posted November 13, 2019 04:05 AM            

His argument was that I'm always initiating banter &/or arguments.Even though I insist that I like "peace & quiet".

I DO like discussions with a live in mate-perhaps even passionate ones.But that doesn't mean I don't want peace & quiet.I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

But in the same breath, I can get easily irritable with the SAME living mate.Arguments can break out & this irritability is also caused by my moody/sensitive nature that I have to consciously work at releasing through exercise.

Initially I saw my Moon/Mars aspect as a "disability". Something I have to "consciously" work at "improving". But it's been years now.It's nature does NOT "go away". Its a part of who I am; a "nuisance" or not.

Its like I need to love myself with it.And the person who chooses me can't ask me to "change" it either.It's a part of me that can be modified by me through awareness. But never can be "CHANGED"or cut off.

In my chart,the Moon/Mars symbolism aspect is repeated.

Ic square Mars
Asc in Aries square Moon in Cancer
Juno in Aries(Juno is also said to be the goddess of home and hearth)

posted November 13, 2019 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I have the conjunction, so I experience it a little differently. I swing predictably back and forth between silence and doing my own thing and being a pestering pain in the you know what. I like to gently nag people, and poke fun at them. But I also pick at myself. Constant antagonizing self-talk. Or complete silence. You never can tell with the Gemini twins ruling both my Moon & Mars in a moody 4th house.

But Moon-Mars people are never boring. So there's that.

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I thought the Mars-Moon in Mercury ruled Gemini would make one a non-stop debater and 11th hour side switcher?

I associated the swing back/forth with the opposition as well as the opposite sign rulership of the signs i.e I have the opposition between Mercury in Cap & Moon in Cancer.

So I tend to swing between heady emotional reactions (Cancer) and practical logic(Cap). Perhaps through being emotional one minute and all defensive.Then logical, "self contained" and systematic the next.

posted November 13, 2019 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I had a conversation with a close friend. And once again the whole "you are spicy and like to argue" accusation came up again.Which I (ironically) vehemently disputed

His argument was that I'm always initiating banter &/or arguments.Even though I insist that I like "peace & quiet".

I DO like discussions with a live in mate-perhaps even passionate ones.But that doesn't mean I don't want peace & quiet.I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

But in the same breath, I can get easily irritable with the SAME living mate.Arguments can break out & this irritability is also caused by my moody/sensitive nature that I have to consciously work at releasing through exercise.

Initially I saw my Moon/Mars aspect as a "disability". Something I have to "consciously" work at "improving". But it's been years now.It's nature does NOT "go away". Its a part of who I am; a "nuisance" or not.

Its like I need to love myself with it.And the person who chooses me can't ask me to "change" it either.It's a part of me that can be modified by me through awareness. But never can be "CHANGED"or cut off.

In my chart,the Moon/Mars symbolism aspect is repeated.

Ic square Mars
Asc in Aries square Moon in Cancer
Juno in Aries(Juno is also said to be the goddess of home and hearth)

So look at your squares & embrace the paradox &/ discomfort.They are who you are: warts & all.

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I can totally understand you, same here with Moon opposite Mars.

posted November 13, 2019 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I love this post! I struggle with my own moon square mars aspect which is the tightest aspect in my chart. At times I do wonder who is going to accept my irritability and moodiness, but you are right it is going no where! So I need to learn to love that part of myself.

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If you don't.None will. Others treat you how you treat you.

My friend asked me something profound the other day. He asked me whether I think love is about concealing those parts one thinks "faulty" from the partner for as long as one can?

Or is love about being open,honest and unabashedly revealing ALL of oneself in order for the partner to love one holistically?

The latter is harder to do-which is why couples break up & claim their partner has "changed" etc. Because we as people(desperate for love & acceptance )tend to conceal our less "attractive" traits for as long as possible

But both Moon and Mars are planetary energies that insist on putting it all "out there"(like it or not).This especially when in tight aspect to each other by square /conj and even opp.

When on the Asc/Dsc axis, we "wear" these energies for all to see.And when on the Ic/Mc, they meet up with it very quickly in cohabitation or sustained living conditions.

Moon/Mars literally means making your home(Moon) within the turmoil(Mars). Or living(Moon) side by side to an inferno(Mars). It may be unconventional.But it is YOU. You are irritable,touchy and moody. Live with it

I certainly am annoyed with Aries Moon. They seem so rowdy.So now I wonder if my dislike of them is projection? I see in them what I struggle to reconcile within myself?

Don't waste time "remodeling" yourself for another.Do the best you can and then let self-love(God) do the rest.Ever heard people say that?

posted November 13, 2019 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I had a conversation with a close friend. And once again the whole "you are spicy and like to argue" accusation came up again.Which I (ironically) vehemently disputed

His argument was that I'm always initiating banter &/or arguments.Even though I insist that I like "peace & quiet".

I DO like discussions with a live in mate-perhaps even passionate ones.But that doesn't mean I don't want peace & quiet.I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

But in the same breath, I can get easily irritable with the SAME living mate.Arguments can break out & this irritability is also caused by my moody/sensitive nature that I have to consciously work at releasing through exercise.

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posted November 13, 2019 10:12 AM            

>>> His argument was that I'm always initiating banter &/or arguments.Even though I insist that I like "peace & quiet".

I'm driven nuts just reading this lol If you say you love peace and quiet then that's all that matters, you know you. I hate it when people decide that their reading of others is the truth. It's their truth, naught more. It's also so flawed to think that one person creates an argument or uncomfortable situation. Had this right the other day, felt like blaming someone for tricking me into a conversation I didn't want and swallowed it back up because, even if yes I never wanted it, I also accepted the territory that brought it and put myself in a position that allowed for the conversation to even be. Nobody's fault but as soon as I realised I took leave, and now if they had insisted it's on them, but until that point, it was 'us'. Conversations, pleasant or not, usually are team work. Has it ever occurred to your friend that you may be mild and he may be the kind of person who thinks paprika is hot? lol

>>> I DO like discussions with a live in mate-perhaps even passionate ones. But that doesn't mean I don't want peace & quiet. I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

Amen.

>>> But in the same breath, I can get easily irritable with the SAME living mate. Arguments can break out & this irritability is also caused by my moody/sensitive nature that I have to consciously work at releasing through exercise.

Ok, but it's also ok to surround yourself with people who understand this and don't treat every single one of your reactions as a fully formed opinion. Not saying you should lash out at everyone and they should take it lying down, but when you know someone is moody and can get emotionally annoyed, you learn to spot it and know how to take a retreat or even signal it to them before the conversation becomes an argument. Do I have unrealistic expectations regarding human communication? Yes, absolutely, and?

>>> Initially I saw my Moon/Mars aspect as a "disability". Something I have to "consciously" work at "improving".

How sad! Nothing you are needs fixing, you may tune it, like a bloody good instrument, but no astrological aspect should ever be treated as a disability. (says the moon square Pluto AND Saturn girl, with Chiron conjunct her MC). I can't imagine what you've put yourself through thinking that way.

>>> But it's been years now.It's nature does NOT "go away". Its a part of who I am; a "nuisance" or not.
Its like I need to love myself with it.And the person who chooses me can't ask me to "change" it either.It's a part of me that can be modified by me through awareness. But never can be "CHANGED"or cut off.

Yes, yes, yes, all of that, of course, absobloodylutely.

>>> So look at your squares & embrace the paradox &/ discomfort.They are who you are: warts & all.

I'm not going to talk about my moon/mars now because it's a sextile and I'd sound like I'm showing off with my easy aspect lol but, I have mars square venus and I NEVER considered that a problem. I fully embrace that shite! lol The way I see it, the aspect makes you love it. When you have a square, to me, it creates a need for extra awareness, not much more. It just means that instead of effortlessly harmonising 2 sides of yourself you find yourself questioning the why they'd come together, how and when... it has nothing to do with changing anything, it's just about looking at it differently from within yourself. But the very fact you feel that way, makes you want to feel that way. Vulgar example: you're a Leo Venus and love everything that shines but you want to appear modest for your work. It's got nothing to do with stopping loving things that shine, that Leo Venus makes you love them, hating the aspect would be tantamount to self loathing. Integration won't be switching to dull clothing, but finding shimmering fabric that's classy enough for your stupidly posh workplace while suiting your taste (and ain't luxurious clothing a Leo trademark?). Moon square mars doesn't have to mean you like arguing, just that your emotions and acts are linked and that the link may not be obvious. Just because it confuses people doesn't mean it's messy in the first place )
I'm **** at explaining, so it'd really help if you just saw what I mean by "having the aspect makes you love it"

posted November 13, 2019 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Are you sure this isn't your Mars in the 7th also at work? Because this guy I know has Mars in the 7th (also Moon inconjunct Mars almost exact) and he is EXACTLY like this. He admits if he doesn't burn off those antsy feelings with exercise it starts to take over him. He's very self-aware that way, so at least he is honest about it. He will also say things about wanting peace and quiet but then secretly you can tell he LOVES arguing, or should I say..."passionate debates." Especially with a partner. Much to the confusion of the partner that they want peace and quiet yet they provoke an argument so easily, of course. Maybe that's the 7th house (Libra) influence over the fiery Mars? The polarity of Aries/Libra exemplified I think.

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Absolutely correct My Mars in Lib conj Dsc. But Mars also squares the Moon in Cancer conj Ic.

The Moon indicates what feels comfortable.The square is the discmfort from argumentative Mars conj Dsc. The paradox exists as a point of reference because I seek out those spaces (Moon) where I can interact in that way.

If they don't exist, I don't feel at home or comfortable (Moon) and then find myself actively creating such an atmosphere to exist.

posted November 13, 2019 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Of course you did! haha! "you are spicy and like to argue" is like "calm down", what a better invitation to fly off the handle?

>>> His argument was that I'm always initiating banter &/or arguments.Even though I insist that I like "peace & quiet".

I'm driven nuts just reading this lol If you say you love peace and quiet then that's all that matters, you know you. I hate it when people decide that their reading of others is the truth. It's their truth, naught more. It's also so flawed to think that one person creates an argument or uncomfortable situation. Had this right the other day, felt like blaming someone for tricking me into a conversation I didn't want and swallowed it back up because, even if yes I never wanted it, I also accepted the territory that brought it and put myself in a position that allowed for the conversation to even be. Nobody's fault but as soon as I realised I took leave, and now if they had insisted it's on them, but until that point, it was 'us'. Conversations, pleasant or not, usually are team work. Has it ever occurred to your friend that you may be mild and he may be the kind of person who thinks paprika is hot? lol

>>> I DO like discussions with a live in mate-perhaps even passionate ones. But that doesn't mean I don't want peace & quiet. I don't see the two as mutually exclusive.

Amen.

>>> But in the same breath, I can get easily irritable with the SAME living mate. Arguments can break out & this irritability is also caused by my moody/sensitive nature that I have to consciously work at releasing through exercise.

Ok, but it's also ok to surround yourself with people who understand this and don't treat every single one of your reactions as a fully formed opinion. Not saying you should lash out at everyone and they should take it lying down, but when you know someone is moody and can get emotionally annoyed, you learn to spot it and know how to take a retreat or even signal it to them before the conversation becomes an argument. Do I have unrealistic expectations regarding human communication? Yes, absolutely, and?

>>> Initially I saw my Moon/Mars aspect as a "disability". Something I have to "consciously" work at "improving".

How sad! Nothing you are needs fixing, you may tune it, like a bloody good instrument, but no astrological aspect should ever be treated as a disability. (says the moon square Pluto AND Saturn girl, with Chiron conjunct her MC). I can't imagine what you've put yourself through thinking that way.

>>> But it's been years now.It's nature does NOT "go away". Its a part of who I am; a "nuisance" or not.
Its like I need to love myself with it.And the person who chooses me can't ask me to "change" it either.It's a part of me that can be modified by me through awareness. But never can be "CHANGED"or cut off.

Yes, yes, yes, all of that, of course, absobloodylutely.

>>> So look at your squares & embrace the paradox &/ discomfort.They are who you are: warts & all.

I'm not going to talk about my moon/mars now because it's a sextile and I'd sound like I'm showing off with my easy aspect lol but, I have mars square venus and I NEVER considered that a problem. I fully embrace that shite! lol The way I see it, the aspect makes you love it. When you have a square, to me, it creates a need for extra awareness, not much more. It just means that instead of effortlessly harmonising 2 sides of yourself you find yourself questioning the why they'd come together, how and when... it has nothing to do with changing anything, it's just about looking at it differently from within yourself. But the very fact you feel that way, makes you want to feel that way. Vulgar example: you're a Leo Venus and love everything that shines but you want to appear modest for your work. It's got nothing to do with stopping loving things that shine, that Leo Venus makes you love them, hating the aspect would be tantamount to self loathing. Integration won't be switching to dull clothing, but finding shimmering fabric that's classy enough for your stupidly posh workplace while suiting your taste (and ain't luxurious clothing a Leo trademark?). Moon square mars doesn't have to mean you like arguing, just that your emotions and acts are linked and that the link may not be obvious. Just because it confuses people doesn't mean it's messy in the first place )
I'm **** at explaining, so it'd really help if you just saw what I mean by "having the aspect makes you love it"

Anyway: Yay to you, Yay to squares

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posted November 13, 2019 01:49 PM            

last night, though, I yelled at a collection agency on their voicemail, after finding out that I still owe almost $1400 for a hospital bill that I thought was mostly paid off. My dad had apparently tried to send them a small amount every month, but they sent his cheque back, rather than accept what we could afford to pay. I was harassed by creditors early last year, and then they stopped, so I thought it was taken care of. My dad tried to hide the letter from me last night, but the bill is in my name, so I need to know. I yelled into voicemail, and told them I wouldn't be speaking to them directly right now, because I would be too emotional, so they would get their money in the amount we can afford, or nothing at all. My dad will send them a letter, later on.

I also need to see a dentist, and can't afford that. No dental insurance. There are a couple of problem areas, but the problem tooth right now, doesn't hurt all the time, thank goodness. It is missing enamel, though. Yay. A week ago, I voted, and then swished with peroxide and water, then took tylenol PM for the pain, and to help me sleep - I was in total agony, and really worried, so I'm at least thankful that that isn't happening every day (right now). This country's health care system is ****** . I had been feeling really calm on a lovely, cozy, snowy full moon day and evening.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

posted November 13, 2019 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I have Moon square Mars, (Venus squares it, too), and I don't see it as a problem. If I were fighting all the time, that would be one thing, but I'm not. I used to be the person that deescalated situations, or did my best to be calm, even when someone was really trying to **** me off. I once got ****** , because someone wanted me to be, and they backed off once I finally raised my voice a bit. They later apologized.

last night, though, I yelled at a collection agency on their voicemail, after finding out that I still owe almost $1400 for a hospital bill that I thought was mostly paid off. My dad had apparently tried to send them a small amount every month, but they sent his cheque back, rather than accept what we could afford to pay. I was harassed by creditors early last year, and then they stopped, so I thought it was taken care of. My dad tried to hide the letter from me last night, but the bill is in my name, so I need to know. I yelled into voicemail, and told them I wouldn't be speaking to them directly right now, because I would be too emotional, so they would get their money in the amount we can afford, or nothing at all. My dad will send them a letter, later on.

I also need to see a dentist, and can't afford that. No dental insurance. There are a couple of problem areas, but the problem tooth right now, doesn't hurt all the time, thank goodness. It is missing enamel, though. Yay. A week ago, I voted, and then swished with peroxide and water, then took tylenol PM for the pain, and to help me sleep - I was in total agony, and really worried, so I'm at least thankful that that isn't happening every day (right now). This country's health care system is ****** . I had been feeling really calm on a lovely, cozy, snowy full moon day and evening.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

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Sometimes it does not come out as full blown anger but irritability. You may not be aware of your energy all the time but the people around you will sense it.And they will walk on egg shells to try and prevent an explosion.

Irritability/tension to me is worse than outright anger. Because you never know when the individual will reach their final straw!

With Venus square, I can see how you try to prevent a situation from escalating.But even with the presence of Venus, the Mars energy is still there.

The people around you can usually sense that you are NOT as easy-going as might seem.There is more to the surface. So you may politely imply this before letting out the beast.

I have Venus ruling Mars, in semi-sextile aspect with Mars and trine Venus. The "gentle" approach has an expiration minute. But with other Venus people, I notice that they don't have that.

Like I have a Moon in Lib/Venus in Lib conj friend with Saturn also in sextile aspect.He can spend the whole week with people coming in and out of his house to visit. He is never irritated by that.

I wouldn't cope with all that. I need alone time. Though I have Venus/Moon trine, I do prefer more alone time.People around me all the time bug me. I am friendly but I want my space.

posted November 13, 2019 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I thought the Mars-Moon in Mercury ruled Gemini would make one a none stop debater and 11th hour side switcher?

I associated the swing back/forth with the opposition as well as the opposite sign rulership of the signs i.e I have the opposition between Mercury in Cap & Moon in Cancer.

So I tend to swing between heady emotional reactions (Cancer) and practical logic(Cap). Perhaps through being emotional one minute and all defensive.Then logical, "self contained" and systematic the next.

The same is true of the Venus in Scorpio/Mars in Libra semi-sextile aspect. Venus rules Mars and Mars rules Venus. So I bring the naughty to the nice

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On here, I debate pretty regularly. IRL, however, it's quite different. I also have a lot of Virgo, Cap, Scorpio/Pluto in my chart, so I think that tends to lead me towards a moody silence often.

posted November 13, 2019 07:41 PM            

i had an ex yell at me for being too calm, and my ex fiancee would alternate between saying **** along those lines and telling me i fought constantly "with everyone" (and her and i did argue a lot, generally because i don't respond well to being yelled at when i say something like "i dont know where you put it" when asked where something of hers when i never touched it and so on because i dont just sit there and take it without good reason if someone starts in with me) in spite of her having been the only person i fought with frequently for years (she regularly had fights and dramatic blowouts with friends and coworkers and had actual "enemies" etc)

when i asked her who i fought with all the time she brought up someone i hadnt spoken to in years because i didnt care for fighting so much

so generally speaking i don't really fight with most people and even close friends i've had issues with it doesnt typically turn into arguments, definitely not at work either

i can think of one time i had an issue at work and it was a guy who regularly threw tantrums yelling at me and me just telling him (not yelling) "thats cool i dont give a **** " and leaving it at that

so there have been people in my life who i do argue with frequently

that being said if i'm really bored i'll look for arguments to have (generally by shitposting on anonymous messageboards usually politics related) but it's really only been a handful when i think about it

they're usually people who a lot of other people frequently find problematic though, and in close relationships with women i tend to find that issue come up if they like me (and only after they tell me they have feelings)

but it's usually them being rather volatile in temperment (i have moon opposite venus and mars square venus too) and me reacting, and im not blameshifting because they've confessed to purposely doing it

ive literally been told "you seemed too content and i was angry and bored so i started a fight" on multiple occasions by more than one woman

i can think of only one person i argue with frequently at this point in my life and it's just banter for the most part and about frivolous **** without real animosity because i cant be provoked in a truly emotional manner unless someone is close to me

i can have a really bad temper though, i wont lie about that, if someone pushes me enough and doesnt stop or starts to make me feel suffocated and doesnt listen when i ask them to chill then they'll see that side of me

it's hard to come back from afterwards though because im very good at knowing exactly what to say to really rip someone apart, which isnt something im particularly proud of but that's there

posted November 13, 2019 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Truth. There are positives in every so-called challenging or negative aspect. Pretty much all Moon-Mars aspects bring passion, resilience, initiative.

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posted November 14, 2019 05:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:

 Has it ever occurred to your friend that you may be mild and he may be the kind of person who thinks paprika is hot? lol  

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I find that I just really need to discuss things, at times. Maybe it's because my Moon/Venus is in Gemini. When I was having trouble talking to S, when he started to come at me with bible stuff, I wanted to find a place to talk about that kind of thing - debate it - but not in a nasty way. I wanted someone to bounce my thoughts off of, someone who would accept my own thoughts and feelings, even as they held their own opposing views. I didn't want to do that with S, because he would see it as dismissing his views, which I didn't want to do. Still, we had Mercury conjunct Mercury, and he's someone that I had the urge to talk to, in the past, even if we did argue.

Other times, I can be really quiet. I used to spend hours drawing, and painting, or reading. Lost in my own little world, surrounded by the people that I loved - sometimes talking as I sketched, if it was just practice. We used to sit around the dining room table, in these comfortable swivel chairs that my aunt reupholstered for us, and I loved that - I miss it. That was before computers, when we would also watch funny shows together. My dad said earlier, "I miss watching the English shows with you, your mom, and your sister." We used to laugh so much.

And, yeah: I was one of the family peacemakers, most of the time. That's why a friend of mine said that she told her friends not to argue with me on facebook, if I comment on something, disagreeing (they're mostly conservatives, I think - including her husband). She said, "If Angela is speaking up about something, then it's important". I told her it's fine, they can argue with me, I can handle it, but we're protective of each other. My Aquarian friend of a very long time.

I think exercise used to help me, too. I haven't been able to exercise since I got this stomach problem, in 2010. I stopped, because I couldn't keep water down all the time, and was worried about getting dehydrated. Then I was also very depressed, but I still walked a lot on the treadmill, or through the woods, and then through the neighbourhood, in the middle of the night (when it was too stressful to be at home). I spent most of one Summer, walking through the local streets at night, I miss that. I would come home when I couldn't walk anymore, or if I heard my dogs going nuts because I was gone. Then I'd shower, make some tea, put on my wireless headphones, and watch TV or a movie, falling asleep on the couch. 

Thinking again about the way I used to lose myself in creative things: I would work my way through sad things with it, but I never lived up to the "tortured artist" thing, and never wanted to (I thought it was ridiculous - the stereotype). When I was really depressed, I stopped working on it. I didn't draw for months when we moved to Ohio, then I finally picked it up again when we'd settled in a bit, and I spent Summer nights (middle of the night), working by lamplight in the tiny kitchen, next to the open window, with a fan running. Same thing happened when we moved again, but when we moved to this place, I just stopped. I got involved in other things, like photography, and never got back to the other things that I loved. Mars is in Pisces, in my 4th house, and I needed peace and stability, which was lost over the last decade, but something else is missing. 

Oh my god, I'm rambling. I really need to sleep. Despite various things worrying (and occasionally terrifying) me, earlier on I was singing loudly and badly, and dancing around my house. Just having fun. This was what got the singing started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo and this was what started me off dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2BNpK01eww 

posted November 14, 2019 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
On here, I debate pretty regularly. IRL, however, it's quite different. I also have a lot of Virgo, Cap, Scorpio/Pluto in my chart, so I think that tends to lead me towards a moody silence often.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." Kind of philosophy. Although it drives my dates insane.

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posted November 14, 2019 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have it (aries moon cap mars, my moon is opposite my ascendant and my mars is square it and loosely conjunct my ic, moon square ic too) but generally speaking people tell me that i'm extremely laid back and **** like that (i've had a lot of people tell me im the most laid back person they've ever met)

i had an ex yell at me for being too calm, and my ex fiancee would alternate between saying **** along those lines and telling me i fought constantly "with everyone" (and her and i did argue a lot, generally because i don't respond well to being yelled at when i say something like "i dont know where you put it" when asked where something of hers when i never touched it and so on because i dont just sit there and take it without good reason if someone starts in with me) in spite of her having been the only person i fought with frequently for years (she regularly had fights and dramatic blowouts with friends and coworkers and had actual "enemies" etc)

when i asked her who i fought with all the time she brought up someone i hadnt spoken to in years because i didnt care for fighting so much

so generally speaking i don't really fight with most people and even close friends i've had issues with it doesnt typically turn into arguments, definitely not at work either

i can think of one time i had an issue at work and it was a guy who regularly threw tantrums yelling at me and me just telling him (not yelling) "thats cool i dont give a **** " and leaving it at that

so there have been people in my life who i do argue with frequently

that being said if i'm really bored i'll look for arguments to have (generally by shitposting on anonymous messageboards usually politics related) but it's really only been a handful when i think about it

they're usually people who a lot of other people frequently find problematic though, and in close relationships with women i tend to find that issue come up if they like me (and only after they tell me they have feelings)

but it's usually them being rather volatile in temperment (i have moon opposite venus and mars square venus too) and me reacting, and im not blameshifting because they've confessed to purposely doing it

ive literally been told "you seemed too content and i was angry and bored so i started a fight" on multiple occasions by more than one woman

i can think of only one person i argue with frequently at this point in my life and it's just banter for the most part and about frivolous **** without real animosity because i cant be provoked in a truly emotional manner unless someone is close to me

i can have a really bad temper though, i wont lie about that, if someone pushes me enough and doesnt stop or starts to make me feel suffocated and doesnt listen when i ask them to chill then they'll see that side of me

it's hard to come back from afterwards though because im very good at knowing exactly what to say to really rip someone apart, which isnt something im particularly proud of but that's there

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My thinking is that there is probably that Moon in Ariez passion that others(7th) coax out of you.

Its not unusual for Aries Dsc to attract hostility in others because of an either "underwhelming" or overwhelming display of feelings.

I wonder if Neptune/Saturn aspects Mars?(I don't recall your chart well). If that is the case, it may indeed take much much longer for the top to blow.

I know that Saturn on the Ic or Cap there can echoe a Moon in Cap response to emotional flux i.e impassivity. As with Lib Asc, one can often seem so non-reactive or not very "deep" emotionally (Britney Spears has Ic in Cap) that its interpreted as "I don't care".

posted November 14, 2019 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The Moon may "wear it's heart [read actually 'gut'] on it's sleeve" to some extent, but there is a lot that is hidden and/or unconscious about it.

Interestingly, in Tarot, the Moon card often represents things that are hidden, uncertain, and/or deceptive.

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An instinctive reaction to feelings.Even when those feelings are nonsense i.e non-sensical. So there is really no time(Mars) to explore them in depth(like say a Pluto 4th or Pluto-Moon would).

posted November 14, 2019 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
An instinctive reaction to feelings.Even when those feelings are nonsense i.e non-sensical. So there is really no time(Mars) to explore them in depth(like say a Pluto 4th or Pluto-Moon would).

The impulse is just to act(Mars)as soon as they come up. Much like Moon in 1st house would.

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posted November 14, 2019 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
ares23,
here in the boards you actually seems to act the opposite of it as you usually come in to resolve a conflict or an ongoing argument between members in a calm and logical manner.

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I am very restrained on here lol. I try to avoid drama or be all up in my feelings .lol.

To be fair though, I also have Saturn in 7th conjunct Venus. So other people (7th) bring out my inner parent or mature side(Sat)

posted November 14, 2019 03:57 PM            

I have Moon opposite Mars and Moon square Ascendant. On top of being an Aries. So I can relate to ya.

I sincerely hate drama. I hate arguments. I do enjoy stimulating discussions though and I am not afraid to maturely debate something I'm passionate about. There is a difference! Some people can misunderstand.