posted January 14, 2020 10:45 PM            

In my Saturn Return Chart my Sun is tighly conjunct Saturn! Am i lost? I ask this because my Saturn Return resulted in a motorcycle accident that left me for 4 months without walking (after a surgery and many bones broken).

The Sat. Return Chart MC is conjuct my natal Moon, and ASC conjunct my natal MC as well. Moon conjunct my natal North Node.

SAt Chart link: http://ibb.co/JRbB1vH

posted January 15, 2020 07:47 AM            

it was in 2016, i'm fully recovered now, only with some scars and titanium bolts inside me hehe. Actually, by Saturn exact conjuction i was walking again.

posted January 15, 2020 05:55 PM            

yes my natal Saturn is retrograde. Why did you ask?

SAT Return Chart (outer Chart) + Natal Chart (Inner chart) synastry http://ibb.co/Kz7Lvfw

posted January 16, 2020 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
mirage29,

sorry, if anyone can move this topic to the right forum would be great.

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posted January 16, 2020 07:50 AM            

yes i will do that, thanks.

posted January 16, 2020 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
Graham,

yes i will do that, thanks.

Do you have experience with Saturn Return Charts? Are they really useful?

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Think of yourself as living to the age of 84 ... thus experiencing 83 Solar Returns, 2 Saturn returns and 1 Uranus Return - all of which are mapping/"timing" the (ideal) unfolding of the potential in the Natal Chart. ... None of us will achieve that ideal - but the charts provide us with a pattern which reveals "where we are coming from" (Natal Chart) and "where we are aiming/intending to go to" (Uranus Return) in our current lifetime.

posted January 16, 2020 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
SO, i've read that Saturn Return Chart (usually the latest Saturn passage on itself) could point to your new "me" principles after our beloved Chronos visit.

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How so? Care to link us to what you've read or to give us the title of the text?

In my Saturn Return Chart my Sun is tighly conjunct Saturn! Am i lost? I ask this because my Saturn Return resulted in a motorcycle accident that left me for 4 months without walking (after a surgery and many bones broken).
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I think you're getting tangled up in your own syntax by saying your Saturn return resulted in a motorcycle accident. This presumptuously frames a causal relationship between a single astrological factor (transit of Saturn exactly conjunct natal Saturn) and the accident. This gets further reinforced by not showing a transits chart for the time/date of the accident.

I can tell you that with your natal Sun's declination at 21N29, both Saturn [21S39] & Pluto [21S24] were closely contra-parallel it on the date of your exact Saturn return. But it is more important where they were on the date of the accident. Perhaps just as important during that period was Saturn's return to its natal place opposite your natal Moon. So with stressful transits by Saturn to the natal luminaries and by Pluto to natal Sun there is the potential for an experience of a kind of physical/emotional reset due to energies reaching a climax that informs you of your limits. Saturn oppositions, especially to luminaries, deal in reasonable limits to balanced expressions of our identities, especially in the outer world and as mediated by others (opposition is relational dynamic).

Even more so given Uranus was conjunct natal Jupiter, indicating a liberating of adventurous expansive energies (with natal Jupiter in Aries can be quite a lot), and Jupiter transited opposite them/natal Jupiter, which indicates expansive energies at zenith. These Saturn and Jupiter related transits set up the distinct possibility of such an accident around this time even if there had been no Saturn return.

I'm emphasizing that a qualitative understanding of even major key transits -- especially when declinations are included -- is better than further-reaching theoretical suppositions that could too easily be taken as a reductionist replacement for careful examination of key transiting factors to the natal.

posted January 17, 2020 08:05 AM            

really interesting post, i agree with you. I claimed it due to Saturn Return because it was the most striking event of Saturn Return year for me.

But yes, there were other several activations in my natal chart, the most "in the face" in my view was the Progressed SUN applying conjuction to Natal MARS - the exact conjunction occurred 3 months after the accident (the orb was less than 20').