posted December 31, 2019 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
generally speaking regardless of chart men only like looking at high maintanence women, no one wants to deal with that **** in a serious relationship over the longterm

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This is true from what i have observed too.Men often date these women short-term but marry others who are less about that long-term.

In the same breath however,there are guys who do like girls who are very much "high maintenance" or all "glammed up".Although I am not sure if Ven in 2nd is the reason.

Taurus,Leo Venus placements seem to be into that whole glammed up look.But then again there are other Taurus Venus folks
who like to "keep it simple" & are attracted to the same.

Maybe even Libra Venus has this too? But i did read that Tau Dsc is all about the "ka ching" in marriage? That the spouse
likes having the mate spoil them in the materialistic sense of the word-above all.

And when the ruler of the 2nd house is in the 7th,one spends money on the partner? Or one thinks of the partner as 'valuable' enough to do that to.

So perhaps Ven in 2nd does contribute come to think of it.Since Ven is in its natural house placement in the 2nd.

posted December 31, 2019 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
generally speaking regardless of chart men only like looking at high maintanence women, no one wants to deal with that **** in a serious relationship over the longterm

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Generally speaking, it's actually quite the opposite.

Real men secretly fancy a high-maintenance woman. It is a boost to their masculinity for provide for her. And yes, I believe that the base of all relationships are the primal roles of male-female. If not, you're not lovers, you're just very good friends.

posted December 31, 2019 08:46 AM            

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posted December 31, 2019 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
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For me too it has worked short-term, long-term I was once asked by a chick to "address" her house as "bungalow", everytime "house" escaped my mouth I quickly got corrected...lets say the shjt didn't last long...

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Haha Oh, I would have had fun with the above. I would have addressed it as anything but a bungalow. Her "villa", her "mini mansion or mini castle", or literally just address the address, "yeah, 1234 Sesame ST"..

(Probably not in actuality, I'm too considerate and conscientious to do that in person).

posted December 31, 2019 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Generally speaking, it's actually quite the opposite.

Real men secretly fancy a high-maintenance woman. It is a boost to their masculinity for provide for her. And yes, I believe that the base of all relationships are the primal roles of male-female. If not, you're not lovers, you're just very good friends.

Despite this, it has to be a balanced attitude of high-maintenance that the woman presents. A woman can be high-maintenance in essence (and he knows it), yet she may very well adjust her lifestyle to her man's financial ability (this also he knows, and is what attracts him to her even more).

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posted December 31, 2019 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This is true from what i have observed too.Men often date these women short-term but marry others who are less about that long-term.

In the same breath however,there are guys who do like girls who are very much "high maintenance" or all "glammed up".Although I am not sure if Ven in 2nd is the reason.

Taurus,Leo Venus placements seem to be into that whole glammed up look.But then again there are other Taurus Venus folks
who like to "keep it simple" & are attracted to the same.

Maybe even Libra Venus has this too? But i did read that Tau Dsc is all about the "ka ching" in marriage? That the spouse
likes having the mate spoil them in the materialistic sense of the word-above all.

And when the ruler of the 2nd house is in the 7th,one spends money on the partner? Or one thinks of the partner as 'valuable' enough to do that to.

So perhaps Ven in 2nd does contribute come to think of it.Since Ven is in its natural house placement in the 2nd.

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well i have libra venus, like i said looking and short term stuff that kind of thing is nice but it becomes draining over the longterm

my ex was high maintanence and while i loved a lot of things about her i did find that draining, beautiful sure, but women like that are very self obsessed and it's not something that really has a lot of draw over the longterm

when you're constantly late because she had to spend an hour changing her clothes or some other dumb **** it gets old

her and i were friends and there was a lot of obligation etc so i stayed and she had other qualities but holy **** it was like torture to deal with

i'm fine with buying **** and giving gifts etc and so on, i did frequently most of her jewelry and whatnot came from me so that's not it

it's more just women like that generally are very into themselves and sometimes to a point where there isnt much room for anyone else, and that becomes unattractive

so does having to deal with dumb **** instead of just being able to have fun sometimes

@girlwiththerainysoul

first off that "real" anything stance is ******** , stupid, and bias towards your own opinions

no one is a more "real" anything for conforming with some arbitrary set of standards that are purely subjective

being in a relationship and having that give and take balance is important, but no your definition of a relationship doesnt solely define what's between any individuals

your opinions are fine to have, but they don't dictate reality, learn to step outside of yourself and have a broader perspective of the way the world works because narrow views don't have room for all the variety life holds

posted December 31, 2019 01:23 PM            

Only narcissistic people can enjoy other narcissistic people, and "enjoy" is a relative term, because typically while they may be strongly attracted to each other (if only superficially), there are often a lot of power struggles, mutual manipulation, and games played.

But birds of a feather certainly do tend to flock together, while at the same time, opposites in the Earth at least, sometimes also attract (those of lack of Light are attracted to those of Light and/or vice versa).

posted December 31, 2019 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yeah, my experience with and observation of those types of women indicates that often these are towards the narcissistic spectrum, if not fully within same.

Only narcissistic people can enjoy other narcissistic people, and "enjoy" is a relative term, because typically while they may be strongly attracted to each other (if only superficially), there are often a lot of power struggles, mutual manipulation, and games played.

But birds of a feather certainly do tend to flock together, while at the same time, opposites in the Earth at least, sometimes also attract (those of lack of Light are attracted to those of Light and/or vice versa).

It certainly would be convenient if only the former occurred, but then again, less collective Soul growth would occur if there wasn't any mixing/blending going on.

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yeah it's actually one of the signs a woman is a narcissist, them being like that i mean

i'd bet on my ex having a cluster b personality disorder tbh, and the games and ups and downs are really draining

you end up being like a caretaker for them in a lot of ways and it gets worse with age or any issues that come up

i actually still speak to her because i feel for her and she's really destroyed a lot and been through a lot since the break up, she's just been flailing and i know she doesnt have anyone

at the same time there's this mutual understanding between her and i that she's destructive to other people and herself to a huge degree and as a result we won't be getting back together but i'm willing to be friends because i know she has no one and i've known her for most of our lives

she told me she still loves me and doesn't think she could ever love anyone more and misses every day just yesterday, and told me she has this void in her that she doesn't think anything will ever fill and apologized for a lot which surprised me because normally literally everything was my fault

and it's sad because i can't tell if it's coming from a place of self awareness or manipulation to get me talking to her and open to her again

i try to balance distance with help because i worry about her hurting herself and so on but i can't actively be around that either because it's too much (so i basically try to engage her in ways where i encourage her to help herself or provide resources for her to seek help etc without actually putting myself in a position where there's too much contact)

but yeah being that way is a huge red flag and i've yet to meet a high maintenance woman who wasn't loaded in other red flags once you got to know them

posted December 31, 2019 02:06 PM            

And it could very well be manipulation.

I have a cousin like this. She was always rather self centered (very stereotypical Aries Sun pattern), but since she has become a raging alcoholic, she has gotten worse and worse and more and more towards the malignant narcissistic spectrum. Not all of it is her--she allows herself to be influenced by some very negative non human energies. Course she is unconscious of this, so maybe "allow" isn't fully the right term.

posted December 31, 2019 02:27 PM            

she's definitely flailing to rock bottom and i'm scared for her, but at the same time i hope she just gets to a place where she's forced to crawl out of it on her own and she has to want that

i've given her numbers, offered to help her get health insurance and her go through the process of getting her license etc but nothing where there isn't some level of detachment

i know the issues are real, but i also know that she's manipulative

she's a sag sun (conjunct saturn and uranus all opposite chiron) , aries moon (with a square to neptune), aquarius rising, merc and venus in scorpio (venus conjunct pluto and both square her ascendant) pisces mars (she has mars square saturn and sun and uranus)

she refused all my offers and i think it's really just about her having someone listen to her destroy herself on one level because she literally sounds determined to

it really goes against every part of me to let her drown herself but i've learned over the years that there's a point where that's all you can do

posted December 31, 2019 03:15 PM            

But this is what I've again wondered about the Taurus I was talking about this Summer. He contacted me a few weeks ago, was talking about the same doubts (religious doubts) that he had before we were talking again. Swing around to just after Christmas, and the same sort of crap is coming up as before - so did he just want some kind of contact for the holidays? Sometimes he sounds fine, other times I think this church or just life, has really messed with his head.

posted December 31, 2019 03:19 PM            

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I would be wary of getting close to her. It's kind of you to want to be there for her but sometimes people need to hit absolute rock bottom of no friends/support before a crack of light can occur.

And it could very well be manipulation.

I have a cousin like this. She was always rather self centered (very stereotypical Aries Sun pattern), but since she has become a raging alcoholic, she has gotten worse and worse and more and more towards the malignant narcissistic spectrum. Not all of it is her--she allows herself to be influenced by some very negative non human energies. Course she is unconscious of this, so maybe "allow" isn't fully the right term.

The weird thing is that my cousin, on a Soul level, I would probably classify as a middle aged Soul. She's been through a lot in this life, and most of her issues relates to difficult childhood stuff and a lack of true, full self love.

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You sound a bit like the guy I mentioned above. He said something about being under spiritual attack, and I think Neptune is messing with him, if it's astrological at all. Uranus is on his Sun/Moon, too.

He said something, again, about the possibility of Satan working through me, which annoyed me. He couched it in, "it can happen through good, unsuspecting people" but it still bugs. That still makes me sound tainted. I also personally don't believe in Satan.

posted December 31, 2019 04:28 PM            

I'm talking from a place of psychism, conscious communication with guidance, and repeat experience.

Two rather different spaces.

I've observed that alcoholics in particular have issues with being influenced by unfriendly nonphysical and/or ET energies.

Most people most of the time cannot be influenced too much or at all.

But alcohol opens a person up more to such influences. So doesn't extreme selfishness. Having them together is a particularly weakening combo for one's energy levels.

And this is often one of the reasons why alcoholics that are also narcissistic often have a pattern of spiraling to ever worse and darker dynamics and choices. Alcoholics that particularly experience blacking out--sure sign that influencing has been involved, for literally, their own consciousness and conscious awareness, gets shoved down into the unconscious while they are temporarily used by some other entity or entities.

As to Satan. I'm not sure if such a being exists or not. I practice open minded skepticism. I did ask guidance about it one time, and had an interesting dream message which spoke to it, which seemed to support the notion that there is some sort of head honcho, negative/psychopathic, original rebeller in Spirit individual. In the dream I was being chased by this being, but in the dream I symbolically kept my energy fast vibratory and so didn't have to worry about it (the being had no power or influence on me and couldn't catch me) because keeping my energy attuned to Love kept me strong, centered, balanced and outside of it's "grasp" or reach (also was shown symbolically).

But either way, I have no attachment to the concept or not, and again, I'm not certain one way or the other. One guidance message isn't usually enough for me to start to really believe something or not.

Certainty is often the enemy of truth and wisdom. It's hard to do, but practice of open minded skepticism is one of the few ways to actual truth or the closest approximation to same.

As far as influencing goes, in my experience of sensing this and tuning into guidance about it--in most cases it involves an individual or group of individuals who when they were in human form, weren't very nice people, and when their bodies die, they get stuck and they continue their shenanigans of causing problems for others, and often get worse.

Being predatory and very aware of what is going on in the earth, they basically look around for people that are weak or imbalanced enough for them to influence. These types of influencers (former nasty humans) are the easiest to deal with.

The ET group case less so, but they don't focus on the average person. They focus on world movers and shakers, as well as potential spiritual liberator types. And they are always collective in nature and trying to influence, which along with their greater awareness of how things work, having studied humans for a long time, and their greater psychic and mind abilities, makes it a lot harder for an individual to deal with them.

Takes calling on some very powerful and very Light attuned beings and levels to deal with them, should they be a variable. But such help is always there, and it's just a matter of asking and believing same.

My partner had a very intense retrieval dream where she was trying to retrieve this young girl who was stuck, but my partner didn't know at first that a dark Soul was involved with the situation. Though she soon became aware of that, she rushed in anyways with no fear of the being and with no building up protection around herself, nor asking for help.

Things got intense in the dream. The dark Soul treated her like she no more than a rag doll, and started to continually zap her with it's very negative energy. While writhing in a fetal position in agony, she remembered a conversation that we had had in physical, where I talked about the importance of asking for help from spiritual sources.

So she did that, and almost immediately, a bunch of Light beings showed up, contained the entity to allow her and the girl to get out of there. She woke up with the residual zapping still strong in her body. It was a very intense teaching experience and she realizes in hindsight, that she should have put a "REBAL" (Monroe Institute term for a protective energy shield) around herself before confronting this negative being.

Reality is a lot bigger than many give it credit for. Very few humans even have an inkling of what exists out there in the larger reality, both positively and negatively. But the point being, one doesn't ever need to be fearful even though there are negative beings and levels out there. We have so much help and protection, especially when we ask for it.

But to believe that there are no powerful negative beings and levels out there is the height of nativity, sticking one's head in the sand, and/or because there is actually fear of that unconsciously within a person.

posted December 31, 2019 06:10 PM            

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I think she's telling the truth, but I don't know her personally.

But this is what I've again wondered about the Taurus I was talking about this Summer. He contacted me a few weeks ago, was talking about the same doubts (religious doubts) that he had before we were talking again. Swing around to just after Christmas, and the same sort of crap is coming up as before - so did he just want some kind of contact for the holidays? Sometimes he sounds fine, other times I think this church or just life, has really messed with his head.

I've been through a lot, I was a real mess, and am kind of okay now. I appreciate the people who didn't ditch me, when my world was upside down. Although much of it was caused by other people/outside events. I was able to calm down, once I finally got a break.

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if she's telling the truth then i'm extremely worried about her in all honesty because she's really set on going back on hard drugs until they kill her or killing herself

we argued a bit about it yesterday while i tried to convince her to get help

he might have some issues that are causing him to swing back and forth, i've known a few people with diagnosed bpd and that's one thing off the top of my head that can cause those extreme swings

posted December 31, 2019 06:25 PM            

I mean, you believe that humans can become very negative correct?

Then why is it hard to believe that there are non human beings that are psychopathic and/or malignantly narcissistic in attunement?

Either way, don't believe or disbelieve me or anyone. Go deep within and ask your own internal guidance system about it with no preconceptions or belief.

This is what I have done, repeatedly, and have been given answers in various different ways and forms.

But what I say, would just be dogma or belief to another.

This is a very important topic and it would be very well if more humans were more informed about it, which is why I'm a little more fixed and challenging in nature when it comes to this subject.

posted December 31, 2019 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if she's telling the truth then i'm extremely worried about her in all honesty because she's really set on going back on hard drugs until they kill her or killing herself

we argued a bit about it yesterday while i tried to convince her to get help

he might have some issues that are causing him to swing back and forth, i've known a few people with diagnosed bpd and that's one thing off the top of my head that can cause those extreme swings

it's also linked to early childhood issues and abuse etc

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That's why I didn't tell him where to go. BPD is now seen as complex PTSD, and I think that's what I deal with. He had a really rough childhood, and I know that he doesn't trust easily. I didn't ask what happened with his ex, only that it was an intense relationship, and he wanted to marry her.

posted December 31, 2019 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
You specifically weren't being called anything, but the attitude and belief that there are no negative but powerful non human beings is a rather naive one.

I mean, you believe that humans can become very negative correct?

Then why is it hard to believe that there are non human beings that are psychopathic and/or malignantly narcissistic in attunement?

Either way, don't believe or disbelieve me or anyone. Go deep within and ask your own internal guidance system about it with [b]no preconceptions or belief.

This is what I have done, repeatedly, and have been given answers in various different ways and forms.

But what I say, would just be dogma or belief to another.

This is a very important topic and it would be very well if more humans were more informed about it, which is why I'm a little more fixed and challenging in nature when it comes to this subject.

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I've read about that kind of thing before, and eight years ago, someone that I had a reading with, who was associated with an Edgar Cayce group (they also work for a herbal company, and sell products to help) - she tried to tell me that a woman was attached to me, and causing me problems. We could only think of my grandmother, but I still wasn't sure about them.

When my mother decided to call them again, on my behalf, four years ago, I told her not to, that I didn't believe they knew what they were doing, and sure enough, this person came up with some rubbish about a woman abusing me when I was small (a stranger). I'm not saying anything against *your* work, but this particular person didn't help at all, and I was annoyed that my mother didn't just listen to me, regarding what was actually going on.

I've also read about bad spirits, in books about the afterlife. I just don't appreciate being told that I'm inadvertently working on behalf of the devil.

Okay, I'm getting ready to get something to eat, and go to the movies. I hope you both have a good night.

posted December 31, 2019 10:53 PM            

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That's why I didn't tell him where to go. BPD is now seen as complex PTSD, and I think that's what I deal with. He had a really rough childhood, and I know that he doesn't trust easily. I didn't ask what happened with his ex, only that it was an intense relationship, and he wanted to marry her.

I'm sorry to hear that, re: your ex.

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yeah, it's hard when someone is acting in a way where you kind of want to tell them to **** off but you know they've got **** so it isn't cool to do it

but really that's everyone though isn't it? just different when you know them well enough and the timing isn't right for it, but everyone's got their **** that they're acting out all the time for better or worse it's all coming from somewhere

i think as long as you're being civil and not using that to justify **** behavior and have boundaries it's not too bad

i was sorry to hear about her situation too

at first she didn't want to tell me, but she didn't know anyone else she could talk to and wanted to hear my voice and i didn't want to talk to her but i figured if a stranger needed it and had no one i'd listen to them so i can't treat someone i had all that history with worse than i would a stranger

but anyway she thought i'd take some kind of satisfaction in it because she feels like it's karma for how she acted towards me and whatnot, and i had to tell her that she was being ******* stupid because why would it make me happy that she's in a ****** place when i give a **** about her

i look at it like she's on her path though and she's gotta deal with what comes her way, and like everything else in life it's sink or swim

she could've listened to me in the first place and avoided all this **** , she couldve accepted the help i offered her multiple times after the break up, or listened to the advice or whatever but she's one of those people who needs to learn **** the hard way you know?

i don't feel obligated anymore on the level i used to, that karma feels done on that level

her and i will always have a connection, but there's no debt here you know? not on my part

posted December 31, 2019 10:56 PM            

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For me too it has worked short-term, long-term I was once asked by a chick to "address" her house as "bungalow", everytime "house" escaped my mouth I quickly got corrected...lets say the shjt didn't last long...

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