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Glaucus
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posted October 01, 2009 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
WASHINGTON – The story of humankind is reaching back another million years as scientists learn more about "Ardi," a hominid who lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia. The 110-pound, 4-foot female roamed forests a million years before the famous Lucy, long studied as the earliest skeleton of a human ancestor.

This older skeleton reverses the common wisdom of human evolution, said anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University.

Rather than humans evolving from an ancient chimp-like creature, the new find provides evidence that chimps and humans evolved from some long-ago common ancestor — but each evolved and changed separately along the way.

"This is not that common ancestor, but it's the closest we have ever been able to come," said Tim White, director of the Human Evolution Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley.

The lines that evolved into modern humans and living apes probably shared an ancestor 6 million to 7 million years ago, White said in a telephone interview.

But Ardi has many traits that do not appear in modern-day African apes, leading to the conclusion that the apes evolved extensively since we shared that last common ancestor.

A study of Ardi, under way since the first bones were discovered in 1994, indicates the species lived in the woodlands and could climb on all fours along tree branches, but the development of their arms and legs indicates they didn't spend much time in the trees. And they could walk upright, on two legs, when on the ground.

Formally dubbed Ardipithecus ramidus — which means root of the ground ape — the find is detailed in 11 research papers published Thursday by the journal Science.

"This is one of the most important discoveries for the study of human evolution," said David Pilbeam, curator of paleoanthropology at Harvard's Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology.

"It is relatively complete in that it preserves head, hands, feet and some critical parts in between. It represents a genus plausibly ancestral to Australopithecus — itself ancestral to our genus Homo," said Pilbeam, who was not part of the research teams.

Scientists assembled the skeleton from 125 pieces.

Lucy, also found in Africa, thrived a million years after Ardi and was of the more human-like genus Australopithecus.

"In Ardipithecus we have an unspecialized form that hasn't evolved very far in the direction of Australopithecus. So when you go from head to toe, you're seeing a mosaic creature that is neither chimpanzee, nor is it human. It is Ardipithecus," said White.

White noted that Charles Darwin, whose research in the 19th century paved the way for the science of evolution, was cautious about the last common ancestor between humans and apes.

"Darwin said we have to be really careful. The only way we're really going to know what this last common ancestor looked like is to go and find it. Well, at 4.4 million years ago we found something pretty close to it," White said. "And, just like Darwin appreciated, evolution of the ape lineages and the human lineage has been going on independently since the time those lines split, since that last common ancestor we shared."

Some details about Ardi in the collection of papers:

• Ardi was found in Ethiopia's Afar Rift, where many fossils of ancient plants and animals have been discovered. Findings near the skeleton indicate that at the time it was a wooded environment. Fossils of 29 species of birds and 20 species of small mammals were found at the site.

• Geologist Giday WoldeGabriel of Los Alamos National Laboratory was able to use volcanic layers above and below the fossil to date it to 4.4 million years ago.

• Ardi's upper canine teeth are more like the stubby ones of modern humans than the long, sharp, pointed ones of male chimpanzees and most other primates. An analysis of the tooth enamel suggests a diverse diet, including fruit and other woodland-based foods such as nuts and leaves.

• Paleoanthropologist Gen Suwa of the University of Tokyo reported that Ardi's face had a projecting muzzle, giving her an ape-like appearance. But it didn't thrust forward quite as much as the lower faces of modern African apes do. Some features of her skull, such as the ridge above the eye socket, are quite different from those of chimpanzees. The details of the bottom of the skull, where nerves and blood vessels enter the brain, indicate that Ardi's brain was positioned in a way similar to modern humans, possibly suggesting that the hominid brain may have been already poised to expand areas involving aspects of visual and spatial perception.

• Ardi's hand and wrist were a mix of primitive traits and a few new ones, but they don't include the hallmark traits of the modern tree-hanging, knuckle-walking chimps and gorillas. She had relatively short palms and fingers which were flexible, allowing her to support her body weight on her palms while moving along tree branches, but she had to be a careful climber because she lacked the anatomical features that allow modern-day African apes to swing, hang and easily move through the trees.

• The pelvis and hip show the gluteal muscles were positioned so she could walk upright.

• Her feet were rigid enough for walking but still had a grasping big toe for use in climbing.

The research was funded by the National Science Foundation, the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics of the University of California, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science and others.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091001/ap_on_sc/us_sci_before_lucy

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posted October 01, 2009 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
muy coooool!

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posted October 01, 2009 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Just popping in briefly.....

Primates have 48 chromosomes. Humans have 46.

We cannot have evolved from primates for this reason.

But very interesting article!! Will come back to read it

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posted October 01, 2009 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
the article is saying that humans didn't evolve from a chimp-like creatures but that both humans and chimps evolved from some long ago ancestor - but each evolved and changed separately along the way.

humans are primates


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Primate, order of mammals that includes humans; apes, which are the closest living relatives to humans; monkeys; and some less familiar mammals, such as tarsiers, lorises, and lemurs. Humans and other primates share a common evolutionary descent. For this reason, primates have always fascinated scientists because their physical features, social organization, behavioral patterns, and fossil remains provide clues about our earliest human ancestors.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569210/Primate.html


the article being released with retrograde Jupiter in Aquarius trine Haumea is very interesting


Haumea is the transneptunian dwarf planet named after the Hawaiian creation/fertility goddess. Her children broke off from her body. The object,Haumea has pieces that broke off from her body and formed her moons and her fellow solar-orbiting transneptunian objects.

Haumea is currently in 15'50 Libra

Raymond


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posted October 02, 2009 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
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Genome researchers at the University of Chicago have identified more than 700 regions in human DNA where apparently strong selection has occurred, driving the spread of genes linked to a broad range of characteristics.

"These are very recent events—within the past ten thousand years," said Jonathan Pritchard, a geneticist whose laboratory team conducted the study.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0308_060308_evolution.html

Humans and primates may have a common ancestor from a zillion years ago, but I am super amazed at how quickly the human gene can change in a short amount of time.

I am going to keep an open mind about the evolution of human types because, even though our genes can adapt at evolutionary lightening speed, I believe there was divine intervention somewhere along the way.

"We come bearing chocolate and adaptive genes..."

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posted October 02, 2009 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Humans and primates may have a common ancestor from a zillion years ago, but I am super amazed at how quickly the human gene can change in a short amount of time."

Humans are primates. Humans aren't separate from primates. They are not outside the classification of primate. I made that point earlier in the last post with the encyclopedia entry on primates which says that primates include humans.


Primate, order of mammals that includes humans http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569210/Primate.html


What is a primate?

A primate is the most general category of closely related, intelligent, visually oriented, dexterous mammals possessing hands instead of paws. Primates can be divided into humans, apes, monkeys, and prosimians. These groups can be differentiated on the basis of physical features, for example, number of teeth, brain size relative to body size, overall body size, and presence or lack of a tail. After humans, the smartest and generally largest primates are the apes, e.g. chimpanzees and gorillas. Prosimians, e.g. lemurs, with the smallest relative brain and body size, are the most primitive primate. They are often active at night. All of the nonhuman primates at the TNPRC are monkeys. http://www.tpc.tulane.edu/public_faq.html


I am not into theories about alien genetic engineering. Yes...I've read stuff like that, especially stuff involving Niburu and the Annunaki.

I definitely don't believe in the Bible Genesis, Adam and Eve. That's Jewish mythology to me.


Raymond

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posted October 02, 2009 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, point taken, we are primates, but we are a little different for the regular primate and I don't mind calling us 'human'.

If you're interested in your haplotype, check out:

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/atlas.html

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posted October 02, 2009 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I don't mind calling us human too

I was just pointing out that human is not outside the primate classification. It's part of the classification like Pluto belongs to the kuiper belt classification.

saying "humans and primates" is like saying "French and Europeans". That and how you tried to make a point earlier that humans cannot evolve from primates implied that humans weren't primates.

It seemed like you were confusing primates with just apes/chimps.


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posted October 02, 2009 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Anunnaki, Human Evolution, and Planet X Nibiru http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJV4wrNwWDU&feature=PlayList&p=3140BD61AE36C0F 2&index=0&playnext=1


there is a suggestion that each race on this planet actually descended from a different extraterrestrial that visted our planet many years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7Hqk-Vgsc&feature=related

Hybrid Human Alien History http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o034jeVvU-Q&feature=related

Hybrid between Alien and Human?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY5YRp_8Png&feature=PlayList&p=0D9B4F9241CA3FF1&index=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIKfUDGvkWI&feature=PlayList&p=0D9B4F9241CA3FF1&index=23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eTAxU4dBGQ&feature=PlayList&p=0D9B4F9241CA3FF1&index=24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5VYuKLA7Fc&feature=PlayList&p=0D9B4F9241CA3FF1&index=26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bv9BYqUBCo&feature=related


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posted October 02, 2009 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
It seemed like you were confusing primates with just apes/chimps.

Not confused - know somethng about primates, but wanted to throw in a challenging concept of human hybrid.

You caught on remarkably fast...!!!!!

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