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Ami Anne
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posted October 09, 2017 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done other articles on this subject. However, I have had more time to do charts since my last article. Hence, I have more insight. Some aspects I thought were difficult are more difficult than I thought. Some aspects are new. I hope this article will help you to get more insight into yourself and those whom you love. One of the main tenets of Astrology, for me, is that one did not choose one’s chart and it’s struggles are not one’s fault.

1 Mercury Square Uranus
The mind seems to have an electric kind of worry. The mind seems as if it never shuts down. The mind seems to torment the individual. If you have this aspect and never understood why you were the way you were, so to speak, this aspect may be why.

2. Chiron Conjunct the Ascendant

This aspect denotes bullying–the closer the orb, the worse the bullying. I don’t think people who have not been bullied can understand those that have. I have not, fortunately. I have a safety aspect in this arena. It is Pluto Conjunct Dejanira, which does not allow others to bully them. However, I have seen the devastation in the lives of people who have been bullied. The pain goes very, very deep and may last a lifetime.

3. Pluto Conjunct the IC

This seems to be a violent childhood. If not physical violence, then the threat of it.

4. Uranus Conjunct the IC

The IC is a very sensitive point in the chart. It may be the most vulnerable point in the chart. Hence, pay attention to that which conjuncts the IC in the chart. With Uranus conjunct the IC, the early childhood was, likely, unsafe and erratic. The parent, usually the mother, may have been a drug addict, had affairs or been mentally ill. There may have been a number of causes for the lack of safety, of course.

5. Sado Conjunct the IC

Sado is sadism. Hence, the child, likely, dealt with this trait in his or her early home. VERY sad!

6. Nemesis Conjunct the Moon

I have this. It is a mother who is a hidden enemy. A hidden enemy may be worse than an overt one.That is debatable, of course.Often, the native with this aspect finds it very hard to trust women, in general.

7. Aphophis Conjunct Mercury

Aphophis connotes chaos and destruction. I have seen just this in a person with Aphophis Conjunct Mercury. The person is close to me, so I can see it in someone I know, personally, versus a client, whom I know online. This aspect makes it very hard to quiet the mind. It makes it very hard to concentrate. It makes it very hard to understand simple concepts. I could call it the ADD aspect, so you can remember.

8. Sedna Conjunct the IC

Sedna is severe betrayal by men. Hence, this native was likely betrayed very badly by men as a child.

9 Pluto in the 12th House

Pluto is primal power. It signifies all one’s primal passions from rage and jealousy to lust. The 12th House repressed that which lies within. I have seen people be “too nice” and have “no wants” with this aspect. This is not the fault of the native, but the suppression of primal passions seems to result in things like psychosomatic illnesses and, also, a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness.

10. Uranus Conjunct Mars

This is the accident prone aspect.This natives are kind of clumsy, through no fault of their own.

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posted October 10, 2017 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 10, 2017 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank Ami

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posted October 10, 2017 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course I have nemesis conj my moon! My mother is my closest "friend" but also the one I have the biggest issues and fights with.
And of course Apophis is also conj my moon. My emotional world is pure chaos, as if uranus, saturn and mars and chiron were not enough for my pore moon :/

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posted October 10, 2017 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
Of course I have nemesis conj my moon! My mother is my closest "friend" but also the one I have the biggest issues and fights with.
And of course Apophis is also conj my moon. My emotional world is pure chaos, as if uranus, saturn and mars and chiron were not enough for my pore moon :/

How close are these, M?

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posted October 10, 2017 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Thank Ami

Hi Sweetie. Haven't talked much lately and just wanted to say hello


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posted October 10, 2017 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gonna do a part 2 and maybe even 3. Any suggestions with the reasons why?

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posted October 10, 2017 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close are these, M?



My moon is 20 degrees gemini. Apophis is 23 degrees gemini. Nemesis is 26 degrees gemini.

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posted October 10, 2017 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nemesis is too wide for an asteroid, my Friend. Aphophis is wide but could be felt. Do you feel your emotions are chaotic. 3 is very wide for an asteroid, so you are fortunate in that, my Friend.

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posted October 10, 2017 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have pluto in the 12th but I also have Venus conjunct Mars in the 10th with scorpio rising so I am definitely in touch with my passions, primal side and desires perhaps pluto in the 12th tames that a bit and hides some of it and is why I have not killed anyone LOL, JK but seriously I have fantasized about strangling people bf but it stays in the fantasy world; I would never EVER act on it, incapable of it, I think also having Saturn conjunct my Pluto helps cool off my Pluto and helps set needed limits in my mind so things stay only in the fantasy world. I hate violence and have had girls when I was younger want to fight me and I refused to fight them bc I feel violence is primal and beneath me but I am aware of my dark side and can have nasty fantasies if you push my bottoms enough. I think saturn keeps my pluto in check and the 12th house helps me let go of my anger and helps me channel my anger via fantasy.

I did notice that when Tr jupiter conjuncted my Pluto I was edgy, stressed and felt not in control but now that is conjuncting my saturn and separating from my pluto I feel very much in control and very productive and not stressed or edgy. I have pluto conjunct saturn.

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posted October 10, 2017 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

please don't quote.

Ami, you've really hit it but can I add that an opposition Mars/Uranus (IC/MC) can be ill fated with accidents, addiction and ability to create enemy (enemies) due to the animosity this aspect generates. These people can be worthy of hot arguments, strategic competitions or just disagreeable people.
It may well be a Ceaser aspects. I believe that I read assassinations can be a result of this aspect. I have it -this aspect. I understand it too well and see the flaws and effects of this astro marker within my own lifeline. Watching my back has been innate all my life.I've experienced acrimonious encounters from others I wouldn't have thought would be so cruel.

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posted October 10, 2017 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you MM for that info.The opposition in these hard aspects is close to the square in difficulty.

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posted October 11, 2017 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On astro.com, how do I check to see what aspects my IC?

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posted October 11, 2017 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend has both Pluto, mars and Uranus conj their IC. His father would just beat him to let off steam well into his teenage years. His mother is bi-polar and would regularly scream at him and throw things whenever aggravated. His older brother would also beat him up regularly (taking example from their father).

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posted October 11, 2017 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astra:
On astro.com, how do I check to see what aspects my IC?

The IC is directly opposite the MC in degree and sign, Astra xxx

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posted October 11, 2017 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Lalafortuna


SOOOO sad

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posted October 11, 2017 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure it's a combination of things in his chart, but one of the biggest you-know-what's I've ever met had:

Sun sq. Mars
Sun sq. Saturn
Sun sq. Pluto
Mars conj. Saturn
Mars conj. Pluto

Textbook narcissistic personality disorder. It's actually hard to tell if he truly does care deeply about anyone/anything, or if he's just a really good faker. Very selfish. Awful.

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posted October 11, 2017 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The squares are kind of pushed away parts of the self. The person has to kind of repress one side of the square, so they may appear a certain way such as aloof etc, but down deep they are suffering--not that you want to be around them lol

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An ex has Mercury in Gemini opp Uranus in Sag. I have Mercury-Uranus parallel. I call it the "forgetfulness" aspect.

Not in the Neptune/Jupiter kind of way of overlooking detail. But the complete black-out of really getting off your trail of thought and only recalling things AFTER the fact.

We call each other days after we missed each other's call.

We have conversations left open-ended.

We both genuinely and unintentionally forget appointments we have with people. It affects our social life.....a lot.

We both are quite high strung.

We both work very stressful jobs that require "to the minute" updates.

Its not an easy natal aspect to have. The mind is never "off"(similar to Mercury/Mars square which I also have)

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This is not specific but a generalization of the heavy aspects..... for the first part of this post..

I would imagine the hardest would be heavy aspects with Saturn, Pluto..... logically it would seem that way BUT, Uranus and Neptune aspects feel worse than the first two mentioned.... with Saturn you can build and overcome fear. Pluto is a woozy and it hits you hard in the soul, but one can grow from it.... if one can bear the intensity of it.

Uranus is a nauseating rollercoaster ride of uncertainty that makes a person run for the hills and to escape the insane madness..... and Neptune.... if I had a rocket, I'd blow it out of the sky...... such a bad 'drug' trip.... if one thought wonderland was trippy and funky.....no Neptune is 1000 times worse. It's like fighting what you can't see (a hunch that something is up, but just don't know exactly what it is). .... blinders.... while one waltzes around oblivious to things.....

Uranus t square(sun, mars, Uranus, Chiron) wand hard Neptune (Venus, Jupiter, Neptune)... aspects are in my chart....

My oldest daughter has a devil of a chart.... Sun conj north node and Saturn.... all opposing Pluto....

Her father has Venus conj Saturn opposite Jupiter and all three squaring Pluto...

The father's Saturn/Venus conj in Gemini conj all of My oldest's sun/node/Saturn conj......opposite her Pluto...
I guess she lives out her daddy issues there

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posted October 12, 2017 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At the moment I’m really struggling with mars square Neptune in my chart.

I hate it.

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posted October 12, 2017 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto conjunct the IC--doesn't ring true in my husband's case. No violence. Stable upbringing, but painful emotionally. In his case Pluto is death/transformation. He lost both his parents at an early age, his mom to breast cancer at 12, his dad at 20 to a heart attack. My niece also has the conjunction, and she lost her dad at 3 yrs old. Her mother is out of the picture currently.

Mercury square Uranus--I have this square exact and agree with what you've said. It's challenging but also a great gift when called upon creatively.

I would add Venus square Saturn to your list. 10x more difficult than Mercury square Uranus for me

Chiron conj ASC--doesn't ring true in my sister's case, no bullying, well liked, and she has the conjunction at the exact degree

Uranus conjunct IC-- interesting that you said childhood was erratic. I know one person with a tight conjunction who had a picture-perfect childhood, but their adult life is erratic, drug use, moving homes, etc

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