posted December 03, 2019 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I know someone who is painfully shy. Just cannot communicate or approach anyone.

With tUranus conjunct his Asc, do you think this might shake up his communication style for a while?

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What is his Mercury sign, house placements, and tightest planetary aspects? What is going on with his 3rd House Sign, potential planetary inhabitant, and house ruler?

posted December 03, 2019 05:35 PM            

Both are in the first house, so the conjunction is presenting on the surface.

Also, Chiron in Aries in the 11th shows self-confidence challenges in group settings.

posted December 03, 2019 06:06 PM            

No he is so not into technology at all!! He doesn't own a computer either, he just has a phone. He also doesn't enjoy texting or communicating via technology. He doesn't work using computers either.

If he wants to speak to me, I can feel him itching for me to contact him first.. So I do, he can't even reach out first because his fear of rejection is so strong.

posted December 03, 2019 06:07 PM            

That and a Moon-Neptune opposition, putting even more emphasis on his psychic, sensitive nature. I myself have the conjunction between my Moon and Neptune (+ Neptune conj IC) and it makes me extremely sensitive to outside stimuli. When I'm tired, just being awake and doing the things I have to do take all of my energy. He may be more overwhelmed (especially emotionally) than actually all that shy?

Plus, the planet that rules his Gem moon is in the 12th! This can make someone need a lot of time alone, not necessarily because they want to be, but because they have to, in order to recharge and rest.

And Neptune/12th house is hard to explain in a way linking it to the mundane - so, he may not realize this is what's happening. I guess the closest I could explain it is not having a filter for everything happening around you. While the average person would be able to filter out what they want to pay attention to (people, music, traffic, etc.), a very heavy dose of Neptune dissoves this kind of filter. I remember I would feel just exhausted after a trip or outing for the day, without it being all that tiring or anything and no idea why... if I even realized how tired I'd gotten from it.

So he may just be mostly trying to filter things out I guess. But obviously you would know more about what's happening. Just an outsider's look. :smile: I also kept looking at that North Node so close to his MC - so getting out of his private, comfi zone at home (IC/4th house South Node) would be something he could really use to get more out of life. I would say he definitely does have a passionate side to him, especially in relating to people (Mars in the 7th), with that Mars in Scorpio, though!

Oh and sometimes shyness can also be about upbringing, like, maybe he was raised very solitarity and he's used to having to only really look out for himself? (That's not intended as "selfish"! Just that someone can put all of their energy into things that they need to do for themselves, obligations, etc. Or if this is recent, they may have un-learned some skills - not to say they can't pick it back up again, though!) And sometimes it's even the reverse, with someone having grown up in a very large or at least tight family they could always count on, so, when having to do things like work alone, it takes them a while to figure it out and to get things done.

Any of that sounds like your person? :smile:

posted December 03, 2019 06:20 PM            

He actually stayed in a 10 years relationship he wanted out of but didn't leave for a long time. She even said she would kill herself if he left, so he stayed as he didn't want that on his shoulders.

He said he lacks confidence because his father beat him as a child. He didn't have a solitarity upbringing, but a lack of love from his parents who are regretting it and busy making up for it now. He is so super duper strict on himself with diet and excerise, Moon-Saturn again?

He works all day from 6 am to 3 pm in a manual trade then goes to the gym for 2 hours a day after work. Then when I ask him what he had for lunch, he says a can of tuna!!! Talk about being strict and disciplined.

Not sure about the passionate side of him, you say Mars in Scorpio, but his Mars is in Taurus?

Would their be anything that would ever make him come out of his shell? I keep hoping that Uranus transit will shake him up and make him act differently as least while it goes over his ASC..

posted December 03, 2019 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Thank you for such an in-depth reply meissieri. You are right about him being super sensitive! he says he hates this part of himself and wish he wasn't that way, not sure if that was the Moon in 1H or Pisces Sun.

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Definitely the Pisces Sun being a singleton.

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He actually stayed in a 10 years relationship he wanted out of but didn't leave for a long time. She even said she would kill herself if he left, so he stayed as he didn't want that on his shoulders.

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I was extremely hesistant about saying anything, but that Neptune on the cusp of 7th and 8th houses would cloud realities of the relationship and bring themes of sex, finances, and death into it. Scorpio is also the cusp of the 7th house with similar themes. Check out the transits to natal Neptune when they broke up.

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He said he lacks confidence because his father beat him as a child. He didn't have a solitarity upbringing, but a lack of love from his parents who are regretting it and busy making up for it now.

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I was wondering about the Leo IC. It can go either way; very generous upbringing or incredibly insecure home.

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He is so super duper strict on himself with diet and excerise, Moon-Saturn again?

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Yes.

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He works all day from 6 am to 3 pm in a manual trade then goes to the gym for 2 hours a day after work. Then when I ask him what he had for lunch, he says a can of tuna!!! Talk about being strict and disciplined.

Not sure about the passionate side of him, you say Mars in Scorpio, but his Mars is in Taurus?

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Messieri was referring to his transit Mars and what may be coming up for him.

Mars in Taurus makes for some of the hardest workers ever and the most earthly; so manual labor actually fits the Mars in Taurus bill. However, Mars is in the 1st house which makes it an accidental dignity. The placement shows an active, passionate, take-initiative type of person. Hearing about his work ethic and discipline, he's clearly passionate about being consistent (Taurus.) Remember Mars also rules his 12th house, so that might give him that "unseen" passion. Just my 2 cents.

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Would their be anything that would ever make him come out of his shell? I keep hoping that Uranus transit will shake him up and make him act differently as least while it goes over his ASC..

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It's possible. Best to let the experienced astrologers answer this!

posted December 03, 2019 09:38 PM            

Thanks for replying.

He said his parents now spoil him and his siblings to make up for the ill treatment.

He has no interest of higher education. I'm not sure about his interest in travel. I know he has travelled. When I told him I do, then he said he does too.. Whenever I say I am into something he says he is too. But I wonder if he says this because I am.

There's another thing that totally blows my mind about him, as I am a complete 180 from it.. He did his apprenticeship in the 80s when he was 16 yo.. He is still at the same place!!!?

I change my job/career frequently currently every 2 years.. But he has only ever had one job! With one organisation! Doing the same thing!

posted December 04, 2019 07:47 AM            

The opposition in and of itself is a representation of the abuse he suffered at the hands of his father. The wounding that controlling Pluto inflicted relates to his selfhood and solar expression and would have affected him deeply. I suppose it's even worse because of the Sun being in the anaretic degree and Pluto in the critical..

His Pluto in the critical degree represents critical energy. I think this may have a Virgo-like effect of him being critical of himself, working hard and being very disciplined with exercise and diet. The fact that this is his Pluto planet and part of the pluto-sun opposition representing the father's abuse, wouldn't surprise me if all of this is his coping mechanism of dealing with this childhood abuse.

An interpretation from https://www.1123amm.com/degrees/2017/6/22/the-magical-anaretic-29th-degree also points out to his difficulty of expressing himself with Sun in the anaretic degree .

If the Sun is posited in an Anaretic Degree, these individuals have to deal with a major unfulfilled drive for self-expression each time the Sun is set off by Saturn or any of the outer planets. Jupiter is instrumental in this process, stimulating past memories and karmic conditions that must be dealt with if these people are to expand in self-expression. Jupiter and Saturn transits stir them to an awareness of the ego's demand for self-expression through the ambitions and through the practical circumstances of life which these planes activate. The outer planers-Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto-can subject these individuals to the effects of large-scale cultural changes that demand a creative effort on their part to bring about practical realization of what is required of them in the larger scheme of things.

Considering the upcoming transits, with Jupiter having already entered Capricorn and the Pluto / Saturn conjunctions in Capricorn, there's a lot of change going to happen. People with good karma are going to be rewarded and people who always were the underdog and you thought were going to mount to nothing, are going to go ahead in life. However, I heard an astrologer advice that we do need to speak up about our desires and what we really want, because only then Jupiter will be able to reward us during this transit. I see he may have some difficulties with that because his North Node will also oppose Jupiter in Cap.

NN opposing Jupiter :You may not be taking advantage of fortunate opportunities if you insist on holding tightly to the foundation you believe to be secure. Trying to preserve the past will only keep you stuck and even the foundation you thought you could count on will likely crumble.

If you can try to remain open to new possibilities and allow authority figures to help guide you, you could be very successful but a new foundation is being established now. Be mindful not to limit your own opportunities by not believing in yourself.

He is also having Jupiter squaring his Sun: this transit can create some tests and challenges relating to growth and luck, but it might just give you the push you need to make some great progress in life. You will feel the urge to expand your horizons, try new things, bigger and better things, to have more fun and make more money.

Together with Uranus crossing his AC, this could be the time for him to come out of his shell, but I think you should encourage him to do so as well, since it may still not be easy.

posted December 04, 2019 08:40 AM            

He seems like he is significantly older than myself, and sad to say, if he hasn't started to change this pattern by now and being such a Fixed attuned person, chances are, even with the Uranus transit, it won't necessarily change. This doesn't mean he can't care for a person, but there will always be some fear, insecurity, and caution there with others, which can cause problems in relationships (one of the number 1 causes of intense jealousy and possessiveness in relationships).

posted December 04, 2019 03:37 PM            

And I can only say ditto on the other Moon-Saturn people with having to close off my vulnerability. I definitely am empathetic and sensitive and like others, some key people gave me hell for it and some of those almost bullied it out of me. At 30, I'm still trying to recover and find a more normal balance between expressing my sensitive nature without overhwelming others or myself.

With Neptune also on my Moon and IC, I absorbed that anger towards my sensitivity and took it as my own, and even felt bad for *them* for "making things so difficult for them".

Any of that rings any bells too?

posted December 04, 2019 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Thank you for such an in-depth reply meissieri. You are right about him being super sensitive! he says he hates this part of himself and wish he wasn't that way, not sure if that was the Moon in 1H or Pisces Sun.

He actually stayed in a 10 years relationship he wanted out of but didn't leave for a long time. She even said she would kill herself if he left, so he stayed as he didn't want that on his shoulders.

He said he lacks confidence because his father beat him as a child. He didn't have a solitarity upbringing, but a lack of love from his parents who are regretting it and busy making up for it now. He is so super duper strict on himself with diet and excerise, Moon-Saturn again?

He works all day from 6 am to 3 pm in a manual trade then goes to the gym for 2 hours a day after work. Then when I ask him what he had for lunch, he says a can of tuna!!! Talk about being strict and disciplined.

Not sure about the passionate side of him, you say Mars in Scorpio, but his Mars is in Taurus?

Would their be anything that would ever make him come out of his shell? I keep hoping that Uranus transit will shake him up and make him act differently as least while it goes over his ASC..

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Wow thanks for the extra info, as horrible as it is that this to read about. Yes, definitely Moon-Saturn conjunction also putting a lock on those emotions from the past, even if he may appreciate his parents trying to make up for it.

Definitely also trying to limit/control his eating and fitness habits.

I'm not that great at transits, so I can't say for sure if Uranus would help. I think, if he stars feeling some sort of push to change certain things about himself or his habits, it may be that Uranus stir happening. Like a revelation. I'd say wait and see if he mentions any of that. As he has so much Taurus energy, said change will actually not come from out of nowhere, but something he's been sitting on for a while and maybe thinks now could be the time to do something about it - feeling comfortable enough to leave his comfort zone. Since it looks like a problem he's had for a long time, I'd say it would definitely be on his own accord! (which is a good thing I'd say! )

Again, I can't say for sure if it will or will not stir anything up, but if it does, it's probably because of the above!

Hope that helps you with your worries a bit.

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posted December 05, 2019 02:50 AM            

He was unhappy with his sex life and still stayed with her!

That would be a deal breaker for me, lol.

He committed to her for so long when he wanted out half way through the relationship! He packed his stuff and moved out of her house while she was at work one day.

posted December 05, 2019 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ruler of the 3rd conj Saturn ---exact. Less so, the opposition with Neptune but it is still a big factor

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