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Librapurr
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posted January 02, 2020 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My progressed chart doesn’t change much. (mostly stuck in Scorpio) In February, moon moving in Aquarius. It was in Capricorn about 2 year ( from beginning 2018). Venus and Sun stay in Scorpio for a decade. Mars doesn’t move too. I’m not good with progression, but they aren’t supposed to change more often? Isn’t it weird?

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posted January 02, 2020 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you are right I think. They are slow. Moon a bit faster. Especially if planets are in early degrees of a sign. They'll stay there for a loong time. Venus and Sun in Scorpio but which house? My progressed Moon wasn't in Scorpio, it was in Taurus but just progressed into Gemini and next month in 9th house I feel it already! 8th house progression is just horrible.

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posted January 02, 2020 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun - 1st house, Venus in 12 house ( progressed 12 house is so tiny, the smallest one). Mars is 11th house all my life.

CapriciousCapricorn, how long did it take your moon to go through 8th house or switch the sign? My Chiron left 8th house, I’m not sure how it effected me 🤔

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posted January 02, 2020 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The sun progresses at the rate of around one degree per annum ... And the moon does so at a rate of around one degree per month.

Thus, my natal sun at 27Scorpio41 progressed into Sagittarius around age 2 ... And did not progress into Capricorn until some 30 years later.

However, progressed moon is currently on its third 30 year long cycle around my natal chart.

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posted January 02, 2020 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My progressed Moon is at 9 Pisces trine my natal Pluto at 9 Scorpio. Progressed Moon in Aquarius was very rough for me people tried to end my life. They still are but its not as bad. Hopefully when my Moon progresses into Aries this will all be over since Aries is the first sign. Although I'm a bit worried because my Progressed Sun in Leo is about to square my natal Pluto which I know can represent death. Hopefully not.

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posted January 02, 2020 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Progressions indicate a change of focus. For example, I was an active participant in contact sports during the 30 years that my progressed sun was in Sagittarius. Then, with progressed sun in Capricorn, my focus became the active pursuit of career success ... And, when it progressed to Aquarius, I had retired from my career and was actively involved in the full-time study of astrology.

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posted January 03, 2020 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
My progressed Moon is at 9 Pisces trine my natal Pluto at 9 Scorpio. Progressed Moon in Aquarius was very rough for me people tried to end my life. They still are but its not as bad. Hopefully when my Moon progresses into Aries this will all be over since Aries is the first sign. Although I'm a bit worried because my Progressed Sun in Leo is about to square my natal Pluto which I know can represent death. Hopefully not.

That’s why I try not to look and understand much prediction astrology. There’re a lot of horror stories about Pluto transits, but how I read, not everybody’s experience was that bad. Even with Pluto square Sun.

I was unhappy about my current progression. And I didn’t even know that several years ago I had Pluto conj Sun, and Asc, and Venus and square Moon and oppos. NN. I don’t remember what exactly happened.
However, if I saw my chart was that bad, I could get really upset and make everything much worse. And thanks, I didn’t know about it. (Or I could get bunch of calming supplements and herbs, and see if I can bit Pluto with I don’t care attitude😊 )

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posted January 03, 2020 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everybody for sharing. I guess I’m stuck with Scorpio chart for a long time. I hope my natal chart still have power to compete with it.

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posted January 04, 2020 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:

CapriciousCapricorn, how long did it take your moon to go through 8th house or switch the sign?

2 years 7 months

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posted January 04, 2020 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The progression of the Moon takes about 2.5 years through each sign. The prMoon will trigger events. Other things to look out for is the change of signs of a planet, change of sign of house cusps and progressed planets aligning with the natal angles or progressed angles aligning with the natal planets.

Progressed to natal planets are also important. Progressed Venus to natal Sun and vice versa often indicate meeting one's spouse, for example.

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posted January 04, 2020 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Librapurr, progressions are basically the transits beginning with your birth.
The first 30 days of your life are the first 30 years in the progressions,for example.

Let's say you were born on 1990/01/01.
Your progressed chart when you're 20 years old will look like the transits of 1990/01/20.

One year of your life is represented by one calendar day in the progressions.
Let's say you were born at 9 am on 1990/01/01. Your first year of life would be represented by the first 24 hours of your birthday. The Sun moves roughly one degree each day, the Moon around 13 degrees. That's why there's not that much motion seen in the progressions.
If you take into account any retrograde phases, then the planets will take even longer to move forward.

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posted January 05, 2020 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HelixID, thanks for detailed explanation.

Is progression on your actual birthday really more important than progression on your 20th birthday?
If somebody’s natal Sun and Asc, for example, in Virgo change after several years of life, and majority of his life he has Libra Sun sign and/or Asc. Wouldn’t be he more associated with Libra Sun/Asc interpretations than Virgo?

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posted January 06, 2020 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Librapurr
The natal chart is the life's starting point, the imprinting of physical and psychological traits onto a person. The subsequent progressions through that life are explanations to how that life will unfold.
That's how I see it.

A Virgo Sun will not suddenly become a Libra Sun when progressed Sun enters Libra. The Virgo person will always have the characteristics of that sign. What might happen is that the person will be more interested in things that are more Libra in nature. The person might develop an interest in art, for example, but still analyze it through the Virgo lens.
The person might also notice that people coming into their life at that point have heavy Libra energy.
But the Virgo core will never change.

Life circumstances change and these would be reflected in the progressions. The natal chart shows how the person meets the world and handles these circumstances.

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posted January 06, 2020 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
... If somebody’s natal Sun and Asc, for example, in Virgo change after several years of life, and majority of his life he has Libra Sun sign and/or Asc. Wouldn’t be he more associated with Libra Sun/Asc interpretations than Virgo?

No.

1. The prog Sun (as well as Mercury and Venus approxminately) only stays in any sign for 30 years.

2. The Asc does not progress slowly. The common method of progressing it and the cusps in secondary progressions is actually a superimposed rate not found in nature in the original transits. The Asc and cusps progress quickly, just as the Earth turned rather quickly all the way through the zodiac (361°) in every 24-hour period. Therefore the common method of secondary progression of them is false. Instead, choose true progressions or what are called the quotidian progressions, which are available on astro.com's Extended Chart Selection page, left side:

3. And most importantly, the metaphysical imprint of your astrology happens at birth as that is the moment you as a soul cross dimensions into this realm. So that imprint always outweighs any other movements of the luminaries or planets for the rest of this lifetime.

I think you're better off first learning transits. Progressions are transits projected onto later life in day-for-a-year fashion. Understanding transits provides a foundation for better understanding progressions.

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posted January 06, 2020 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
+1 to Kannon's excellent post above.

One minor, but important point. There is no "imprint". There are no "energies" imparted, no invisible rays or what not from the different signs, planets, etc.

It's just a consciousness map and symbolic language reflecting what is already there as probable potential. It's a Jungian "synchronicity" manifestation based on the total Oneness/interconnection of the Whole.

There are indeed some measurable, direct affects from electro-magnetic forces of the Sun and Lunar gravity on life here, but that is not the kind of astrology we are talking about here most of the time. And it's pretty much limited to the Sun, Moon, and Galactic Core as to direct affects.

Much planning typically goes on behind the scenes when one is still focused in the nonphysical and getting ready for a new in physical/3rd dimension dive/phasing. The super computer of the "higher" realms/level of collective consciousness factors in every plan, contract, goal, etc of the Soul and pairs that combo with a few or so body choices that would best approximate that Life plan, and how the cosmic clock of astrology aligns/correlates with all that in a symbolic, reflective sense.


...Y'all gonna make me lose my mind, up in here, up in here with all this talk of causing, imprinting, my astrology made me this way, etc, etc.

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posted January 07, 2020 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, I’m happy to know the birth natal chart holds more power, and I still can own some of my good natal aspects!

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posted January 07, 2020 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No.

1. The prog Sun (as well as Mercury and Venus approxminately) only stays in any sign for 30 years.

2. The Asc does not progress slowly. The common method of progressing it and the cusps in secondary progressions is actually a superimposed rate not found in nature in the original transits. The Asc and cusps progress quickly, just as the Earth turned rather quickly all the way through the zodiac (361°) in every 24-hour period. Therefore the common method of secondary progression of them is false. Instead, choose true progressions or what are called the quotidian progressions, which are available on astro.com's Extended Chart Selection page, left side:

3. And most importantly, the metaphysical imprint of your astrology happens at birth as that is the moment you as a soul cross dimensions into this realm. So that imprint always outweighs any other movements of the luminaries or planets for the rest of this lifetime.

I think you're better off first learning transits. Progressions are transits projected onto later life in day-for-a-year fashion. Understanding transits provides a foundation for better understanding progressions.




It changes everything! Now it’s moving too fast. Does it even make sense to look at progressed houses and Asc if they change about every 2 months..
However, this way my Sun is leaving Scorpio sooner.
Isn’t progressed Sun in Sagittarius a much easier placement than Scorpio?
Would you say transits have more influence than progression?


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posted January 08, 2020 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting question to ask is: since the true progressed ASC does move fairly quickly (at least in relation to other progressed symbols), then does that mean we can expand the orb range to more than 1 degree?

After all, the reason why we use 1 degree orbs for the rest of the progressed points is because of how slow that most of them DO move, and that if we used larger orbs, such cycles and periods would last ridiculously long times.

In the Natal chart, the ASC point is such a sensitive and amplifying area in relation to the Planets, that I think that, with the speed of movement of the progressed ASC, it does argue for a rational expansion of the orb allowance for aspects to the natal.

I have also wondered about progressed Moon as well, and whether or not 1 degree orb is a good fit for it. I could easily see a 2 degree orb since it is relatively fast moving (for a progressed symbol).

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posted January 08, 2020 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Librapurr,

True (quotidian) progression moves at the rate the Earth turned and the planets moved. The only difference now is the speed at which the cusps move. Nothing else.

The cusps only change by +/-1° per day, which is one sign average per month, but in irregular motion.

The houses that matter are the ones in your birth chart. Look at the progressions against the backdrop of the natal. Make sure the natal is as precisely accurate as can be to start with.

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posted January 08, 2020 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About orbs ....

Functioning orbs for transits and progressions are definitely different. Transits are real here-and-now planetary movements and get orbs closer to what we use with natal aspects. Progressions are the phantoms of past transits and the orbs must be shrunken considerably. One degree is convenient, but arbitrary.

Robert Hand states in his classic work Planets in Transit in Rule 2 in the chapter Transit Timing (p. 24) that there is no such thing as an "orb" of influence concerning a transit because this normally is meant as the arc space or time frame in which events are triggered by a specific transit. (There are orbs of influence, of course, but should only be defined as no more than what they are for gauging aspects in the natal chart, but certainly less than that.) He makes the point in the text under the Rule 2 heading that transits are an aggregate influence:

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"The problem is that one cannot speak of the length of time that a single transit will be in effect without referring to the transits, both of inner and outer planets, that are occurring around it or without referring to the nature of the events and processes symbolized by the transit."

This underlying principle actually supports the use of orbs, however. For how else do we determine what other planetary transits to include in the aggregate picture, but by some general basis of orbs?

So the principles of aggregate influence helping determine fuctioning orbs extends to progressions, but not in an obvious way. In progressions, the aspects closest to culmination have the strongest influence on any given day and most specifically define the window of opportunity for externalizing their energies as life events.

So progressed Sun or Moon could be within 1° or even 0°30' of exact aspect to a natal point and not be the primary influence. If prog Mercury were exactly parallel a natal point (orb=0°00') then it could be the primary influence. Of course, prog Mercury's aspect would be a part of whatever other aspects are close enough to be part of this, which is to say typically within the 05' culmination zone.

Another principle since progressions are phantoms of past transits, is that the apparent disc (width) of the planet or luminary must be considered. Moon and Sun are both discs of about half a degree apparent width. So naturally their functional orbs can be considered to be more than planets, which have no more than one minute arc (less actually) of apparent width.

Since aspects are geometry we must pay attention to the points forming the aspects and how precisely they are marked (center of their bodies). So luminaries get 15' or so on either side of the 05' culmination zone verifiiable for progressed aspects made by planets. So I prefer a maximum orb of 20' for the Sun. However, I have noticed the Moon, perhaps because it is so much closer to Earth, has in progression a functioning orb closer to 1° -- with at least one qualifier: the topocentric positions must be used to counteract parallax effect, mostly with the Moon. Moving to the topocentric Moon position will often tighten up aspects to less than 1° from exact -- if it is actually involved in the window of opportunity for some timed event.

Because Moon's path varies well off the ecliptic, there may be a parallel or contra-parallel aspect far tighter in declination that is the active aspect. So this can account for why longitude aspects by prog Moon seem to be operating at a degree or much wider. It is too easy to stretch the orbs out in longitude rather than checking its declination for tighter aspects (parallels, contra-parallels) -- again, always using the topocentric position to get rid of parallax effect.

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posted January 08, 2020 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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posted January 09, 2020 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon McAfee, thank you for clarification.

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