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ChildofVenus
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posted September 29, 2020 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone here have this?

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posted September 29, 2020 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrogirlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm, I think a placement like that would make an individual have a low self esteem if money is an issue... you'd probably be looking at someone very serious, dry with not too much emotion... they might have a path in life where they have to work a lot or EXTRA to fully get what they want. idk other aspects in their chart might change things a bit though

*capricorn rules saturn, 2nd house is ruled by taurus or libra..

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posted September 29, 2020 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have it in placidus, saturn squares my sun too

definite issues valuing myself or seeing my own needs as important, been an ongoing struggle for me actually and it's only been more recent that i've been able to see why that's really not ok and why i also matter

@Astrogirlie

i generally don't really care about material **** , money and material possessions don't give an individual worth they're just means to an end ultimately

what i have doesn't affect my view of myself at all

i'm not a particularly serious person, can be a bit dry i suppose but it really depends on who i'm around (that side of me is more of a discomfort thing, if i'm around someone i'm very uncomfortable with i'll come off as more reserved and dry, so chances are if i act that way there's a lot of really bad history there) i definitely have plenty of emotions though i don't always show them but it's more of a laid back vibe than a stoic one

i can definitely bury my feelings in jokes and stuff and have a bit of a neutral/apathetic default

this is my chart

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posted September 29, 2020 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrogirlie:
hmmm, I think a placement like that would make an individual have a low self esteem if money is an issue... you'd probably be looking at someone very serious, dry with not too much emotion... they might have a path in life where they have to work a lot or EXTRA to fully get what they want. idk other aspects in their chart might change things a bit though

*capricorn rules saturn, 2nd house is ruled by taurus or libra..


This is the chart of the person they also have Neptune, Uranus and North Node there.


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posted September 29, 2020 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AQUACap88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in my first house but really close to my 2nd house and in the sign of my 2nd house (aries) as you can see here

chart: http://imgur.com/a/5pADRJQ

I don't think I have low self esteem. My peers would describe me as "confident" maybe even borderline "arrogant" but my professors always tell me to be more confident and have more faith in my abilities.

I think at the end of the day, I can be confident but only when I have managed to ascertain the fact that I am absolutely right/no doubts/have counter argued my POV in my head so many times. (Even so I wouldn't be confident, I guess my "arrogance" only comes out after I have asked for the other person's POV, thinking it might be a brand new area I failed to consider only to find out that it is full of bias/false/irrational. And I support my POV with facts.)

Or else, I retain humility and even when I do know something, I might say I do not know much about it just so that I can learn more. Therefore when I say that I KNOW something, it means I really do KNOW it.
Sadly... the number of things I really KNOW about... I think can be counted with one hand so //low self esteem//

But Learning is my life! 😁 And I live by the ideology that hard work and effort is required to have an opinion!

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Btw (@ChildofVenus) the person you are asking for appears to have an afflicted Jupiter (IMO).
Could that be why? Is his life sad or luckless? lol I have never seen a Jupiter like that before. Would love to know more. Thank you!

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posted September 29, 2020 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do have Saturn in the 2nd, and spent most of childhood with pretty low self esteem, and some of my early adult years, but it gradually changed more and more since around age 22 or so. Came to love, accept, and appreciate self more and more over time.

Part of the earlier issue was that I was not treated very well by many from a young age--both peers and some adults. Didn't fit in, and was made to feel like I was less than.

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posted September 29, 2020 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AQUACap88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Do have Saturn in the 2nd, and spent most of childhood with pretty low self esteem, and some of my early adult years, but it gradually changed more and more since around age 22 or so. Came to love, accept, and appreciate self more and more over time.

Part of the earlier issue was that I was not treated very well by many from a young age--both peers and some adults. Didn't fit in, and was made to feel like I was less than.


I'm 23! Haha I feel like my self esteem gets lower as I age. Because the more aware I am of all the things I don't know, my own incompetencies and inadequacies I'm afraid of people finding out.

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posted September 30, 2020 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in 2H will make someone learn the value of money at a young age. This does not make them money-hungry but it makes them realise the importance of financial security and thus they work very hard to achieve it. You will find such people generally happier when they're self-sufficient, earning their own keep.

Me, my mom and bestie have the same placement. What I described above are common traits among us.

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posted September 30, 2020 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Saturn in 2H will make someone learn the value of money at a young age. This does not make them money-hungry but it makes them realise the importance of financial security and thus they work very hard to achieve it. You will find such people generally happier when they're self-sufficient, earning their own keep.

Me, my mom and bestie have the same placement. What I described above are common traits among us.



And this is the kind of man I want in my life.

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posted September 30, 2020 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AQUACap88:
I'm 23! Haha I feel like my self esteem gets lower as I age. Because the more aware I am of all the things I don't know, my own incompetencies and inadequacies I'm afraid of people finding out.

Nothing wrong with realizing how little one truly knows (it's part of the maturation process), but valuing oneself is a lot like loving oneself, it should go deeper than surface level stuff like that.

One of the things that changed my view of self was that I intuitively sensed there was a Creator or Source Consciousness and I sensed this Consciousness was pure positivity, pure Love.

I figured I wasn't made by accident or mistake, and I knew I was a part of, a piece of the above as we all are (Oneness/interconnection was something else I strongly sensed). I must have some worth in me, and I knew I was loved completely by that Consciousness.

Some folks need to have a NDE to realize some of these things, but I've always been unusually intuitive.

In any case, I also went from caring a lot about what others think (Libra Moon conjunct Virgo Saturn and South Node in 7th) in childhood, to caring less and less what others thought or didn't think (Virgo North Node closely cusping Leo in the 1st).

I have Jupiter straddling from the 1st to 2nd, and Jupiter is trine the ruler of it's Sign and the 2nd House ruler by about a half degree--so I have a very spiritualized and intuitive set of values, besides just Saturn being there. And Mars rules my 9th, and is in the 2nd conjunct Jupiter.

Anyways, in your case, I'm sure it will reverse at some point.

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posted September 30, 2020 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And this is the kind of man I want in my life.

You and 80 something percent of women i.e most women.. The female body is wired to desire material security from a partner, and most people are quite influenced by their bodies and body urges much of the time.

Only the more unusually mature (in a consciousness/spiritual sense) break out of that control.

Earth has a sort of saying attached to it in other parts of the Universe among other intelligent beings, "world where the beings are slaves to their bio body suits".

(That, and, "it's a ******* cluster BEEP down there. Enter at own risk").

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posted September 30, 2020 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You and 80 something percent of women i.e most women.. The female body is wired to desire material security from a partner, and most people are quite influenced by their bodies and body urges much of the time.

Only the more unusually mature (in a consciousness/spiritual sense) break out of that control.

Earth has a sort of saying attached to it in other parts of the Universe among other intelligent beings, "world where the beings are slaves to their bio body suits".

(That, and, "it's a ******* cluster BEEP down there. Enter at own risk").



I enjoy spirituality and I know that money doesn't equal happiness. But I've always been well taken care of and that's something that I'm used to. It depends on the woman's upbringing as well. I am a giving person though so it wouldn't be one-sided.

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posted September 30, 2020 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't trying to pick on you or single you out, which is why I said most women are like that.

Nor was I saying it was a bad or wrong thing. It is what it is. It's a bit limiting in the grand scheme of things, and in the future it won't be such a factor, but it's not wrong or bad in any deeper or important sense.

And we all get influenced by our bodies to some extent. Even the most consciousness mature of us.

I'm really looking forward to getting an upgraded version of a body though. My partner has had a number of dreams about me dying young, in my mid 40's after the collapse and after we had a child or two together (mid 40's is not far off for me timewise, depending on how you judge it, it ranges from about 3 to 6 years or so from now).

After like the 3rd or 4th dream about it, I took out her Tarot cards and made an intention, "I deeply desire and ask to connect to only positive, helpful Guidance. I'm going to pick one card to answer the following question, is it part of my probable future that my body will die sometime in my mid 40's?"

Guess what card I picked? We both burst out laughing when I pulled out the Death card.

Anyways, I finally had my own dream about it all a little while back, and in the dream, it was post collapse. What was left of the psychopathic, control hungry types were waging war on those of us of love/higher consciousness and who wanted to see the world move in a better, more positive direction. Basically, we were forced to fight for our very survival/existence.

Saw self in a particular battle during this, and saw the body cut down, practically in half.

Stepped outside of the body, looked around a bit, then shot up into a really intensely bright White Light place/state. From there, was still observing the physical/material scenes, and I had the thought, "you know what, I'm going to go back to the physical and fix that body up". Did that, was physically alive again, and knew I was different in some fundamental way after.

Dunno, but I'm looking forward to that upgraded, "in the world, but no longer OF it" body. No more ego, no more fear, no more limitations and hang ups, no more limited conscious awareness, just a pure downloading/transference of consciousness to physical.

Teslsa "Body" 7.0--model 10...

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posted October 01, 2020 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
You and 80 something percent of women i.e most women.. The female body is wired to desire material security from a partner, and most people are quite influenced by their bodies and body urges much of the time.

Only the more unusually mature (in a consciousness/spiritual sense) break out of that control.

Earth has a sort of saying attached to it in other parts of the Universe among other intelligent beings, "world where the beings are slaves to their bio body suits".

(That, and, "it's a ******* cluster BEEP down there. Enter at own risk").


Women are generally wired to seek security in their men which includes material security, but not exclusive to it. We want a man who is able to protect, to give and to provide (but this does not mean we need him to provide). I know some women who are entirely reliant on their men but many of us are not. I think the modern women have changed a great deal. Not sure in your culture, but mine has.

When you said "influenced by their bodies and body urges", you mean sex? This kinda attraction doesn't last though but it can attach people for a long time...too long, in fact.

Not sure if you know about the murder of Shannan Watts and her children? I believe she and her husband shared a strong sexual attachment, long after the sparks were already gone - https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/a30655961/chris-watts-murders-wife-daughters/

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posted October 02, 2020 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"When you said "influenced by their bodies and body urges", you mean sex? This kinda attraction doesn't last though but it can attach people for a long time...too long, in fact."

Hi Hikaru29,

Not solely no, but more general. Fear, ego, the whole 9 yards. All the stuff that does not come from our Souls nor our Expanded self level.

It would be very interesting (and enlightening) for people to go deep within and ask to be shown the origins of this level that we call the physical. It might be surprising for a good percentage of people to know that this level was not directly created by the Source, nor the Co-Creator of the original patterns of this Universe/larger reality.

No organized belief system I've come across has it fully and completely correct. The Gnostic probably comes closest, though there are definite distortions there.

But once you fully understand/perceive how this level came to be, then you can better understand the wisest spiritual Teachers of the world and their words about the nature of the body and of this level.

Such as Confucius's teaching, "It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get."

WHY though, why is it so hard to keep a stronger and more pure attunement to pure, Source like Love here? Why is flesh and Spirit like oil and water? Why is the lower nature so strong here?

When you understand that this level is a collective bad dream of a group of Souls who got stuck in their lower, fear based energies, then you begin to understand why the above. Because this level was manifested in and from separative selfishness and fear (i.e. lack of conscious attunement to that Source like Love).

The beauty we find here, particularly in nature though is very real, and that's a reflection of the original creation that was made by one of the Co-Creator Beings. That world/level still exists, but it exists in what we would call and perceive as the nonphysical.

What happened was a group of rebellious, self serving, and separative Spirits came into their grown up Sibling's Co-Creation, and they started to trash it, try to change it to suit their own conceptions and desires, and as they connected to the various created forms (the plants, the rocks, the trees, the animals, etc, etc), they started to forget who and what they were as Spirit, and started to identify with the forms and the creation, and eventually they completely fell asleep to wake up in a bad dream of their own creation--a nightmare based upon a weird combination of the original creation and their OWN distorted perceptions, desires, and beliefs of same in connection.

And many of us, many of you, have come into your siblings' shared bad dream, to try to wake them up. But the bad dream seems very real once you enter, and many of us retrievers had started to get somewhat stuck ourselves, and the cycle has perpetuated.

These are very deep concepts, and are very uncomfortable and triggering to the ego parts of us, to our body. That part of us that is a densified, concentrated reflection of concentrated spiritual rebellion, selfishness, fear, and separativeness.

The good news is that any of us can fully awaken at any time. It's simply a matter of choice and focus. We are coming to a collective awakening cycle. Once enough of us start to do that, the vibratory patterns of this level will start to shift--everything will become lighter, faster vibratory, including what we perceive and call bodies/forms, and keeping that attunement to Source like Love and positivity will become easier and easier.

In about a thousand years from now, every Soul in human form will be like a Yeshua or a Buddha--fully or nearly fully awake to their true, original nature. All suffering will be lifted and then dissipate like the memory of one waking up, from a bad dream, into the True reality.

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posted October 04, 2020 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like interpretation of Saturn to be the area where you need to take responsibility.
I have this placement. My esteem is unstable. I need a lot of things to go my way to feel well. Relation with money is changeable. I think I attract people who care about money much more than me.

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posted October 04, 2020 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, but 2nd House doesn't relate at all to the kind of people we attract or don't attract. It's all self related.

If Saturn rules the 7th, 9th (collective belief systems, cultural ideologies, etc), or 11th, or is strongly aspected to rulers of same, and is in the 2nd, then it could relate to that some.

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posted October 04, 2020 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 04, 2020 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes sense.

Btw, Venus in Cap or Aqua? It's been quite awhile since I've seen your chart.

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posted October 04, 2020 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I like interpretation of Saturn to be the area where you need to take responsibility.
I have this placement. Mine esteem is unstable. I need a lot of things to go my way to feel well. Relation with money is changeable. I think I attract people who care about money much more than me.

Maybe that's one reason I don't like gurus, and also don't like conspiracy theories. I have Saturn in the 9th house (it rules my 3rd house).

The rest of the credit goes to my mother, for telling me about Jim Jones, and from learning about him and the rest of them.

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posted October 04, 2020 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
You and 80 something percent of women i.e most women.. The female body is wired to desire material security from a partner, and most people are quite influenced by their bodies and body urges much of the time.

Only the more unusually mature (in a consciousness/spiritual sense) break out of that control.

Earth has a sort of saying attached to it in other parts of the Universe among other intelligent beings, "world where the beings are slaves to their bio body suits".

(That, and, "it's a ******* cluster BEEP down there. Enter at own risk").


Most men I know, have felt better about themselves when they could afford to take care of their families. Some waited until they knew they could, to propose. So let's not put this all on women.

I have an aunt who had a long affair with a guy who turned out to be abusive (he whacked her around the face at one point, when he was divorced, and they were still seeing each other). She used to say that she would live in a mud hut with him, if he left his wife - no way was that going to happen, and I doubt that he would have wanted that, either.

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posted October 04, 2020 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well aware of this Teasel, and also well aware that a majority of men have their own corresponding limiting materialistic issues and attachments--such as objectifying women and their bodies, and/or overly focusing on their bodies in a shallow or sexual gratification way.

I wasn't tearing down women to build men up, or anything remotely similar to that.

Much of the time, I tend to view people more as Souls than anything else. And my own Soul, I know, is slightly more tipped to the Yin/feminine despite my body's physical gender and attunement.

Carl Jung once said something similar about this, something about how the Soul of a man is female. This is not always (and not even necessarily often) true, but in this case, it's somewhat true (in self's case, it's a slight polarization).

It's part of the reason why most of my friends have been female. Because there is a deeper part of self that can relate to and harmonize well with feminine energy/attunement.

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posted October 05, 2020 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GalacticCoreExplosion
I didn't reply to your post as I was wondering if I wanna turn this into a spiritual discussion (lol), but I completely agree with you on people being stuck in their fear and this is what motivated many of us on the paths we've chosen. Whether this is right or wrong depends on "what" we've chosen and we all have our own moral compass.

I've a lot of thoughts but I don't wish to derail this thread.

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posted October 05, 2020 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No worries, completely understand, and thank you for note on this.

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posted October 05, 2020 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GalacticCore, Virgo, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by teasel:
Maybe that's one reason I don't like gurus, and also don't like conspiracy theories. I have Saturn in the 9th house (it rules my 3rd house).

The rest of the credit goes to my mother, for telling me about Jim Jones, and from learning about him and the rest of them.


Hm, I know someone with Neptune in 9th, and she’s opposite, into all such of crazy things.


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