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LEXX
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posted January 05, 2010 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Many people love to make fun of and get big giggly ha ha jollies out of making fun of folks,
for many things...
Unattractiveness
Dyslexia
Stuttering
people in pain
embarrassing/humiliating people (even putting it on YouTube)
making fun of physical appearances
Adult diapers and so forth
Vision problems
Old age
And the list goes on....
It is very common and society sees it as comedy entertainment too.
Humans are too often cruel and heartless when it comes to each other.

Why?

PS. Whilst growing up I was called Miss Magoo, vision being about 20/3,000.
Called Quasimodo, being hunchbacked.
And worse.
Childhood and teen years were not pleasant.
I had hoped becoming an adult, that things would change.
Nope.
Even more ridicule and all from adults.

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posted January 05, 2010 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
LEXX - I know exactly what you mean. It's absolutely disgusting to me. I was in the "funny" section of youtube, expecting to find funny videos - about a month ago.. and I found a video that was aimed at a handicapped girl (making fun of her).

It made me sick.

Some people are just disgusting or too immature to realize what someone else may be going through

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posted January 05, 2010 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
vapor-lash...
Bless you for understanding.

Edit to add:
You are so right here:

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Some people are just disgusting or too immature to realize what someone else may be going through

Such unkindness can drive afflicted folks into deep depression and even suicide, or suicidal thinking.


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posted January 05, 2010 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
A group of frogs were traveling through the woods, and two of them
fell into a deep pit. When the other frogs saw how deep the pit
was, they told the two frogs that they were as good as dead. The
two frogs ignored the comments and tried to jump up out of the pit
with all their might. The other frogs kept telling them to stop,
that they were as good as dead. Finally, one of the frogs took
heed to what the other frogs were saying and gave up. He fell down
and died.

The other frog continued to jump as hard as he could. Once again,
the crowd of frogs yelled at him to stop the pain and just die. He
jumped even harder and finally made it out. When he got out, the
other frogs said, "Did you not hear us?" The frog explained to
them that he was deaf. He thought they were encouraging him the
entire time.

This story teaches two lessons:

1. There is power of life and death in the tongue. An encouraging
word to someone who is down can lift them up and help them make it
through the day.

2. A destructive word to someone who is down can be what it takes
to kill them.

Be careful of what you say. Speak life to those who cross your
path. The power of words... it is sometimes hard to understand
that an encouraging word can go such a long way. Anyone can speak
words that tend to rob another of the spirit to continue in
difficult times. Special is the individual who will take the time
to encourage another.



http://www.indianchild.com/two_frogs.htm

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posted January 05, 2010 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
lEXX - I think this kind of behaviour brings a lot of negative karma with it - mainly if it affects the person to the point where they self-harm or commit suicide.

Bullying can cause that ^ -- even in cases where the bullied person does not have an actual handicap or illness.

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posted January 05, 2010 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you T.

I too went to YouTube looking for somethings to cheer me up.
All it did for the most part was to push me down deeper into depression.
Seems I (and others similarly afflicted) represent perfect choices to get fodder to make fun of and jokes about.
I feel shy about myself and do not want to go in public, even on the rare times I am physically able.
I began offline to try to make friends with folks who have handicaps.
Sadly and to my utter shock...
even they make big ha ha about things they do not have or are.
I thought they of all people would be more compassionate of others.
Nope.


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posted January 05, 2010 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
vapor-lash...
That frog fable was absolutely so true.
Thank you for posting it!

And yes, bullying even the unaffected can drive them to depression and or suicide.
Sadly I have known of such. It is so so very sad.
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posted January 05, 2010 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
This might give you a smile. ( i wish they put music to it though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW-mullci3s

Thank God for animals. People don't often make sense.

Lots of love to you Lexx.

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posted January 05, 2010 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
T.
Thank you!
My three cats do that too!
I will film them when
I can get a camcorder.
Lots of love to you too T!
Yes, My cats bring me so much love and joy!
One of them will not leave me when I am bed bound in pain.
He will lay his little cat "hands" on me and purr and snuggle, often looking at me with a very un-cat like look of adoration and love. He will go without eating or moving about (sometimes several hours!) until I get up to use the bathroom, and then hop right back in bed when I lay down again.


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posted January 05, 2010 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
What a sweety!! I've got one that has adopted me.
At night sometimes she likes to wake me up purring, putting her nose in my ear or up to my face. The other night I gave her a pretty good whack in the nose, while half asleep (on accident) when I thought her whiskers were a spider crawling on me. lol oops.

Anyway, glad to hear youve got some felines around to give you love and keep you company at least. Hopefully things start to turn around very soon.

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posted January 06, 2010 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
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Unattractiveness
Dyslexia
Stuttering

I knew I would see the word dyslexia appear after I stared the Dogzlaa thread

I'm virtually all of the above on many occassions.

My partner always laughs at the way I mix my words up.

I even make jokes about my scars left over from my facial injury. Hey, why not! I'll definitely be dead within 40 years so I'm leaving laughing.....

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posted January 06, 2010 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I presume lack of imagination and/or maturity (especially given that the "wit" displayed in doing so is usually pretty juvenile, too), but I don't really know. And as for posting humiliating stuff, I figure if someone would do that to anyone, they'd do it to me and/or someone I care about. That is, the shame SHOULD belong to the one who made it public, and I certainly hold it against the one making it public, but apparently it's not for a great many others. Perhaps most people operate under the delusion that "it can't happen to me."

And such insensitivity or meanness actually gets even worse than that. For example, I know someone who was raped so brutally that she had to be sewed back together, and anyone who looked at her knew she'd been brutalized (black & blue all over, needing major medical intervention to fix her appearances) and when she went to her dentist yet again to continue to have her teeth fixed from her dental injuries of the rape, the dentist thought he was being funny as he jovially said (also in front of everyone in the waiting room) something along the lines of, "Been raped anymore lately?"

I honestly wonder if the dentist would've been that clueless to say that if she'd had her big brother there with her or someone else who could've shoved his foot up his butt? Or more to the point, I wonder if he was as clueless as he pretended to be on why that was offensive, or if he KNEW he was being cruel. (She wouldn't have anything more to do with that dentist.)

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posted January 06, 2010 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Cynthia Lennon wrote about John ridiculing the handicapped she said it was because he was scared of them. So fear is one reason, I would say. That and emotional immaturity. Plus some people are a bit sick, they had their feelings crushed out of them long ago and they work on a dog eat dog principle that denies them the chance of feeling full-blown compassion for anyone else.

On the other side of the street sometimes offence is taken where none is meant (and I have come across people who strike me as being pathologically humourless). But I have to balance the Scales, I am Libran Moon.

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posted January 06, 2010 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Healing light to you Lexx.

There has been a couple of horrific stories in Britain about abuse to people with disabilities. There was one in a city near me where the family put up their own CCTV camera because the police weren't doing anything about repeated attacks. The CCTV footage showed every car window being smashed, and that wasn't the first time. It was only that incident that was formally documented as a "hate crime". It was an old lady and her daughter, they had an adapted car. I think it's worrying. I also think the disability discrimination act is not taken very seriously here.

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posted January 06, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i don't know if this is any help but i think what yall are talking about is an extension of what we ALL go through especially in grade and high school, and it is mostly down to people feeling insecure about their own selves!

while it is certainly CRUELER to mock those with real afflictions i am pretty sure MOST of us were subjected to the humiliating kind of humour LEXX is talking about in the op...i am a pretty normal person, neither ugly nor knockdown gorgeous, no handicaps; however i was born with a white stripe in my hair and as a child i was always "sturdy" - i am built that way, though actually fairly petite i will never be as narrow as a model no matter how little flesh covers me, and as a child i was strong and solid. i got called "kate smith" (some of you will remember her), "mack truck", flicka (ditto), skunk, badger, and at 13 when it really hurt one of my "good friends" turned on me in public and called me a "bowling pin" just to keep in with the "cool" ones who thought me uncool.

i was kicked out of my first band because i have steadfastly refused to try to "fit in" all my life, even when "fitting in" demanded being a rebel...

without minimizing the harm done to people who already have two full platesful of challenges, i just wanted to say i know how you feel, and pretty much everyone is subjected to similar treatment whatever "package" they come in! and for the SUPER gorgeous, there is much paranoia about whether people actually like them for anything but their beauty...

and most of it is down to FEAR of the unusual, fear of "that" happening to them (the perps) - and the jokes are more in the order of the nervous laughter we have all experienced taken to a belligerent level.

there is no excuse, and acting out of such impulses needs punishment - but maybe a little forgiveness and understanding that we all have to rise above this petty-mindedness in some part of our lives can make it easier to do so...

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posted January 07, 2010 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
LEXX you shouldnt listen to the superficial stupidly worded phrases and puns people say about you or others. quite fracially there just jealous and hateful with manners.

you should not worry about whats others tihnk of you. just as long as your think your an ok person then thats what you are an ok person.

i have been teased as well not much now. but i know how it feels and its not so great.

i have seen a picture of you which you poseted and you look good. and your younger days days you looked beautiful. dont let unimporatnat superfical mindless people make you feel just like they do. because its not worth it. their not worth it.

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posted January 07, 2010 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Here's a mind expander..............

Do some people that are challenged in life discriminate against those with less obvious challenges?

Everyone has challenges.

Women
People with myopia
Men with low income
Men who are short
Vegans
People with addiction to smoking
People with uneven hips
Children without clean water
People living in a legislative dominated culture
Those that don't kill spiders (the emotional turmoil one goes through when someone else kills a spider)

Describing people as narrow-minded and juvenile is 'name-calling'.

Preventing people from laughing at their own challenges is a form of control.

Life is ironic. We are all trapped somewhere. Some of us are more aware of this than others.

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posted January 07, 2010 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
This is responding to how the thread appeared immediately after my thread.

I'm being honest here. If there was a problem, why not just tell me, if you felt uncomfortable, rather than throwing the word "dyslexia" in with old-age, pain, illness, etc.....

I know a jab when I see one

Jabbing could attract bad Karma

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posted January 07, 2010 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
This may be a tricky one to understand, but I'm sure some will 'get it'.

Polo C directed a comment personally at me, I responded.

Your thread was created as a result of my thread and you have a right to do so of course. But still, your thread is linked to mine by thought and philosophy.

Had I not responded to you, I would be discriminating against Polo C.

A principle has many faces.

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posted January 07, 2010 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
like i said, everyone has something someone will pick on. too sad that it seems to be a universal failing of the human race but "what doesn't kill you..." right??

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posted January 08, 2010 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
koiflower
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My partner always laughs at the way I mix my words up.

I even make jokes about my scars left over from my facial injury. Hey, why not! I'll definitely be dead within 40 years so I'm leaving laughing.....


Now that is truly sad. And are you really laughing or holding back the pain?
What an awful way to treat someone.
I'd dump such a person.
In fact I have!
As for my thread....
It was not a jab at you.
The timing was what got to me. And actually it began not here but at MySpace.
I am having a very hard time right now with those issues and the dr is having trouble correcting my vision.
I really just wanted to know why society has always found such things so amusing.
As to laughing at oneself...
well I have done that for decades.
However deep inside it hurt.
Once I wrote a suicide note(didn't go through with it obviously)something like this highly abbreviated version:
"They call me troll,
I laugh.
They call me fat freak.
I laugh.
They call me coke bottle or Magoo.
I laugh.
They say I am such a fun funny person!
Always laughing!
And how funny I dress, with duck taped shoes
and bread bags and socks for gloves.
Just like "Pig".
Well Pig later as an adult, killed himself.
He was crying on the inside for too many years. One too many "hey Pig! Oink oink! Ha ha ha!
Everyone thought he was just such a good natured jolly fat guy!
I am 18 now.
I am hurting but they keep laughing at me.
Maybe Tom (Pig) was right."

Well I had just suffered a breakdown and was hospitalized for about a month, and on suicide watch.
Except for when my pets died, I really had never cried until I was eighteen. Even when beaten bloody as a child, no crying.
I laughed. Always laughing.
Class clown too! Thought if I made them laugh they would love me. Nope. Joke was on me.
So at eighteen I flipped! Not going into the details of that right now.
Yes, I learned to finally cry.
But almost all the laughing stopped.
It was not happiness laughing anyhow.
A few months later I was struck by a car and suffered permanent injury.
Betwixt both those events my view of things changed....for a few months.
Then I got caught in the spiral down again.
A few more near suicidal times.
It was not until I hit age 42 that I began to love and accept myself.
I am fine. No, I am not perfect, but I like me.
I know there are still folks making fun of me and others. There always will be.
There is nothing I can do about that.

However again, I just wonder why folks make unkind fun of others, and how it is even seen as comedy.

As to my pictures...LOL!
Very very very carefully posed. Not really how I looked/look. Not photogenic at all.

Again, I was simply wondering why joking about illness and other physical woes, concerns, is seen by society as fodder for comedy.
Even such as "blond jokes".
I often feel sad for blonds. It just seems rather cruel.

I am not perfect.
I know I have laughed at times too at things I should not have....that society finds comedic.
However when I catch myself I feel shame and remorse, and endeavor to be more mindful of what "funny" is.
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posted January 08, 2010 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
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Now that is truly sad. And are you really laughing or holding back the pain?

My partner laughs and it doesn't bother me. In fact, I wonder how on earth do I mix up my words!!! I don't do it at work, only home. But then again, if I'm really self-conscious at work and think "Uh oh, I'm going to stumble", my words freeze and I can't find the words to say. My voice box also does a weird thing, by squeaking......

BUT amazingly (going off-track), I think my voice is connected to a pressure point in my shoulder which is connected to a calcium deficiency which is connected to a lack of the musical note E!!! (Info connections made by visiting Uni-versal Codes).

I could tie forgetting my words into childhood trauma. But who knows, I don't really dwell on it. And it doesn't happen on a daily basis.

My nose is bent and my smile is impaired, but I still walk around like I'm a diamond making most of the time I have left here on Earth.

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posted January 08, 2010 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
That's sad about your friend and yourself. Yep, there are nasty people who say dumb-ass things at people and there are those that make a slip (possibly me).

Comedy has changed over the last few decades. I'm sure you have noticed that too. On "Ellen" today, Ellen cracked a joke about North Korea. Some people would find the irony in this, while others would be offended.

The question to ask, is what platform are they standing on?

Ellen's joke could be assumed to be aimed at the rigid politics of North Korea and their lack on interaction with the outside world.

Ellen's joke could offend those that feel compassionate toward the common people who live under the regime.

"Weekend at Bernie's" made me laugh so much, but we could get offended by the lack of respect toward deceased people.

I never give up on comedy. Some is funny, some is not. As long as it's totally MAD

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