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Lara
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posted March 08, 2010 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WTF?

What is happening here? Why is Diana mocking me on another thread? I couldn't play a b1tch if i tried! I am way too honest and upfront LOL

I really find this offensive. It doesn't hurt me but its so offensive and disappointing to hear this within a close-knit community like LL. I love LL and i don't feel that i should have to listen to the crap that comes out of peoples mouths sometimes.

If you are all talking about me behind my back, step up now and tell me. I will then leave.

I can't stand b1tches, nor insecure wannabe's who just gossip and are negative behind my back. I don't want ANY NEGATIVITY in my life so if you have a problem with me lets sort it out.

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Lara
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posted March 08, 2010 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I'm out of here... i don't need this crap.

I've never been spoken to EVER by anyone the way this woman speaks to me... i don't deserve it. It's not my problem if someone has issues and misreads the context of my posts when i'm generalizing.

Thank you LL for everything. I love this site - i just find that to be accused of being a slag when i never have sex is really highly offensive and the negativity coming off is just something i don't want to be a part of - i can't afford to have any negative thought forms around me.

I am upset and very saddened that people can be so bitter and rack on me for having what i consider a healthy point of view. I'm gonna miss you guys

I you all. Hugs xx

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Cheshire Kat
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posted March 08, 2010 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
There are a few people that annoy me on LL, Im not for that "everybody is a spiritualist" nowaday mumbo jumbo because it grates me nerves, some of them are just snakes trying to feed people apples but I have to deal with it because most of my interests are going to have spiritualists around.

I just roll my eyes, sigh and move on or here on LL I act like I am completely blind to their posts since you can't block users on here and that usually works.

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teasel
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posted March 08, 2010 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know of any gossip (?), and I like both you and Diana.

Sorry to see you go.

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teasel
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posted March 08, 2010 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Have you read this?

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203624.html

Anne Ortelee's column for the week.

*edit. I would take a break, as Gypsee suggested. I never announce that I'm leaving, because I'm never sure that I could stick to it - there are too many good people here.

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posted March 09, 2010 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
ugg, IDK what thread and what happened, but I sure wish you'd reconsider!! everyone seems to be going, and like you said, it's a family. Sometimes disfunctional, but a family still. You said you'd miss us, that means you are attached, so maybe take a few days to think it over? I hope you do!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted March 09, 2010 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Lara, it's funny. The other day I was reading over the posts and thought, oh, Diana and Lara seem to be on better terms. Then I saw this and read the other thread. LOL.

I think you tend to be off the cuff in some of your comments sometimes and do not censor yourself at all. Diana tends to be blunt and doesn't mince her words. Both of you guys are strong-willed and direct in what you say. That's a similarity. It's that you two disagree on some stuff, so the differences will be more noticeable, even glaring.

Give it some time and let the mood pass. Mars rx and all. Learn to-exist. You both do anyway, in 'real life', every day


EDIT: Like Gypsee said, it's a family. Sometimes dysfunctional, sometimes tight. And sometimes you just need a %$#& break lol.

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Deux*Antares
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posted March 09, 2010 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Hey MVM!

quote:
The other day I was reading over the posts and thought, oh, Diana and Lara seem to be on better terms. Then I saw this and read the other thread. LOL.

I know they had sort of vowed to steer clear of each other and so recently I was amused to see them talking to each other in the threads discussing astro stuff. Though I don't post much, I'm here almost everyday so I "know" the Knowflakes well, just like I would know very well the characters of a daily soap I'm following. LOL. Actually, I was meaning to post a comment to say I'm pleased that they seem to have let go of the past. Unfortunately, my laziness took over.

Lara, it's just words. Why should you get hurt if it's not true? Come onnnn. You of all people should know that what other people think of you should be none of your business. Btw, I felt compelled to share this with you (and Diana). It's from Neale Donald Walsch's daily message:

quote:
"On this day of your life, I believe God wants you to know...
....that the opposite of a correct statement is a false
statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may
well be another profound truth.

Niels Bohr said that, and he was right. In fact, there
have been few statements in the history of statement-
making that were more accurate than that one. So be
aware and stay awake! The Law of Opposites
sometimes leads you to a Divine Dichotomy.

Two opposing truths can exist simultaneously in the
same space. Do not therefore assume that That Which
Opposes You is That Which Is Not Good For You.
It may be just the reverse."


And Diana? How can I not like someone from whose mouth come gems such as "dick with a halo"? OMG, soooo effing hilarious.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted March 09, 2010 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Hi LEXX ... wonderful quote

"...dick with a halo"
Yeah, I saw that and almost spat out my soup LOL.

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vapor-lash
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posted March 09, 2010 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Lara - sorry to see this thread (you're both fiery so words can fly back and forth) - I think Gypsee and Teasel are right.. You could take a break and come back later. I think that's a better idea.. I mean I know you like LL.. and you like astrology and chatting to people on here .. so why leave?

About the negative vibes, I strongly doubt Dianna would send those your way. She does not seem like someone who would focus negatively on someone else.

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wheels of cheese
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posted March 09, 2010 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Awww, I thought I was the board b!tch.

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katatonic
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posted March 09, 2010 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
you'll have to get in line, wheels, sorry!

i seem to have missed another fight!! can't find the thread in question.

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wheels of cheese
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posted March 09, 2010 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Swirrl-Kitt's thread on astro about her association with a disease spreading, ignorant, foul toad of a human being. Bet she won't do that again in a hurry. Good reminder for all of us really. *shivers*

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Happy Dragon
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posted March 09, 2010 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
*** i seem to have missed another fight!! can't find the thread in question. ***
me too .. can't find current dispute .. :-( .. wonder if it's just another internet misunderstanding ..

Lara .. you do have a transit on at the moment that could leave you feeling 'wounded' ..
( t.saturn in libra opposite natal chiron .. 'n t.venus is conjunct natal chiron ..
( and t.bm. lillith is starting to square your natal mars/bm.lillith conjunction .. i.e. potential anger in that one ..

i.e. t.bm.lillith is starting to activate your natal mars-bm.lillith opposite neptune aspect
( forming a temp. t-square )

'n with any 'opposition' aspect .. the effect can seem to manifest via 'others' ..

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i had a bit of a weird lillithian 'inner' experience recently when she conjoined my vertex in 8th house ..

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Happy Dragon
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posted March 09, 2010 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
mmmmmm .. just read thru that interaction ..

why is it that women fight so much ????

yeah the abject narcissim at lindaland ..
huge turn off ..

be like walking on eggshells around this site ..
sure has driven me away from sharing/posting astro info ..
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btw Lara .. it'll be 2016 when t.pluto squares up to natal
saturn ..
( i've not seen your chart with asc/mc )
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suggestion .. maybe have a close read regarding saturn in aries ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/aries.saturn.html ~

" At the opposite end of the spectrum the more aggressive manifestation of Saturn in the first house often appears, and this individual may be at first glance rarely distinguishable from the truly fiery type of temperament. No one is more outgoing than he is, no one more prepared to take charge or seize control of a situation either through sheer force or more subtle calculation. His philosophy is that the best defence is offence because it has not yet occurred to him that it is possible to control oneself without the necessity of controlling everybody else as well. On closer expression this kind of individual is often found to be as shy and awkward as his more self-effacing brother. He may find it as difficult to participate fully in life and to experience the sense of richness and fullness which is so characteristic of the fiery personality."

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Lara
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posted March 09, 2010 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Happy Dragon
my Saturn is in the 12th house though... do you have a similar link for that interpretation please?
Venus is on my Chiron and saturn is opposing - good point!
I'm not coming back for a while.

I just think it's nasty for someone to say "you are gonna pay when pluto gets to you" and they are happy to watch someone else suffer.
None of you kinda see that though, which is interesting. I can sniff out bitter and manipulation a mile off. I am wounded by this - i'm wounded by the thought that someone can wish me ill health and evilness in my life. Believing in the 'evil eye' i feel quite punched in the stomach by this.

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Valus
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posted March 09, 2010 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

teasel,
Gypsee,
MVM,

Deux --
The thing is, we are not characters on a soap opera. For some of us, the interractions that go on here, and the people we interract with, are all very real. We are connected to one another in the depths of our unconscious, -- in what Jung called "the collective unconscious", -- and we are receptive, through empathy and imagination, to this connection. At times, we are even aware of ourselves as fragmented beings, capable of reflecting only a fraction of the truth we aim towards. For those of us who feel this way, it is not easy to detach from the perspectives, emotions, and experiences of the people with whom we come into contact, and to take refuge in our personal convictions. So human are we -- perhaps, too human -- that we cannot help but take part in the common life of humanity. We share her joys and sufferings, and when a person opposes us, we sharply feel the sting of it; for we identify with our "opponent" only slightly less than with ourselves.

The quote from Neale Donald Walsh seems to affirm the value of that perspective which only superficially opposes us, but which, at a deeper level, reflects our own truth. But you seem to contradict it when you say that what other people think should be none of our business. I agree, only in the sense that, we should pay closer attention to the meaning of our own reactions to the words of others, than to their words; -- since their words are often far from us, but our reactions are always well within our ken. But, then, our reactions can only be regarded in relation to how the words of another appear to us. So, if we are to consider ourselves, we must consider our neighbor.

This is, perhaps, the deepest mystery of our condition -- that our personal egos reflect our consciousness, and the boundaries of our personal egos reflect the boundaries of our consciousness. The lives of others, in a very real way (namely, for us), take place within our unconscious minds. So, to be intimately related to others is, at the same time, to be intimately related with oneself, or one's unconscious mind; a dynamic process involving the continual revelation, awakening, or coming into consciousness, of unconscious material. The other provides this mirror into our unconscious, and, particularly, the ones who emotionally affect us, by relating to the same objects of consciousness to which we relate, but from a perspective which opposes our own. We are linked to the people who consider the same questions we consider, to whom the same things are important, -- for very different, or for only apparently different, reasons.


wheels --

"a disease-spreading, ignorant,
foul toad of a human being"

I can't argue with the first two appellations,
but the second offends me for two reasons:

1. Toads are not that foul
(what's a toad ever done to you?)

2. We should endeavor not to dehumanize people,
which happens when we identify them with their shortcomings.

The second point is worth some words of exposition.

According to the teachings of certain monks (some reportedly possessing miraculous powers), human beings are innocent in their true nature, which is "Christ", but are assailed by innumerable thoughtforms, called logismoi, which routinely lead us astray. They say that it is very dangerous to atribute the evil to the human being, which is what we do when we judge. We must, they say, endeavor to see the Christ within the other, and to see them as afflicted and possessed. If there is responsibility, it is our own responsibility to become Christlike, so as to be capable of casting out the devils that afflict and possess ourselves and others.

According to these monks, there is a certain stage which only the most advanced souls experience, wherein one's karma, for better or worse, is reflected back at a rapid rate. Some traditions refer to this as "instant karma". Allegedly, what happens at this stage is that, whenever you judge another person, for any reason, the logismoi afflicting that person begin to afflict you -- sometimes instead of afflicting them, and sometimes in addition to afflicting them. They say that this occurs in order to teach the soul humility with respect to its own condition, and compassion with respect to the condition of the other. It's something I've been thinking about for a little while now.


Lara --

Transiting Mars Retrograde has been,
and will continue to be, opposing my Moon,
exactly, for a number of days.
T.Mars is in my 7th, in Placidus,
and my 8th, in Whole Signs.
So I'm feeling this.

I have very little to say about it, though,
because its all been said by other posters.

One thought I've been having though,
which might hold some interest for you...

Coffee is a harder drug than marijuana.

Most people don't know (and never think about) this, but the effects of coffee upon the central nervous system are profound, and when an entire culture embraces a drug like this, the effects upon mass psychology are considerable. Drugs alter brain-chemistry, and frequent use of specific drugs results in the imprinting of specific neurochemical pathways in the brain. The attitudes and/or behaviors a drug promotes in the individuals who use it, can, ultimately, manifest on a grand scale in the cultures composed of those individuals -- provided a large enough percent of the population partakes of the drug. I think there are certain attitudes and behaviors in our culture which are strongly promoted by the popular consumption of coffee.

Namely, it tends to make a person more aggressive and responsive to slights, or perceived slights. It has a kind of neurotic momentum to it, which often propels people to vent hurtful judgements, or opinions couched in hurtful, judgemental language, which they might otherwise second-guess in themselves. It has a "busy" energy about it, which seems to lend itself very easily to busy-work, and to a kind of brusque, unsympathetic, and uncompromising attitude. Relaxation is not on the agenda. Rather, the injunction is to "speak up", "don't mince words", "get to the point", and "be quick about it". All forms of reflection are regarded, from this perspective, as regressive tendencies. Everything has been thought of, all has been decided, now get to work! And if you don't know what you should be working on, follow orders!

This is, of course, a somewhat exaggerated account, -- but, then, just as it is sometimes necessary to use a microscope to enlarge the image of a dangerous microorganism, it is sometimes necessary to use hyperbole to examine the less obvious, but no less profound, factors in our larger environment.

I hope this little rant wasn't completely useless and irrelevant.

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wheels of cheese
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posted March 09, 2010 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Oh for crying out loud Valus.

*out of here*

Actually, have a watch of this and get a sense of humour while you're at it, you annoying, irritating pedant. A toad looked at me wrong once, and I was in psychotherapy for years. Wanna make something of it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7X_xmhPbW4&feature=PlayList&p=1D76FFEAE2108854&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

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Valus
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posted March 09, 2010 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
"you are gonna pay when pluto gets to you"

This may or may not suggest pleasure;
at your discomfort, or at your chastening --
that is, your (rude) awakening.

It may be a well-intentioned Warning.

Whether or not you are in need of it,
is a question I wont enter into here.

I would do better to discuss some general
principles connected with The Law of Karma.

Conventional conceptions of The Law of Karma often mislead people into sanctioning judgmental attitudes which they otherwise would not. We imagine that people deserve what they get, but this is a perversion of the Law. In the West, The Law of Karma, traditionally an Eastern teaching, was fractured and manifested in the division between of The Law of Moses, as preached in the Old Testament, and The Law of Grace, as preached by Christ. Jesus said, "I did not come to overthrow the Law, but to fulfill it," and this is a clue to the real meaning of Karma. The Law of Moses had been interpreted as saying that men deserve, and are to be credited or blamed for, their outward condition, as a just result of their former actions. But Jesus announced a law concerning the innermost part of the soul. Grace, he proclaimed, and not judgment, is the birthright of all souls, and only grace fulfills (and transcends) the Law of Moses. The notion that karmic consequences are either rewards or punishments is a false one. It is true that they serve to teach us what is "desired by God", -- that is, what is right. But it does not follow that we deserve what we get. A child who fails a test does not deserve the "F", or the stigma that generally comes with it, though this may be necessary for instruction. The child receives an "F", and is "held back", not because the child is worthy of blame, but, because an "A" cannot result from a wrong answer, and a child cannot advance without giving a correct answer. The teacher who scolds a pupil for doing poorly, and smiles upon a pupil for doing well, misunderstands her occupation. Christ said, "I came to bring the sinners to repentance... the righteous already have their reward,". What this means is that the child who does poorly requires and deserves more of the teacher's attention, while the child who does well requires and deserves nothing; that is, nothing more (or less) than the karmic consequences of having done well.

In other words, "The squeaky wheel gets the grace."

Suffice to say, we tend to misunderstand Karma,
and to align ourselves with The Law of Moses,
rather than the Law of Grace, as espoused by Christ.


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posted March 09, 2010 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
I don't get it, when people have obviously said some pretty hurtful things themselves and then go off on a tangent about how THEY were hurt by something another person said in response.

Honestly, sometimes it just takes stopping, taking a breath and re-reading our own words. If you stand by what you say, fair enough, expect responses that may not be completely positive.

This is life, everyone is not always going to think we shart roses.

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posted March 09, 2010 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

wheels,

Is that your reaction
to the highest wisdom?

Or have I failed
to do it justice?


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posted March 09, 2010 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Are you the highest wisdom now? I guess I missed that memo.

Look, just leave me alone, kay? Up to and including suggestions for where my words are inappropriate. You just do my head in.

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posted March 09, 2010 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
~ Lara ~
this is the 12th house 'n saturn in pisces file ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/sat.pisces.html ~

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posted March 09, 2010 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

LOL, ghani,

It sounds as if you expect
things to run logically?

We are human.

We exhibit our best,
our worst, and our best again.

What hypocrites we are!

Perhaps, whatever we may have done to provoke an assault,
we would do better NOW to express our hurt, than to snap back?

But I hear you.

It doesn't make sense.

Perhaps we'd better not expect it to?

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posted March 09, 2010 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

wheels,

quote:
Are you the highest wisdom now? I guess I missed that memo.

As you can see, I didnt make that claim.

I "humbly" reported the teachings of others;
apparent saints.

And even asked you if I failed in representing them.

quote:
Look, just leave me alone, kay? Up to and including suggestions for where my words are inappropriate. You just do my head in.

I'll leave you and your head alone.

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