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posted August 17, 2023 10:09 AM            

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I have a question about the orb of influence between the moon and pluto (Hade's moon). This is a conjunction with 7 degrees in between and the moon and pluto are in different houses. (moon 11th house, pluto 10th house), both in Capricorn. Is there less of an influence? or any influence at all?
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posted August 17, 2023 11:25 AM            

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I think anything that touches your Moon will have a strong influence esp when it’s a major aspect like a conjunction. In my experience i have very often seen both from myself and others that wide aspects shows itself and has influence esp when you are dealing with a square, opposition or conjunction.

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posted August 17, 2023 08:08 PM            

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queenofswords, it may potentially. I think what you're asking is if it's possible you have a hades moon? Am I hearing that? I think your best bet is to look at the chart as a whole and see how moon and pluto is working in the natal chart with the rest. My perspective is the orb is one part of the practice to help interpret the chart.

I feel I was in your shoes because I have my moon and pluto 7º apart, different sign and same house. There were other aspects that form these aspect together. This is how I would analyze the chart. Making connections together.

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posted August 18, 2023 09:38 AM            

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Hello, and thanks for your reply. I definitely have hades moon with moon opposite pluto exact degree, and a yod which im certain was to help me (through great difficulty) to stop generational toxicity. This is my daughter's natal moon and pluto. I cant stand to think i did not stop the toxicity for her. I was crying every night to sleep when she was in my stomach bc of my family and the first year was a nightmare as I thought I could depend on my family for support and they showed their true colors. I have since put up boundaries and learned to live on my own the way I want to live my life for myself and my daughter. I am still bothered by them, their jealousies, their will for me to fail, my daughter sees me cry bc of their judgmental abandonment, my mother scorns her as well as me and I stick up for her and shes seen us fight and I know it bothers her. Enmeshment could be an issue as she is my light and I adore her with all I have but I also have always wanted her to be herself and pushed her to make choices she wants, not what she thinks others want. I literally take how I was raised and do the opposite with her as I was raised to not know who I was. Its scary to realize you dont even know your favorite color, music or style. (dont worry, i know it now, i went through deep transformation). I am always there to take her to hang with friends and be in sports, plays, music, unlike my mother who kept me from friends. I know I have been unpredictable in the past and blown up over small things, but a couple times in 10 years is normal and I am very aware when its about to happen and can ease it. We also used to sleep together almost every night but she does not anymore and we are both independent people. I thought may enmeshment might be the case but I am so NOT helicopter mom and I truly want her to be what she wants, go away for college, find her own life, I just want to 100% support her and be her biggest fan and cheerleader. We are closer than most mother/daughters but what if im enmeshing and limiting her? I dont feel like I am but you never know.

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posted August 18, 2023 10:25 AM            

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@queenofswords just keep being a supportive mom without getting too overbearing but also have some boundaries and know when you need to set your foot down. Also be watchful of your own problems and the toxcitity you have been dealing with and not expose it to her too much, that was a part of your journey but it doesn’t have to be hers. I know it can be common for people who has their Moon in aspect to Pluto to deal with an overbearing and controlling mother but it’s not always like that Pluto has another side to it too. Pluto can also form deep unbreakable bonds or show a mother that might be more passionate and intense in her ways. What you need to learn to do now is not give more power to your mother/family and let them choose what you should feel. They are not there to uplift you it seems and if that is what you are looking for from them then you will lose and keep being in a pool of toxcitity. Don’t let your mistakes and their words deicide how you’ll end up. Be a better influence in your child’s life and do it your way.

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posted August 18, 2023 01:41 PM            

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thanks, my father died when I was young and my mom felt no need to keep in touch with his family nor her own so its just been me, my 2 sisters and my mom growing up and now they all despise me and want to see me fail. They are exactly like the 2 wicked step sisters and stepmother in Cinderella, I cannot think of a better way to explain them. I, however, am not as innocent as Cinderella, but I bet she had my hades moon but without it being an aries moon (mine is aries, I raged to stick up for myself growing up which didnt help at all as no one heard me and didnt care about my feelings, still dont). I'm through with my patriarchal/trumpy sisters but still i was crying one time and I mentioned to my daughter "i have no family that loves me" bc its true. My mom says she loves me but its only a conditional love, its the only way she knows how to love. My daughter said "yes you do, i love you". It was very sweet and made me feel better but probably should not have included her in my issues. There's so much I want to tell her bc if I die, and she just has them to reflect on me, they will tell lies. Im not planning on dying, but waiting for the right time to tell her everything they did to me. I want her to know why i put up boundaries and kept her away from my family and help her to spot toxicity so she can set boundaries with them too. She already has an idea of what they are currently doing to me, she sees that for herself. Even then, i let her know that I still love them and wish the best for them and try not to let her know it bothers me. I know its too much for her. Im afraid she can see how my mother abandons me so easily (over and over bc she threatens it, then does it and always comes back to do it again) and Im afraid she thinks it would be easy for me to abandon her.

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posted August 18, 2023 03:24 PM            

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@queenofswords she won’t if you don’t give her any reason to be learn from your own experiences and give her advice when she needs it. Teach her how to be strong and confident in herself by being an example to her. Something i have also noticed is that people with an Aries Moon might have grown up with a mother that can be very selfish.

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