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Valus
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posted May 23, 2009 12:07 PM
 
This is a great book:
Eastern Body, Western Mind:
Psychology and The Chakra System
As A Path To The Self by Judith Anodea
http://www.amazon.com/Eastern-Body-Western-Mind-Psychology/dp/0890878153
"The chakras start with
survival (at the base of the spine),
followed by sexuality (lower back),
power (solar plexus), love (heart area),
communication (throat), intuition (brow),
and cognition (crown)."
~ editorial reviews
LOWER CHAKRA IMBALANCE -
THE KEY TO "SUCCESS"???
One interesting thing this book talks about is how easy it is for people with an emphasis on the lower chakras to achieve worldly success. According to the author's research, there are many, many people in this world who have a significant chakra imbalance which actually promotes a life of self-reliance, outward achievement, and financial success. This is actually a serious illness, but, since the society we live in is sick in the same way, these people actually excel in our present society despite their illness. Nevertheless, the ultimate result of all this "success", is that these people, despite all the security and comfort they have accrued, the respect they have earned from their contemporaries, and the (often prodigious) fruits of their labors, -- despite all of this, -- these people end up feeling alienated from humanity, empty inside, and completely unfulfilled by their success. In the latter part of their life, they begin to see the value of developing the upper chakras, but, by then, it is often too late. A life of goal-oriented thought and action, which recognizes only appearances and results, has left them with no time to form meaningful relationships, to question and examine all the perspectives which they have swallowed whole out of the hands of whatever culture they were born into, or to dream all the wandering dreams they have repressed for the sake of taking a narrow path to arrive at a preconceived goal. The flipside of this would be people who tend to be thinkers and dreamers, and who have over-developed the upper chakras. These people are stigmatized by this society, and frequently end up homeless, locked-up, self-annihilated, or dependent on others. In the past, and in less "modern" societies, they would tend to become the shamans, artists, story-tellers; the central movers and organizers of society. Can we imagine a society in which both types are equally honored, while an ultimate balance of the chakras is sought by both?
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Spanky Butler
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posted May 23, 2009 08:28 PM
Thanks for that info Steve. It makes an awful lot of sense. IP: Logged |
SunChild
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posted May 24, 2009 12:54 AM
I agree with that.  IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted May 24, 2009 04:33 AM
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The flipside of this would be people who tend to be thinkers and dreamers, and who have over-developed the upper chakras. These people are stigmatized by this society, and frequently end up homeless, locked-up, self-annihilated, or dependent on others. In the past, and in less "modern" societies, they would tend to become the shamans, artists, story-tellers; the central movers and organizers of society. Can we imagine a society in which both types are equally honored, while an ultimate balance of the chakras is sought by both?
Interesting all. And I've noticed that plenty of visionaries depended on others to care for them. Even people like Jesus Christ seemed to need disciples to take care of him. Either that, or a woman (strange, one woman, or many male disciples, not sure what to make of that one). 'Course they rarely get any credit for doing so, even though the visionary would've been dead in a ditch before he ever got himself written into history without such support...
As for me personally, I let a guy live with me for quite awhile once until I had to move and couldn't carry him (he had his mom, otherwise, I'd have found a way to keep him). Some who know me are confused because I do believe that people should make their own way in the world Thing is, the guy was so entertaining and hilarious that I took care of him for that reason.
And is it so strange? People spend A LOT of money on comedy and entertainment every year. That is, he provided something very valuable. So he didn't do much work, couldn't keep a job, and was something of a bum, but he had a gift for making each day much more pleasant by his wry Sag wit and over the top humor. The fact that he didn't project an attitude of entitlement like so many other bums & leeches do was also a big plus. He was very easy going and found myself completely comfortable around him. Even when he made fun of me or bluntly honest observations about me that were less than flattering I found him pleasant company. In contrast, a few months ago a guy with a bunch of money & toys tried to get me to move in with him promising me all kinds of goodies. I couldn't stand him or his attitude that because he had all that stuff that of course I'd move in and be his ***** and so wouldn't accept his money or gifts and made it VERY clear that he wasn't welcome in my life. I'm currently musing on the nature of money right now, but I'll spare you my long, drawn out thoughts on that (especially as I'm not sure what I think yet). IP: Logged |
Lyra
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posted May 24, 2009 05:31 AM
Appreciate what you're saying Steve - I have been trying to work on the purple chakra for a time - did one of those chakra tests which showed me to be strong around the orange, red and, curiously, indigo chakras - other chakras were more deficient and the purple one especially so - plus I seemed to be angry and heartless a lot of the time. At the same time I was outwardly more successful...but now I'm just taking time out to dream. Thank you, Lyra IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted May 24, 2009 12:16 PM
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A life of goal-oriented thought and action, which recognizes only appearances and results, has left them with no time to form meaningful relationships, to question and examine all the perspectives which they have swallowed whole out of the hands of whatever culture they were born into, or to dream all the wandering dreams they have repressed for the sake of taking a narrow path to arrive at a preconceived goal.
One of the most difficult relationships I have is with a person like this. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 24, 2009 03:22 PM
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the visionary would've been dead in a ditch before he ever got himself written into history without such support
Well said, Dervish. And the reverse may be equally true; that, without the support of the visionary, the practical man (and civilization itself) may have fall into the ditch. Not all visionaries make it into the history books (or into the ditch). They are just as likely to be the unsung supporters, behind the scenes, while the people they love go on to accomplish a great deal in the outer world. We all have different gifts to share, and in a perfect world we could all earn our way, whether by traditional or more unconventional means. Some have a practicality about them that is reassuring, and often comes with a knack for creating material security.. some have a lightness, wit, humor, and enthusiasm that heals us,... while others have an ability to heal with their words and insights, or their dreamy and affectionate natures. There are so many ways people can endear themselves to us, depending on our particular tastes, and, if we are modest in our wants, this can often be enough. For centuries, families existed on a single income, and the culture did not openly encourage resentment between the working partner and the home-maker. Of course, it was expected that the man would work in the world, and the woman would tend to the home and/or the children. It is still widely frowned-upon for the man to stay at home, and, now, it is even frowned upon for women, too. "Everyone must work!" That is what they want us to believe. They would use our blood to grease the wheels of industry.. bigger, more, more... Have we evolved? What happened to the advice of Seneca: He is wealthiest who can do with the least. People work so hard.. for what? So they can watch cable t.v., go out to dinner, the movies, amusements, vacations, or so they can feel worthy in their own eyes or in the eyes of society... all the things we do, and all the places we go, when we don't have someone in our lives whose mere presence, personality, heart and mind, warms, inspires, supports, and entertains us. Or maybe it is just the chemistry between this person and ourselves, which makes a two income household unnecessary, and even undesireable. We all have self-righteous and idealistic notions of how the world "should" be, including self-righteous and idealistic expectations of how others "should" perform, or "should" be able and willing to perform. But the reality is more stubborn. And if some square pegs feel entitled not to be expected to fit, or forced to fit, into rectangular holes.. well, maybe they are. Perhaps they know something we don't know about the reality of themselves and how they fit (or cannot fit) into our society? "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." (~G.B.Shaw) So, who are these "unreasonable men"? Perhaps, in many cases, they are simply the men whom we deem unreasonable when we ourselves have failed to reason.
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Valus
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posted May 24, 2009 03:28 PM
Thanks for commenting, Spanky Butler, SunChild, Dervish, Lyra, and AG.IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2009 03:49 PM
Yes, this looked like a good one. Been planning on picking it up someday. Thanks for the excerpt. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 24, 2009 04:15 PM
i'm thinking of several "success stories" who are very active in their "higher" chakras - the visionaries like henry ford, jp morgan, carnegie, etc. and richard branson, bill gates and steve jobs - though jobs seems less grounded than gates no one can call him unsuccessful!to me the third chakra is almost the most important in terms of worldly success...the steamroller will to keep going despite opposition. i'm thinking the 3 lower chakras tend to be more evident in people who have what i call a "grip" on "reality", the physical plane. and the top 3 are where the dreamers live, but without the third they will be derailed from their dreams by the "average joe" who can't understand...but neither vision nor grounding alone can create big-time success. IMO that is! IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted May 24, 2009 05:40 PM
Someone over the net that I've gotten close to is currently in a job he hates working with very dangerous people because he "has to have a job." This is despite that he still gets royalties from books he's done in the past. One of his few valves are his fics (they tend to be very depressing, but I like them anyway--and some are hilarious), but because this doesn't make him money, his wife won't allow him to do this, and even checks his computer and does net searches to make sure he's not posting. Because she strongly believes that if he writes, it should ONLY be for money, and not pleasure.  So far, he's refused to do what I've encouraged him to do and emphatically say the ONLY reason one should have sex is for money.  Once I get my land, I'm gonna keep an open invitation for him to come retire there free of charge any time he wants. (And if he hooks up with my Granny, who I also want to retire there, so much the better.) I suppose that makes me sorta homewrecker, but I find it really hard to believe that his wife loves him. I just LIKE him, and if he lived with me, not only would I encourage his fanfic writings, I'd strongly discourage him from working at a place where he faces being attacked by vicious violent criminals everyday. If he MUST have a job, there's things like working in a movie theater, which pays less, but is so much safer and still provides money (and free movie viewings). And given that this is my attitude when I just LIKE him, how can I believe that his wife LOVES him? I simply can't. And to me, a job is just what you do so that you can make a living and do what it is you DO (which should not be your job--not unless it's a calling, of course, like say some kind of relief work or other service or artistic expression you're dedicated to that you manage to get paid for). That is to say, I see making money as a means to an end, not the end desired itself. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 24, 2009 06:06 PM
T, katatonic, Dervish,
Will is in the lower chakras, katatonic. And the reality which they have a grip on is the one that coincides with the values of the present society. For my money, the dreamers are often more realistic, in the sense that they percieve nuances which elude (and would only hinder) the man of action. In a very real sense, they see and understand more, and it is precisely this which prevents them from cutting a clear path towards a goal -- as they would have to cut through the truth. Practical people are not hindered by the truth, because they value what is useful more than what is true. They dont get "hung up" on deep, revolutionary questions, -- the ones that lead to true evolutionary leaps, -- but are content to make their way in the channels that the present society (i.e. "reality") has more or less carved out for them already. The mind of the thinker, or the heart of the dreamer, do not intervene to loosen their willful grip on that "reality". While the pursuit of love and truth, in this society, is hindered by what is immediately useful, or profitable, to the individual, the pursuit of what is useful and profitable to the individual is rarely, if ever, hindered by what is loving and true; mainly because thinkers and dreamers only hinder the man who thinks and dreams (i.e. themselves), while men of action generally and easily impose their wills on everyone (including themselves).
Dervish, you rock!
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Valus
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posted May 24, 2009 06:14 PM
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nXANft_-E&NR=1 IP: Logged |
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posted May 24, 2009 06:22 PM
That chakra test was good for me in general and I do feel internally fine, its just the external which is becoming a bit of a bore.Interesting post Dervish, again. You seem a nice one. Having sex for money is fine these days and much better than working on a slave wage in "normal" jobs. That is, for the people who want to do it. Can see the benefits, but that aint me. I keep trying to get my brother
into that field, but he seems a little reluctant. What are fics? Millions of applications later with no reply from interview, which is a bit more than strange, is not ideal for me.
I could probably take any low paying job, such as the cinema. It is fun and ideal, but is also open to the public, so you got to watch whoever is around. Not one for public contact  So, I only apply to these office positions, where there is no contact with the public, but never seem to get anywhere despite having a good CV etc etc. I guess if I applied to a public type job, I would be fine. I could do astrology, but there are people who want to keep the status quo. I guess the whole thing about Chakras is keeping the internal happy. That is fine, until you consider the external, which unfortunately, is a large part of reality. I think both types can be found and thriving in respective environments. The more internal, like me, not ideal in an external world such as this one. I guess thats why I have always had interest in under-developed countries. It will be worse when bad, but people who have less money realise the important things in life and behave in an according manner. I doubt you will find a true balance, but it does exist, just not in the capital world. IP: Logged |
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posted May 25, 2009 12:47 AM
That Terrence McKenna vid reminds me of sage advice:"I would share with my classmates rejection of the whole world as it is--all of it. Is there any point in studying and work? Fornication--at least that is something good. What else is there to do? Fornicate and take drugs against the terrible strain of idiots who govern the world." --Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, in reply to being asked what he would do if he were twenty today, in The New York Times, Feb. 20, 1970, quoted in Mary Breastead, Oh! Sex Education!, p. 359  quote:
Having sex for money is fine these days and much better than working on a slave wage in "normal" jobs. That is, for the people who want to do it. Can see the benefits, but that aint me. I keep trying to get my brother
into that field, but he seems a little reluctant.
Actually, I HAVE said that before that I'd become a prostitute before a wage slave, and meant it (the 2 standard professions that I could see learning to become are bartender and reference librarian, and I might pursue one or both when I move to a small town). As long as I'm freelance and able to pick & choose, I'd consider it far more dignified that what many wage slaves put up with (and even when not, at least it's more honest & pays better). As for yourself, do you know how to fix broken instruments, furniture, etc? If so, you could get such things cheap at like a Goodwill store, fix it, and sell it through classifieds. I know a guy who got a $1 broken keyboard from Goodwill, fixed it in less than an hour, and sold it for $300 less than a month later. Your library might have some good tips on things like that, too (check mainly 700s & 800s--but always keep in mind that books almost always fail to capture the reality of the sitch *, so starting off will almost certainly be frustrating as you pick up the more subtle and intangible aspects of working for yourself). * Oh, btw, sitch = situation.  quote:
What are fics?
Fics = fiction. Fanfics = fiction centered around what someone is a fan of, that is using source material and characters from an established source (Star Trek, Buffy, Kim Possible, etc) rather than your original creation. I'd link to his works, but as I've given personal info about him already, I don't want to take a chance of "outing" him, so here's a link to MY fanfics (or at least some of them) for some examples of fanfics:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1378724/Janarky IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 25, 2009 01:14 AM
“Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable.”
“The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it's only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse. If you go to Bosnia or Somalia or Peru or much of the third-world then it appears that the apocalypse has already arrived.”
“We are so much the victims of abstraction that with the Earth in flames we can barely rouse ourselves to wander across the room and look at the thermostat.”
~ Terence McKenna
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posted May 25, 2009 02:42 AM
when i was broke in london i started going to the auction houses - not the big, sotheby's, christie's etc, but reasonably well-populated ones. for a few pounds you could buy a lot with a number of items...some to use, some to sell. you have to have a little knowledge about what will fetch a decent price but it's a good way to turn a quick buck even today, i am sure...another way i made money without "working" was by opening up a venue never used for the purpose before, stocking the bar, making posters, booking some bands and selling cheap tickets for various causes - people doing charity or starting up projects benefitting the public...though it was non-profit that didn't mean we couldn't compensate ourselves for the time and outlay... my point there are a lot of ways to make money without doing the nine-to-five (or even the five-to-nine)... but you have to use your upper chakras for the ideas! IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 25, 2009 04:12 AM
I hear you, kat. I've managed to slip through the cracks, myself.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 25, 2009 06:19 AM
I deal a lot with thrift stores (both selling my crafts as well as buying), discount stores, etc. I'm also reminded that even if you're vegetarian, you can get free meals. If you're lucky, then Food Not Bombs is around you that provides such meals. But another source are art shows. I used to crash those all the times for the free food. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 25, 2009 12:54 PM
anyway as to the chakras i really don't think you can "succeed" in a big way without the vision of the higher(at least third eye) chakras, the communication of the 5th and the will of the 3rd. the root chakra is very good for survival and if it is overdeveloped it might bring in the whole pig not just the bacon, but to my mind the big successes have been those who brought something new to the table.we currently have a bunch of billionaires clubbing together to decide how best to give away their excess money. i don't think one of them is rich because of survival motives...oprah, gates, buffett, can't remember the other 2 or 3. but they were all willing to cut someone on the way up. IP: Logged |
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posted May 25, 2009 01:22 PM
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That Terrence McKenna vid reminds me of sage advice:"I would share with my classmates rejection of the whole world as it is--all of it. Is there any point in studying and work? Fornication--at least that is something good. What else is there to do? Fornicate and take drugs against the terrible strain of idiots who govern the world." --Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, in reply to being asked what he would do if he were twenty today, in The New York Times, Feb. 20, 1970, quoted in Mary Breastead, Oh! Sex Education!, p. 359
A very wise man! The fixing things sounds fine and you definitely make a profit on buying, assuming you can sell. Im more of a: buy a portable cooker and get cooking breakfast. Thats easy. May poison one or two, but the profit will even out, so no worries. But really, he is a dirty lad and is proud to admit it. He could go far. I think the two times when the store was robbed while I working, is enough for me to think I dont get paid enough to do that. No-one does. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 25, 2009 03:00 PM
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Valus
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posted May 25, 2009 09:12 PM
katatonic,
I agree with you.
We can all think of exceptions;
individuals who are more
completely developed and
who experience a true
and holistic success. It pretty much goes without saying
that the absolute heights of success
would be reached by someone who is
"firing on all cylinders". But what many people are content
to call "success" in this culture
is achieved without the help of
the higher chakras. While a person equally,
but differently, imbalanced
will struggle and be stigmatized. That's the point I wish to make.
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posted May 25, 2009 09:56 PM
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The flipside of this would be people who tend to be thinkers and dreamers, and who have over-developed the upper chakras. These people are stigmatized by this society, and frequently end up homeless, locked-up, self-annihilated, or dependent on others. In the past, and in less "modern" societies, they would tend to become the shamans, artists, story-tellers; the central movers and organizers of society.
This is one of those times where I wish I was born in the past. *sigh* At the same time though, people we're much more superstitious in those times, with dangerous consequences. I guess, in nature with my 7th house sun, I would prefer the middle route: a society with balanced emphasis on qualities related to both the lower and higher chakras. I'm sure there are countless examples of cultures like that, but I can't think at the moment. LOL
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katatonic
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posted May 26, 2009 11:54 AM
well i have to agree with you really. i have had this conversation with my ex many times; i was the "idealistic" if "Naive" one and he the one who had a "grip on reality". he has done very nicely for himself however admitted to me a couple of years ago that being richer has not made him happier. whereas i have been up and down with money and possessions throughout life and really have had a great life as far as i am concerned. still plenty to work on. i guess it depends what you call success. to me having a big house is fairly low-level. thing is it is easier for the "dreamers" to work on strengthening their lower chakras than vice versa - in my opinion. because the daily demands of life offer so much opportunity to "exercise" the lower, while one has actively to set aside time for the higher ones... IP: Logged | |
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