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Ami Anne
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posted June 07, 2011 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you please explain this to me in practical terms .Thanks!

It is in a man's natal in a chart I am doing.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend whom I asked said that spirituality could get mixed up with drive.
What would that look like in a practical way?
Would it be the person who HIDES in a spiritual role like a priest who was afraid to make it in the real world so withdrew.

Would it be like the type of Christian man who is a Goodie two shoes and would not fight

Hi AG --Rememember our discussion

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posted June 07, 2011 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Preomateus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be interesting:

1) Might have masculinity issues- the image of masculinity is overly important, even though they retain an ethereal and slightly feminine aura. Contrast to a Venus Pluto conjunction.
2) Sexuality issues- linked to 1
3) Cannot say no, easily swayed
4) Mars beats down Neptune into a pulp. Neptune dies, Mars wins. These people are Neptoon-less.
5) Neptune throws acid on Mars. Mars screams and melts. Neptune wins, and these people have no drive, or passion.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose Neptune( deep spirituality and sensitivity ) would be too close to drive which is aggressive and outward movement.

Perhaps it would be like a Pisces Mars?

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posted June 07, 2011 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on his ASC. Do you know it?

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Ami Anne
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posted June 07, 2011 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Darling Coffee
His chart is in Personal Readings
It is Crabby Patty titled "Why is this man so wimpy


Cap ASC and Cap Sun

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posted June 07, 2011 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Preomateus:
This may be interesting:

1) Might have masculinity issues- the image of masculinity is overly important, even though they retain an ethereal and slightly feminine aura. Contrast to a Venus Pluto conjunction.
2) Sexuality issues- linked to 1
3) Cannot say no, easily swayed
4) Mars beats down Neptune into a pulp. Neptune dies, Mars wins. These people are Neptoon-less.
5) Neptune throws acid on Mars. Mars screams and melts. Neptune wins, and these people have no drive, or passion.

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Great Post.
With those last 2 opposite possibilities--which one does one choose when interpreting the chart?

This may sound silly but I have this question in general often?
Does one choose the "stronger" planet?
Would it be Mars?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 07, 2011 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a close Mars-Neptune conjunction.
This is not a good aspect for ego driven people (as we all are at some point), especially for men. Ultimately, Neptune asks a man to give up so many identity beliefs about what a man should be and it demands to find a unique way to express your masculinity, very differently from social sterotypes. As a man, you are asked to integrate Neptunian energies, which is not an easy task, in particular in this society.

At the highest level, it means spirituality, selfless actions, integration of your feminine side.

I am a very sensitive, empathic, intuitive and even psychic individual. The hard side of being a Neptunian Mars man is that it is difficult to pursue personal ambitions, take actions (for my only interest). I sometimes feel mentally clouded, unable to think straightforward (even with my cappy Mercury as Neptune influence is so strong on my personality). I am a passionate individual (venus square Pluto) and I was very active sexually, but I finally decided not to have sex any more (even masturbation) because, above all, I seek spiritual connections with my lovers which I found hard to find. I have not been interested in sex for years and I do not feel frustrated at all. I do not miss sex. It is as if my energy was transformed and used differently. It may change in the future if I meet a person with whom I coud have a deep (spiritual) connection, but sex is not compulsory to me or a cause of concern.

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posted June 07, 2011 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by samsaoule:
I have a close Mars-Neptune conjunction.
This is not a good aspect for ego driven people (as we all are at some point), especially for men. Ultimately, Neptune asks a man to give up so many identity beliefs about what a man should be and it asks to find a unique way to express your masculinity, very differently from social sterotypes. As a man, you are asked to integrate Neptunian energies, which is not an easy task, in particular in this society.

At the highest level, it means spirituality, selfless actions, integration of your feminine side.

I am a very sensitive, empathic, intuitive and even psychic individual. The hard side of being a Neptunian Mars man is that it is difficult to pursue personal ambitions, take actions (for my only interest). I sometimes feel mentally clouded, unable to think straightforward (even with my cappy Mercury as Neptune influence is so strong on my personality). I am a passionate individual (venus square Pluto) and I was very active sexually, but I finally decided not to have sex any more (even masturbation) because, above all, I seek spiritual connections with my lovers which I found hard to find. I have not been interested in sex for years and I do not feel frustrated at all. I do not miss sex. It is as if my energy was transformed and used differently. It may change in the future if I meet a person with whom I coud have a deep (spiritual) connection, but sex is not compulsory to me or a cause of concern.


Brilliant Post. Thank you!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted June 07, 2011 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Brilliant Post. Thank you!



I am happy to share ;-)

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posted June 07, 2011 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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posted June 07, 2011 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars/Neptune people always teeter on that thin border between dreaming and dream realisation. They feel as if they betray their -vision,ideal,path- by relating it in real world. That's why they r often labelled as passive/no drive. Neptune alters Mars nature,Neptune gives gratification without material. Not always spiritual,mostly idealistic. Alluring-the way they present themselves,and in those instances u can sense Mars,where Mars/Neptune person is subtle but quietly confident-they know their way; they r calm,assured,because they r commited to their work,ideas etc. Good aspect for artist,but they can be completely lost in everyday situations. I don't think that man is wimpy because of this aspect.

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posted June 07, 2011 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine is in earth, Cappy - as you know..

What I feel from this conjunction is just that I am very in tune with spiritual trends around me and when I take action (Mars) it feels very in line with my destiny.
I always feel like I am going with the flow and seldom against it, in life. It's generally lucky for me to go with the flow. I'm always positively surprised (This could be because of Jupiter in Pisces - sextile this conjunction.. since Jupiter is 'good luck').
I do have very set out plans - as all Cap Mars people.. but they are not self-inspired.. My future plans are always inspired by something else.. something I feel is "right" - like I should be doing it because it *fits* my fate... rather than I simply chose/decided to do it (not sure if that makes sense).

It can be similar to Pisces Mars and I like other watery Mars people!

samsoule -


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I seek spiritual connections with my lovers which I found hard to find.

I completely understand that!
Have you ever been with a Scorpio Mars partner?
This is the only man I have felt a true spiritual connection with.

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posted June 07, 2011 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Ami - I read it can be a good aspect for politicians in men.
But they probably only mention this because Bill Clinton has it.

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posted June 07, 2011 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does this apply to you- samsoule?
http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Demisexual

This in particular:

quote:
When describing demisexuality as an orientation to sexuals, sexuals often mistake it as an admirable choice rather than an innate orientation. Demisexuals are not choosing to abstain; they simply lack sexual attraction until a close relationship is formed.

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posted June 08, 2011 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This supposedly gives someone charisma

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posted June 08, 2011 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Does this apply to you- samsoule?
http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Demisexual

This in particular:
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Hi Betty Boop, I will take a look on that and will answer later as I am going to work. ;-)

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posted June 08, 2011 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this in Cap... opposite Chiron, for me it is a warrior thing. But Neptune just sometimes kills my drive along the way...

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posted June 08, 2011 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just men?

I got this conjunction in Cap.
I don't no no drive or passion, but I also have it conjunct uranus and I have a Scorpio moon.
But I do feel it makes me lazy, not driveless.
I feel like my biggest issue is figuring out what I want, but once I do BAM!
That demisexual thing is interesting. I find it very rare for me to be sexually attracted to someone who I am not romantically interested in.

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posted June 08, 2011 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the opposition, Sag Neptune with a Gemini Mars.

I always dream of war.

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posted June 08, 2011 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Yrone:
I have the opposition, Sag Neptune with a Gemini Mars.

I always dream of war.


Are you serious or is it a joke?

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posted June 08, 2011 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well a bit of both. I should have phrased it differently hahah. But it does sound way more dramatic like that no?

See, for as long as I can remember, I always played battles and fighting, was fascinated with war strategy, loved martial arts. If you ask me who my favourite people in history are, there's going to be a bunch of military commanders among them.

Occasionally I do really dream of it as well.

I've heard there are some theories about what you are naturally good at is something you brought over from past lifes.

Oh and btw, you are going to like this :P
I have square between your two favourite asteroids

But not to worry, I am a very peaceful person, I don't even kill flies or spiders.

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posted June 08, 2011 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:

samsoule -

I completely understand that!
Have you ever been with a Scorpio Mars partner?
This is the only man I have felt a true spiritual connection with.



Hi Betty Boop,

I actually fell in love with a man with a Scorpio Mars recently, but I did not identify this part of the chart as a “turn on” for me. We had other interaspects that triggered the attraction. It was a karmic encounter, but sadly, I do not think we are meant to have a true relationship :-(

quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:

I'm really not sure why the secrecy... It must be a Neptune thing.

Have you ever been private to an extreme?
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I can talk about my private life to people I have just met, it is not a problem for I have a strong need for truth and some kind of “intimacy”. But at the same time, I need to have my personal space respected and the possibility to withdraw from others. Freedom and respect are very important to me (Sun square Uranus, Aries Moon, etc.)
However, you are right, as a last resort, it is very difficult for me to open the very heart of my soul to people. It is as if I was working hard to open myself in being as true as possible and telling “others” intimate things because I actually try to reach this part of me who is at the heart of my soul, overprotected and finally not connected to others. I try hard to loose my grip on vulnerabilities and Neptune is here to help me whether I want it or not ;-) Because it is such a frustration not to be connected…

quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Does this apply to you- samsoule?
http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Demisexual


I do not think I am a demisexual, as it is described as an innate orientation. I have not always been like that and I chose to abstain from sex at some point in my life because I felt it was the right time and it was better for me. I was consciously ready (though it took a while before it really happened...it did not happen overnight ;-).

As a matter of fact, I feel Neptune has always been there to subtly push me to refine my energies and the way I express myself. When I do something which is not aligned with Neptune, this energy manifests itself from my unconscious as a cloudy mind, a loss of energy, dissipation, frustration, dissatisfaction and sometimes various material obstacles.

Step by step, Neptune brought up my conscious there, but I am still very much identified to my ego and the frustration I feel is sometimes unbearable as to interpersonal love for instance (not the lack of sexual act but the lack of reciprocity).

I also make a difference between sex and the sexual act. When I am in love with a man it is because I feel an emotional connection AND a sexual/sensual attraction which does not necessarily require a sexual act for fulfillment (the sexual act is out of my mind, unless it happens ;-). I do not know if it is clear for the reader. Lol.

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posted June 08, 2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi samsoule,

Thank you so much for answering my questions! I don't know anyone in RL who has this conjunction. It's interesting because I am also in love with a Scorpio Mars man, and it is likewise "not meant to be a true relationship" -- that's how it seems anyway. What sign is your conjunction in?


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posted June 08, 2011 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CrazyAqua

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