posted January 07, 2022 01:28 PM            

If someone has it in their chart, I pay most attention to a Planet conjunct their Ascendant and/or in their 1st House. More than any other condition in astrology, this says A LOT about a person. It can overwhelm and color the entire rest of the chart, even the Sun, Rising, and Moon Signs.

I gave some specific examples on this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/011569.html

Edit to add, I also look at other Angular Planets, and then strongest aspects to Angular rulers, especially 1st and 10th.

Then I look for any repeating patterns between different levels or areas of symbols, like Planets, Signs, and/or Houses. Such repeating patterns, often can be found.

The two above in combo alone, will tell you a lot about a person. Course you also want to look at current, powerful transits. For example, my partner is under a T. Pluto leaving a conjunction with her Asc/going through the 1st House. It is definitely coloring her entire life and psyche. It doesn't completely change her natal attunemnt, but she is definitely more Plutonian attuned than normal. And it's funny in a way, but she has had numerous dream during this cycle of clear symbolism of needing to face and plumb her shadow more. And her shadow has definitely been stirred up under this cycle.

Duads/decanates, asteroids, etc, etc, etc are minor notes and follow the principle that to some extent, astrology and charts tend to be somewhat fractal in nature. Remember how I talked about looking for larger, repeating patterns between different, but related symbols? Yeah, my experience with the above minor notes, has shown me that more often than not, they just are a fractal way of repeating certain themes and patterns that already can be seen in the major symbols and parts of the chart.

Like for example, I have Leo Rising, but in the Sag decanate. Well, der, Jupiter and 9th House are both highlighted in my chart, even though I have very little Sag Sign highlighting other than Neptune in Sag. More specicifically I have Jupiter retrograding back into the 1st, and my chart ruler the Sun, is trine a Mars Jupiter conjunction, where Mars rules my 9th and Jupiter the 5th... See, a larger, connected, fractal like pattern that the decanate more so just supports, rather than actually adding important, extra information.

posted January 07, 2022 01:50 PM            

But something important could be missing if the declinations are not included. I always read and interpret them. It's the thing that most commonly fills in the gaps from prior interpretations. It can be quite a revelation to find out you have Uranus parallel your Asc and possibly the most important aspect in your chart when no other interpretation has ever given that planet any emphasis or real explanation.

There isn't any single thing within the natal chart (like Sun or Moon) that has the same level of importance for everyone. It is a matter of surveying the chart closely and seeing what it says. That's why it is important for the astrologer to have a very well rounded understanding and move beyond categories (cook book) for interpretation.

I've also learned to trust synchronicity and just allow that what my impressions are that should be said will be timely and appropriate. A bit down the road they might get something entirely different from another astrologer, which may also be equally relevant at that time.

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posted January 07, 2022 02:50 PM            

In other words, the analysis of the ascendant is the most important thing when looking at a chart imo.

But often times, exact time of birth is not known, and in such case, honestly, I feel you only get half of the understanding of the chart you would normally have. Exact position of the moon will not be known and that is a major loss.

posted January 07, 2022 03:06 PM            

Rarely does this guidance ever mention anything Zodiacal Signs related. Not even Sun, Rising, or Moon Signs. These do get mentioned at times, but rarely compared to the below.

But what Cayce's guidance consistently focuses on was a combo of the strongest/most highlighted Planets going from most so, (i.e. predominant) to less so.

And his guidance would couch it in somewhat odd terms, such as, "The Entity entered in from Venus direct, with Mercury, Jupiter, and Uranus assisting" or the like. That specific list and order was important, and tells us that Venus was the most prominent consciousness in this person, but then Mercury was pretty strong too, Jupiter also but a bit less than Mercury, and then similar with Uranus.

But what did he mean by entering in from Venus? Did the Soul in between lives, go to the physical planet Venus, and have a party with other Souls there, merrily singing and dancing...? Nah, but rather what he (his guidance) was talking about, is that this Soul came into the 3rd dimension (i.e. physical earth) from the 4th, nonphysical dimension, and that in our dimension, we can use Venus as a correlating symbol or representation of this 4th, nonphysical dimension. A Jungian synchronicity due to the Oneness of the Whole...

Dimensions are major consciousness states where everyone in that dimension with you, shares certain similar core attunement, values, beliefs, and energetics. In the 4th dimension, Souls are quite kind, positive, and loving towards each other, but in a way that is more personal love geared, than a very Universal type way. Basically, in the 4th dimension, we are hanging out with former friends, family members, etc that we were close to and/or other people on a very similar wavelength that we would "vibe with".

And the 4th dimension, is more "earth like" in some ways that people may realize, because in the 4th dimension, individuals, despite being nonphysically focused now, still are fairly attached to their past human identity and experiences. So they tend to recreate their favorites houses, favorite parks, favorite music, etc, etc, etc All the lovely, enjoyable things about Earth, are found also in the 4th dimension, co-created by all these various different souls. Also, we still present to each other, "like" we have a body image/form, which is typically the last one we had on Earth, but at it's peak of health and/or enjoyment. I may have died at 80, but when I chill with my peeps, I make myself look like I am 25 (or whatever favorite age/cycle I had on earth).

And people still very much like to "get it on" in the 4th dimension, with a focus on gender still often (unless the individuals in question were homosexual, asexual, or the like). Course you can't literally have physical sex in the 4th dimension, since you don't actually have a physical body anymore, but you can kind of recreate it, and then merge energetically with that other individual. It is not uncommon to find favorite partners together spending a lot of time in the 4th dimension.

And now we can better understand, why "Venus", has these correlations of "harmony", "getting along", being attracted to others in a more personal way, etc, etc.

These past dimensional/consciousness states that we experienced on a Soul level, very, very strongly influence on a very deep level. Course past lifetimes also can influence us, but these are more connected to the Zodiac Signs and their patterns. And, according to both Cayce's guidance and to my own long time observation, this part of us tends to be more "wavering" in nature as compared to core, planetary strengths like Angular planets and the like.

For example, this is why you can get a Taurus Sun--normally rather passive to borderline downright lazy, but if they have Mars conjunct their Asc (and probably just came in from the Mars symbolized dimension of the 2nd dimension), then they might be quite filled with energy, very active, and full of p!ss and vinegar, even though they are a Taurus sun. You will see the Taurus here and there, but often either more tempoarily or in specific areas of life (perhaps they love to sing or garden or build with their hands), but the Mars will be a steady, strong, underlining current of energy within them in a much more consistent sense.

That is, until they go through some kind of major transformation or change either towards evolving or devolving. If they evolve away from Mars (i.e. become faster vibratory), they might start to attune more and more to Mercury for example. If they devolve from Mars and become slower vibratory, they might phase to Saturn, or rather, more specifically, when they drop their bodies and enter the nonphysical fully again, they either go to the last part of the 3rd dimension (the 7th sub dimension of the 3rd major dimension) right before the 4th dimension (correlated with Mercury), or they will go into the lowest parts of the 2nd dimension or in the 1st dimension, or they might even experience a somewhat rare soul death (i.e. 0 dimensions, because you no longer exist).

And a percentage of souls, get trapped in the levels even slower vibratory in between the 3rd and 4th dimension, which is correlated to the Moon. These are our "earthbound" "ghost" friends who are stuck and haven't moved on to the fully nonphysical dimensions that they belong in. Stuck from attachments, trauma, and/or strong belief systems such as religion or anti same , where they were told and strongly believed, "this or this happens to you after your body dies".

Bruce Moen gave an example of a retrieval he partook in where the former human woman had a very strong religious belief that after the body dies, the soul sleeps until the trumpets sound. Well, she put herself, through this strong belief, into a sleep like state, but never heard any damn trumpets and so she stayed stuck in this limited existence/perceptual context for quite a long time until someone helped shift her perspective to a more accurate and freeing one (i.e. the very core and fundamental meaning of "retrieval").

Beliefs powerfully influence perception on some very deep and often unconscious levels--both as humans, but even more manifestly in the nonphysical.

P.S. (There are 7 main dimension in our little consciousness system, but each of these have 7 sub dimensions/levels, for a total of 49 levels. Then, there is an 8th dimension connected to our system, but this is more like a doorway/portal to other different, and more expanded, faster vibratory systems--this 8th dimension is most often correlated to the Star Arcturus, but can also be correlated to Polaris. Anyways, each of the major Planets either have a correlation with one of the major 7 dimensions or to one of the more specific levels, like the Moon correlates to levels between 12 and 16 i.e. 3rd dimension x 4th level and 3rd dimension times 6th level/sub-dimension). Poor Moon, doesn't even get a whole major dimension for herself.

Dimensions btw, are much like the colors on a color wheel. They don't just jump from one to the next or previous, completely unique/different-fully formed, but rather they gradually phase into one another and become more and more like the next, previous or current one. That is because there are many gradient degrees of vibrational resonance and it is a fluid spectrum. The Lunar levels are both not "far" from physical earth, and neither are they far from the Mercury level, which is right at the cusp of true nonphysical and right before Venus i.e. the 4th dimension.

posted January 07, 2022 03:21 PM            

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...The Entity entered in from Venus direct, with Mercury, Jupiter, and Uranus assisting" or the like. That specific list and order was important, and tells us that Venus was the most prominent consciousness in this person, but then Mercury was pretty strong too, Jupiter also but a bit less than Mercury, and then similar with Uranus...

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Another way we could understand and conceptualize this, is by comparing to a human aura. Say in the mental layer of a person's aura, you see a lot of emerald green to cyan. In fact, there is more of that color than any other in this person's aura. But then, you also see that they have a lot of yellow and/or tan in their aura, but less prominent than the green to cyan. But then you also notice that they have a good chunk of purple in their aura, but less than all that green/cyan and even a bit less than the yellow and/or tan colors.

Actually, this is not just a metaphorical type imagination exercise. There are often direct correlations between especially Natal charts and sometimes powerful transits, with the colors of a human aura. They are both different ways to view the same exact thing--the vibrational wavelength range of consciousness.

And in the aura, in the mental or 3rd "layer" you can see more of the Planetary strengths correlations, especially natally and sometimes very powerful transits like conjunctions to the Asc. In the emotional or 2nd layer of the aura, you can see more of things like Sign highlighting, more minor to moderat transits and progressions.

The differenc between these layers is that the mental/3rd layer stays a lot more consistent and if it does change, it changes more slowly with time or major self growth or devolution. Whereas the emotional/2nd layer of the aura can be a bit of a fireworks type display in that there is often a lot of constant shifting colors, patterns, etc, ultimately relating more to a person's temporary mood.

posted January 07, 2022 05:16 PM            

I have this weird theory born out of experience that our natal chart and our understanding of it are actually not static.

As we evolve on our earthly journey, we discover things in our natal chart that we didn't notice before, as unlikely as it seems.

It is almost as if, yes, As Above So Below, but the reverse is also true, As Below So Above.

Changes in our psyche become reflected in our chart. At least this has been my personal experience, studying my chart for decades, and thinking I knew all about it and discovering new things about it that match the way I evolved.

posted January 08, 2022 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
^^^GCEV2, interesting position about the natal chart being an old program...

I have this weird theory born out of experience that our natal chart and our understanding of it are actually not static.

As we evolve on our earthly journey, we discover things in our natal chart that we didn't notice before, as unlikely as it seems.

It is almost as if, yes, As Above So Below, but the reverse is also true, As Below So Above.

Changes in our psyche become reflected in our chart. At least this has been my personal experience, studying my chart for decades, and thinking I knew all about it and discovering new things about it that match the way I evolved.

So perhaps, we do create our reality, and even our chart...

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It's an interesting observation, but I would be more inclined to interpret thusly: Changes at a being/consciousness level, have corresponding changes in our perceptions and perceptual capacity. For example, if we attune more to universal Love consciousness and become more balanced and spiritually mature, our perception/perceptual capacity will start to expand, deepen, and clarify the more and more we do so.

So when we look at a rather complex, multi layered, holistically encoded message construct that contains A LOT of information--like a Natal chart, then we just see more, see more deeply, and/or see more accurately in relation to it. The chart hasn't changed--its the same data/info that has been there from the beginning, but you and thus your perception has changed.

A Natal chart does not show current/present use of freewill. It literally cannot. But an aura and aura patterns is real time updated to any changes in our consciousness in relation to freewill use. No one, not even the Source Itself, can always accurately predict ahead of time, how a Soul will use its freewill and make choices.

Freewill is like the chaos/random potential that exists within an otherwise ordered/structured, harmonious, and planned system. The Source (and then later one of It's fully grown up, companion/Co-Creator children) specifically added that layer and possibility to creation and to our consciousness so that we would not be automatons, but could become true companions that choose, of our own volition, to merge with the Source (which is what the Source deeply hopes/longs for, but never forces).

posted January 08, 2022 02:08 PM            

ETA: But I still wouldn't view a natal chart as an old program that might be obsolete. It could be that it is our interpretation of the chart that gets better with time and spiritual work. However, even saying that would imply that everything in our lives is already set, that our destiny is already set in stone in our chart, and I am spiritually uncomfortable with that... Which is why I am more inclined to believe that perhaps we do change our chart as we evolve.

posted January 08, 2022 08:10 PM            

Generally more gifted souls have outer planet aspects. They could even be special incarnated souls like supernatural entities or connected to them.

The more rare the aspects, the more rare the chart.

Rare aspects are seen by exact conjunctions to outer planets (under 1 orb). If you see this its safe to say that person is advanced spiritually.

Why are they rare because they only conjunct the outer planet about once a year. A once a year aspect is rare because most people have charts aspects that happen every week.

Next I look for strong or weak planets. For example if I see Mercury is Aries, that means the person is really good at science and math. Mercury is exalted in Aries, not Virgo. Most scientists have Mercury in Aries or Mercury in Gemini. Einstein has Mercury in Aries and Tesla has Mercury in Gemini.

If Mercury is in a weaker sign such as Pisces or conjunct the Moon, that is bad and the person has a confused mind and weak intelligence.

posted January 09, 2022 08:52 PM            

The MC is the next most sensitive point in the chart after the Asc, and does tend to highlight Planetary energies quite a bit. But, with a different flavor and pattern. Often with the MC/10th, we more so eventually develop into those energies over time and experience, especially once we start our career path. And these indications often relate more to our career and/or how we serve society.

Mercury is Pisces tends to be prone to a lot of those patterns that you mentioned i.e. a somewhat unfocused, diffuse, scattered mental disposition. But on the plus side, it tends to a creative, imaginative, and more intuitive position than most. If you get in touch with the left hemisphere of the brain more and learn to ground and focus better, it becomes quite a potent and expansive combo.

For example, I have Mercury in Capricorn widely conjunt my Sun, the chart ruler, and trine, with about .5* of separation, to Virgo Jupiter retrograding back into the 1st. The Jupiter close trine and general strong highlighting indicates a very expanded, holistic, whole forest perceiving, imaginative, and intuitive intellect, but the Capricorn and Virgo help to ground and balance it, with a more "left brain" type attunement at the same time. Leads to a very "whole brain" attunement that can see both the forest and the individual trees simultaneously very well.

If you can learn/practice becoming more organized, linear logical, analytical, and focused in your mental approach (there are various things you can do to help with that), and keep all that Pisces sensitivity, intuition, imagination, creativity, etc, like I said, it will become quite a potent combo.

posted January 09, 2022 10:00 PM            

Uranus square can indicate a more erratic, up and down, down and up kind of mind, and can also increase the intuitive side of things as well (as well as stubbornness, way more so than Pisces).