posted January 12, 2020 10:29 AM            

Pan's Labyrinth is really Saturnine and Plutonic, but I wonder if you guys have any more suggestions for a fitting movie?

posted January 12, 2020 01:51 PM            

I have recently watched:

Jewell Richards
Dark Waters
Just Mercy
Ford versus Ferrari

The first three involve lawyers and have a justice theme. My pluto falls in libra and Saturn in Scorpio. In fact with all three Justice was delayed for a long time for the native.

The last one has a plutonic theme bc it is about building a car that can sustain the most challenging car race on earth which lasts over 24hours so you have to build a car that is fast and durable, that wont break down under extreme pressure. It also has the theme of death and risk taking.

All 4 are based on real life stories. Pluto conjunct Saturn wants the truth and movies about resilience and rising from the ashes after a lot of struggle ect..

posted January 12, 2020 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
What’s about TV show? Prison Break s1. Theme of what boundaries should and shouldn’t be broken and how far you can go, losing and finding hope. Very Pluto-Saturn. Fast-pace doesn’t let sink into darkness too much, 1 season- binge watch worthy. And the picture is much prettier than a lot of prison theme movies.

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OMG that is one of my favorite all time shows LOL I binge watched the F out of it, I got totally addicted to that show. I have Pluto conjunct Saturn natally. Good one, you get it.

posted January 12, 2020 06:48 PM            

Pleasantville is one of my favourites, but it isn't that dark. It's about breaking out of life ruts, though. I love the black and white picture bursting into colour, whenever someone really feels an emotion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMEKiIb86I

http://collider.com/pleasantville-movie-explained/

posted January 12, 2020 09:48 PM            

Internal transformation that happens over time but that sticks and leads to real lasting change and slow but steady wins the race are the themes that pop in my mind with this powerful aspect of saturn conjunct pluto.

Saturn conjunct Pluto is a force to be reckon with and to me is about working hard, persistence, transformation, overcoming all types of challenges and coming out of it stronger and wiser.

Reducing saturn conjunct pluto to enjoying horror movies or associating it to thrillers is missing the boat IMO. Pluto goes deep, horror films and thrillers are about chasing an emotion, not about character development and transformation which is what saturn conjunct pluto is really about.

posted January 12, 2020 10:11 PM            

Dead Like Me, shows a girl becoming a "reaper" and appreciating her family a lot more than she did when she was alive, as she works and grows in her new role. That is probably one of my top five shows. It isn't about horror, or thrillers - it's about facing what you don't want to do, and being there for the people you love. She develops a relationship with her little sister, that she never had when she was alive. Same with her mother. It's one of those shows that can be really funny, and really touching, as you watch people do their best to get over one of the worst things that can happen to a person, or a family. This scene is a spoiler from the second season, but it always gets me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNEB31BE84

I watched that show when my mum went into the hospital (started it again), then stopped, and went back to it, two weeks after she died. That's what I needed.

posted January 12, 2020 11:05 PM            

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In death, George is tasked with a new job of being the Grim Reaper in which she works alongside other reapers (such as a brash cop, a whimsical actress, and a mischievous Brit) to collect people’s souls in the brief moments before they kick the bucket. She also still has to hold down a temp job because even the afterlife is full of ******** bureaucracy, apparently.

We follow George’s post-life life alongside that of her grieving, dysfunctional family as they struggle to make sense of their new normal. The show subsequently dances between scenes of pitch black comedy, poignant explorations of life and mortality, and quirky supernatural drama with perfect and often breezy finesse.

There’s a whole lot to love about George as a character. For one thing, she’s crafted with great complexity and depth – but for another, her life is oddly relatable for a dead girl with a weird-ass career path. In the afterlife, she’s paired up with a fella called Rube (played by the always endearing Mandy Patinkin) who serves as her mentor and father figure and who assigns her all of her reaping duties. And it’s in her daily interactions with Rube that we witness her frustrations and existential plight.

Despite centering on the story of a dead girl, the show does a phenomenal job at highlighting the pains of growing up and the confusion of life. Turns out that even in the afterlife you still deal with the same crushing over-analysis of missteps that you take as a living and breathing teenage girl.

As Margaret Lyons perfectly put it for Vulture, the show provides a painful retrospective of adolescent behaviours. “Why was I so mean my parents? . . . Why did I say no to so many things it would have been easy to say yes to? You don’t have to be dead to wonder those things as you age out of adolescence.”

Ultimately, Lyons suggested, the show is one of those rarities that doesn’t solely revolve around a young woman realizing her romantic potential. “Dead Like Me isn’t about George finding herself through the gentleness and thrill of romance – it’s about her finding herself through the cruelty and randomness of grief.”

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What Dead Like Me always proposed is that sometimes **** just happens – including deadly toilet seats failing from the sky. But we all just have to figure out our own ways to shrug our shoulders, move on with our lives, and do the best that we can while we’re still living.

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posted January 12, 2020 11:20 PM            

The square between saturn and pluto means you are meant to learn to be resilient and master this I am thinking, since the square is about figuring out how to get two energies that don't want to get along learn to work together I feel, squares are very challenging but with the conjunction the two energies merge so they are a team to the point that they don't even realize it, inseparable, which can lead to blindspots perhaps until you figure out the blindspots as you get older. I say blindspots bc the other planet molds the identity of the other so each planet does not stand on its own, its influenced by other since they conjunct and are fused together becoming in a way its own separate thing.

posted January 12, 2020 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

Dead Like Me, shows a girl becoming a "reaper" and appreciating her family a lot more than she did when she was alive, as she works and grows in her new role. That is probably one of my top five shows. It isn't about horror, or thrillers - it's about facing what you don't want to do, and being there for the people you love. She develops a relationship with her little sister, that she never had when she was alive. Same with her mother. It's one of those shows that can be really funny, and really touching, as you watch people do their best to get over one of the worst things that can happen to a person, or a family. This scene is a spoiler from the second season, but it always gets me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNEB31BE84

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posted January 12, 2020 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Sounds interesting! I feel is a Pluto meets Neptune type of show .

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posted January 13, 2020 07:09 AM            

There Will Be Blood and Black Swan sound like my cup of tea. I will be checking them out!

posted January 13, 2020 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by 29TAU:
I'd like something that has Pluto soul redemption theme. Not just something psychologically disturbing, but also expansive. Going beyond Saturnine boundaries.

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Neither Saturn nor Pluto are "expansive". Expansive is Sun, Jupiter, and Neptune.

On an internal level, both Saturn and Pluto are very tied into ego/fear/separative/selfish type energies. Pluto needs to be connected to fast vibratory and expansive symbols (such as the above 3) to really naturally be expressed in a more redemptive and transformative sense. Saturn is anything but.

Externally, they connected to power and control structures. They also connect to the dark underbelly, shadow parts of humanity. Things like the mafia, human trafficking, slavery, corrupt government, corrupt financial systems that take advantage of virtually everyone and everything else. The darkest of the dark within humanity. The side of humanity that I refuse to be naive or blind to anymore, having been there before.

When they are correlated with events, especially personally, they represent one's Expanded self putting one through testing, challenge, painful change, etc, for growth. That's their universally positive and necessary, though rarely welcomed level/side.

It depends on what level of the symbols you are looking at.

But to understand the energies as is, in a personification sense, imagine a person (or people) with a close Saturn Pluto conjunction closely conjunct their ASC.

Chances are, guestimatting that about 5 to 6 out of 10 people (on average) with this are going to express some rather slow vibratory traits and tendencies such as power lust, extreme ego, highly manipulative, highly materialistic, highly selfish, and low on empathy and conscience. Saturn and Pluto (and to a lesser extent Mars) are the most ASPD related symbols.

The rest who don't, either have such strong counter balancing patterns in their chart to offset this, or they have exercised their spiritual will muscles to rise above such slow vibratory inclinations and tendencies.

I sometimes talk about that group of individuals whom I refer to as the "psychopathic plutocrats". These are the kinds of patterns one would expect to find in such charts irrespective of spiritual will. But of course there are many different ways to mix and match a combo of very strong Saturn and Pluto (and/or Mars and/or Mercury, the 4 Planets that Edgar Cayce's guidance most linked to over self centerdness, etc in the personification sense).

I should emphasize that when I'm talking about Saturn and Pluto in the above, especially in the personification sense, I am ONLY talking about in the planetary sense, and not talking about the Signs of Scorpio and Capricorn, or to people that have combos of these. I have known a fair number of people with strong combo's of these two signs that are fine and spiritually attuned people.

posted January 13, 2020 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Neither Saturn nor Pluto are "expansive". Expansive is Sun, Jupiter, and Neptune.

On an internal level, both Saturn and Pluto are very tied into ego/fear/separative/selfish type energies. Pluto needs to be connected to fast vibratory and expansive symbols (such as the above 3) to really naturally be expressed in a more redemptive and transformative sense. Saturn is anything but.

Externally, they connected to power and control structures. They also connect to the dark underbelly, shadow parts of humanity. Things like the mafia, human trafficking, slavery, corrupt government, corrupt financial systems that take advantage of virtually everyone and everything else. The darkest of the dark within humanity. The side of humanity that I refuse to be naive or blind to anymore, having been there before.

When they are correlated with events, especially personally, they represent one's Expanded self putting one through testing, challenge, painful change, etc, for growth. That's their universally positive and necessary, though rarely welcomed level/side.

It depends on what level of the symbols you are looking at.

But to understand the energies as is, [b]in a personification sense, imagine a person (or people) with a close Saturn Pluto conjunction closely conjunct their ASC.

Chances are, guestimatting that about 5 to 6 out of 10 people (on average) with this are going to express some rather slow vibratory traits and tendencies such as power lust, extreme ego, highly manipulative, highly materialistic, highly selfish, and low on empathy and conscience. Saturn and Pluto (and to a lesser extent Mars) are the most ASPD related symbols.

The rest who don't, either have such strong counter balancing patterns in their chart to offset this, or they have exercised their spiritual will muscles to rise above such slow vibratory inclinations and tendencies.

I sometimes talk about that group of individuals whom I refer to as the "psychopathic plutocrats". These are the kinds of patterns one would expect to find in such charts irrespective of spiritual will. But of course there are many different ways to mix and match a combo of very strong Saturn and Pluto (and/or Mars and/or Mercury, the 4 Planets that Edgar Cayce's guidance most linked to over self centerdness, etc in the personification sense).

I should emphasize that when I'm talking about Saturn and Pluto in the above, especially in the personification sense, I am ONLY talking about in the planetary sense, and not talking about the Signs of Scorpio and Capricorn, or to people that have combos of these. I have known a fair number of people with strong combo's of these two signs that are fine and spiritually attuned people.

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For whatever reason you connect more with the shadow side of saturn and pluto it sounds like which I feel is mirroring something about yourself you don't want to own and instead project unto others and the world. I connect more with the resilience of these two planets which is something this world is lacking with suicide rates going up, we could use more resilience, more of a warrior spirit and more determination in this world.

posted January 13, 2020 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
This world is made by power-hungry freaks, deal with it!!!

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Indeed and that's why it's such a mess. It's also why it will be broken asunder and those types won't be allowed to incarnate here anymore once they leave the body (and many of these will leave the body when these times culminate).

posted January 13, 2020 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
For whatever reason you connect more with the shadow side of saturn and pluto it sounds like which I feel is mirroring something about yourself you don't want to own and instead project unto others and the world. I connect more with the resilience of these two planets which is something this world is lacking with suicide rates going up, we could use more resilience, more of a warrior spirit and more determination in this world.

Also a big reason why I went into the field of psychology is bc I have saturn conjunct pluto which is a wonderful way of manifesting this energy with Saturn in the 10H and pluto in the 11H.

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Nah, self knows self pretty well, including the shadow which isn't so shadowy anymore since there is conscious awareness.

My problem is that in the further past, I have been too naive, trusting, and unaware of the dark side of others/humanity, and got majorly burned because of that.

This is part of the reason why in this life, I chose to incarnate into a situation where I would be living, for a number of years, with a true blue psychopath. Nothing helps opens up one eyes like repeat, long time, direct, personal experience with observing such lack of Light and intense selfishness.

During my last dive in the Earth, I was very open hearted, trusting, and naive, and ended up getting majorly manipulated by some very Machiavellian, corrupt, and self serving types. Types for example that liked things like slavery, and didn't like that I was part of stopping that in that life.

NEVER AGAIN. I now take Yeshua's advice deeply to heart. "Go and be cunning/streetwise as vipers/serpents but as harmless as doves". That is my motto for this life. Hence why I plumb the shadow in self, others, life, etc.

Just because you have a Saturn Pluto conjunction, doesn't mean what I was outlining is applicable to you. Saturn Pluto conjunctions are a fairly long lasting, almost generational aspect that MANY people have.

It takes getting very highlighted, such as being in the 1st and/or conjunct the ASC, to really bring out the probable dark side of that combo. You're a Neptunian first and foremost, which is a pretty fast vibratory level consciousness wise. While you, as all of us, have things to work on and improve spiritually, these very selfish and controlling dynamics aren't part of it. Astrology is nothing if not a art of relativity.

I addressed multiple levels and manifestations of Saturn-Pluto. Certainly it can be used in a positive way as well. I particularly think that Saturn Pluto in relation to transits is a very necessary and positive thing in a more universal sense. It's related to a cycle of clearing the waste out, so that Soul and/or Spirit can come through more clearly and in a stronger manner. This whether for the individual or for the collective.

I don't look at anything in terms of black and white or narrow, one dimensional sense. It's actually hard for someone with Mercury so closely trine 1st House Jupiter to do such. The intellect is innately very expanded and holistic in nature, but since Capricorn and Virgo are involved as Signs, also grounded, factual, and detail oriented at the same time.