be one. Mainly because I felt that it was an inborn gift that you know you have as a child which I never thought I had a gift for. I just fantasized about it. I dont feel like a I have that gift unfortunately, but I did want to try taking piano lessons! I would like to see how I can do with that. I have never tried to actually "do" music but maybe piano can help?

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posted October 23, 2017 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I'm not sure what gives you that experience with music, but if I had to guess, it might come from your Pisces placements. Pisceans can be attracted to fantasy scenarios and music can sometimes be helpful with that feeling, often because it's a good distraction from a person's surroundings. You might benefit from some from some form of creative outlet even if it's just journaling. Creative outlets may help you be productive while listening to music. It sounds like you have a lot of unexpressed creativity and that's destroying your productivity. If you are able to, turning your fantasies into writing, art, or poetry may satisfy your need to fantasize while allowing you to be productive in the process. Another suggestion is possibly learning to sing or create music yourself. Since you seem to have a good memory, you may be able to create some enchanting music.

Overall, if you channel your need to fantasize into a creative outlet, I believe you'll be able to focus better on other things. As I said, I think you have a lot of unexpressed creativity. When I don't create things for an extended period of time, I become very distracted, unproductive, and lost. Perhaps this is the case for you as well. Your creative potential may be unknown to you. If this is true, you may need practice to master any creative talent. I believe it is likely there though and that's why you feel like you aren't being productive.

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This is a bit off topic, but something you said interested me. There are singers that have difficulty remembering lyrics easily? That's not something I ever expected to hear. I thought remembering song lyrics easily was something that was required for singers, but it seems that I was wrong about that.



Wow I never thought about it that way! I didnt think it was creative potential within me. I just thought I was weird lol. Thank you for these suggestions, they sound like a good idea. I really wish I had the potential to create music or even poetry but I just felt like I didnt have that in me. Im always a bit scared or embarrassed to write or to create something then look back and go oh no how embarrassing lol. I know it's strange, but you know I find that I maybe care a bit too much about what others will think also. I feel it is very hard for me to be consistently productive with things. I always get the urge to retreat to pacing around my room listening to music even when Im doing something like trying to draw or learn a new language (Im studying Korean). I enjoy doing for a while but then I want to retrear back to my "dream world", sort to speak. Although I enjoy it, it can be quite annoying at times and maybe even unhealthy.

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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 23, 2017 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Self doubt in capabilities for Pisces can be pretty standard. The sooner you learn to have faith in yourself, to know you can hone your gifts and that you ARE gifted, the easier it'll be in the long term to access and manifest your potentials

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posted October 23, 2017 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I'm not sure what gives you that experience with music, but if I had to guess, it might come from your Pisces placements. Pisceans can be attracted to fantasy scenarios and music can sometimes be helpful with that feeling, often because it's a good distraction from a person's surroundings. You might benefit from some from some form of creative outlet even if it's just journaling. Creative outlets may help you be productive while listening to music. It sounds like you have a lot of unexpressed creativity and that's destroying your productivity. If you are able to, turning your fantasies into writing, art, or poetry may satisfy your need to fantasize while allowing you to be productive in the process. Another suggestion is possibly learning to sing or create music yourself. Since you seem to have a good memory, you may be able to create some enchanting music.

Overall, if you channel your need to fantasize into a creative outlet, I believe you'll be able to focus better on other things. As I said, I think you have a lot of unexpressed creativity. When I don't create things for an extended period of time, I become very distracted, unproductive, and lost. Perhaps this is the case for you as well. Your creative potential may be unknown to you. If this is true, you may need practice to master any creative talent. I believe it is likely there though and that's why you feel like you aren't being productive.

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This is a bit off topic, but something you said interested me. There are singers that have difficulty remembering lyrics easily? That's not something I ever expected to hear. I thought remembering song lyrics easily was something that was required for singers, but it seems that I was wrong about that.


Oh yes in regards to your question. I actually didn't think that either but I have seen videos of singers singing live and they forget some of the lyrics. Also heard of some singers saying sometimes they forger the lyrics. Tgis one particular musc artist/rapper/producer comes to mind. He writes music but I heard him say that it takes him a long time to memorize the lyrics. I found that interesting. It's suprising to me but who knows lol

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 23, 2017 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you should stop doing it. Seems to me it has a place in your life.

You do have Neptune trine Mars and Neptune [19S56] parallel Uranus [19S07]. It is possible you also have Moon parallel Asc, or even Asc actually in the early part of Pisces. That wouldn't be a surprising chart adjustment to correct Asc. You can learn a bit more about that at my site.

Venus conjunct Mercury in Pisces also plays a role in your imagination and music. They are also in parallel aspect.

So your chart isn't lacking anything at all related to either imagination or music and its healing effect on you. I would expect such a thing with someone who has a chart like yours.

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posted October 23, 2017 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Just a note that Neptune is transiting Pisces, so all of this is heightened.

Wow that's so interesting! That's adorable how you had a lil cassette as a lil child. It's funny you mention it, because I still remember some memories of the songs I would listen to as a child. Some songs are attached to these memories for me. Like a remember when I was really young listening to Michael Jackson on my CD player during the car ride to a cherry tree picking field thingy. I also loved listening to music during car rides. I associate that time with Michael Jackson songs even though I was really young and I dont even think I was in kindergarten yet. I used to listen to a lot of Britney Spears too. And actually got her CD for xmas one year and still remembered the lyrics and the instrumentals to the songs when I relisten to them now. So it reminds me of those moments I would binge listen to her CDs. I would steal my mom's CDs to listen to them lol. But yeah, I got happiness out of listening to music. Sometimes not so goood memories though with certain songs I used to listen to as they remind me of an awful time so I avoid them like the plague. But none the less, never found myself to be very gifted artistically, although I did like to draw a lot and also my teachers said I was a good story writer. But how did you come into your artistic energy? How do you express it? I have a hard time with that

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posted October 23, 2017 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't think you should stop doing it. Seems to me it has a place in your life.

You do have Neptune trine Mars and Neptune [19S56] parallel Uranus [19S07]. It is possible you also have Moon parallel Asc, or even Asc actually in the early part of Pisces. That wouldn't be a surprising chart adjustment to correct Asc. You can learn a bit more about that at my site.

Venus conjunct Mercury in Pisces also plays a role in your imagination and music. They are also in parallel aspect.

So your chart isn't lacking anything at all related to either imagination or music and its healing effect on you. I would expect such a thing with someone who has a chart like yours.



Wow I didnt know that 😳 Ive learned so much about myself through my chart. Even potential I didnt think I had. I never thoughy I could be that creative. I know that I kind of dont want to stop doing it, but sometimes it has negative outcomes like not getting my life together lol. But you're right I feel like it's a big part of me. I just dont know if it's healthy that a grown adult is still pacing around the room listening to music in her own world 😂 But you know I probably wouldnt want to stop doing it.

As for my birthtime. My birth certificate says 5:23am. Do you think it's possibly accurate? Since it isnt rounded? I can tell you that when I was first born I has an infection so I stopped breathing. Twice actually. I had to be taken to the ICU. I think that is a pretty big event I think. Im not sure if it shows on my chart.

I always felt like Pisces rising sounded like me before I found my birth certificate. The people around me always think Im an airheadnir something. It's quite annoying. I just tend to be in my head a lot. In school I spent a lot of time daydreaming in class I never listened to the teacher. I dont think Aquarius rising accurately describes me but I thought it may be because I have so many other planets in the 1st house?


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posted October 23, 2017 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't think you should stop doing it. Seems to me it has a place in your life.

You do have Neptune trine Mars and Neptune [19S56] parallel Uranus [19S07]. It is possible you also have Moon parallel Asc, or even Asc actually in the early part of Pisces. That wouldn't be a surprising chart adjustment to correct Asc. You can learn a bit more about that at my site.

Venus conjunct Mercury in Pisces also plays a role in your imagination and music. They are also in parallel aspect.

So your chart isn't lacking anything at all related to either imagination or music and its healing effect on you. I would expect such a thing with someone who has a chart like yours.



Wow I didnt know that 😳 Ive learned so much about myself through my chart. Even potential I didnt think I had. I never thoughy I could be that creative. I know that I kind of dont want to stop doing it, but sometimes it has negative outcomes like not getting my life together lol. But you're right I feel like it's a big part of me. I just dont know if it's healthy that a grown adult is still pacing around the room listening to music in her own world 😂 But you know I probably wouldnt want to stop doing it.

As for my birthtime. My birth certificate says 5:23am. Do you think it's possibly accurate? Since it isnt rounded? I can tell you that when I was first born I has an infection so I stopped breathing. Twice actually. I had to be taken to the ICU. I think that is a pretty big event I think. Im not sure if it shows on my chart.

I always felt like Pisces rising sounded like me before I found my birth certificate. The people around me always think Im an airheadnir something. It's quite annoying. I just tend to be in my head a lot. In school I spent a lot of time daydreaming in class I never listened to the teacher. I dont think Aquarius rising accurately describes me but I thought it may be because I have so many other planets in the 1st house?


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posted October 23, 2017 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
... As for my birthtime. My birth certificate says 5:23am. Do you think it's possibly accurate? Since it isnt rounded?

I'll assume that was pretty accurately recorded. I can tell you that when I was first born I has an infection so I stopped breathing. Twice actually. I had to be taken to the ICU. I think that is a pretty big event I think. Im not sure if it shows on my chart.

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I always felt like Pisces rising sounded like me before I found my birth certificate. The people around me always think Im an airheadnir something. It's quite annoying. I just tend to be in my head a lot. In school I spent a lot of time daydreaming in class I never listened to the teacher. I dont think Aquarius rising accurately describes me but I thought it may be because I have so many other planets in the 1st house?

Yes, With that many planets in Pisces in the 1st house, it can be harder to identify with Aquarius rising even if that is correct. All those planets there transfer 1st house focus to them rather than the Asc itself. But with Moon-Jupiter-Uranus conjunct in Aquarius, if you still don't identify with Aquarius rising, it is worth watching those first couple degrees of Pisces for transits that energize you (such as Sun, Mars, Jupiter) and trigger events.

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posted October 24, 2017 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, With that many planets in Pisces in the 1st house, it can be harder to identify with Aquarius rising even if that is correct. All those planets there transfer 1st house focus to them rather than the Asc itself. But with Moon-Jupiter-Uranus conjunct in Aquarius, if you still don't identify with Aquarius rising, it is worth watching those first couple degrees of Pisces for transits that energize you (such as Sun, Mars, Jupiter) and trigger events.


I really dont know if I have many Aquarius traits. I feel like Im not super relatable to Aquarius. Although I do feel like I do have some Aquarius traits, I dont really understand why I have so many Aquarius placements. I may be unaware who knows. Alll I know is I do fit Aquarius traits in the way that I tend to not gravitate towards trends. I like to be my own person and I actually enjoy being unique in small ways. I am not out out eccentric but I dont like to follow the status quo. Independence part is hard to know for sure because I feel like it's very hard for me to assert myself and go off on my own but I think I am independent in the way Im not clingy. And I am fine doing things on ny own. But everything else I still feel like ??? I dont relate to being a socialable person. Since I was little I was very shy and quiet and fount it hard to socialize. I prefer not to socialize. It's not easy for me to make friends and for some reason people don't care to be ny friend. Not sure why. I guess Im boring? Or Im detached who knows. Anyways sorry Im rambling on lol I just thought I let you know about how I relate to Aquarius because how I have so many placements in Aquarius is an 8th wonder to ne still

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