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juniperb
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posted April 26, 2009 04:34 AM
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Here we go again?
The Great Swine Flu Massacre http://www.whale.to/vaccine/swine.html

The Flu Vaccine Racket http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flu.html

Vitamin D http://www.whale.to/a/vitamin_d.html

I hadnt been born yet and didnt realize we had a swine flu fiasco before.

Home: http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html


---Swine Flu Expose---
by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.

1977
(Book in one document) http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html
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Chapter 1

Swine Flu--Another Medically-made Epidemic
Preface
$5,000,000 law suit filed against flu promoters for causing paralysis
Swine flu vaccine tests prove unsafe
No swine flu epidemic
All vaccines are poison
Ford the puppet
Vaccines can trigger heart attack
80% of all medical doctors are unfit
Drugs cannot cure
Vaccine promoters try to dodge the blame
A few congressmen blast the swine flu hoax
How to punish the culprits
Law suits against the vaccine promoters
American medical Association has been outlawed
New Anti-trust suit against the chiropractors
2,000,000 doses of defective swine flu vaccine condemned
Many fake findings by scientists seen
Swine flu promoters tried to con the swine raisers
President Coolidge unswayed by medical pressure
God give us men
What our leaders should have checked on before throwing us to the killer (vaccine) sharks
Question that should have been answered before considering any vaccination drive
Death count may never be known
Who pockets the money?
Compulsory army vaccinations are unconstitutional
How will our new President Carter handle the swine flu swindle?
Fluoridated tooth paste dangerous
A better campaign

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Chapter 2

The Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations

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Chapter 3

Anti-Typhoid vaccine causes a worse disease which the doctors name paratyphoid
Typhoid is not contagious
The soldiers were killed by the treatment
"Typhoid Mary" was never a carrier

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Chapter 4

Medically-made epidemics--court cases
Court cases of smallpx epidemics declared when there was no smallpox
Another medically-made epidemic in Pittsburgh in 1924
Polio vaccine expose blocked by AMA

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Chapter 5

Falsified death certificates and medical records
Honest medical reports rejected
A doctors answer to a serum death
Health board accused
Reluctant admission by doctor
Doctors ordered to falsify smallpox records
Can medical statistics be relied on?
The medically manipulated figures
Falsifying death certificates--a prison offense
Punishment for felony
Chapter 6 Let's stop the fluoride water poisoners
False claims of the fluoridationists
False claims refuted
The challenge
Is natural fluoride safe?
Findings linking cancer to fluoridation create impact in Great Britain
The experiment
The water poisoners of Los Angeles
Should our politicians prescribe medicine for the public?
Higher cancer rate in fluoridated cities

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In history
The Swine Flu Fiasco http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos13.html

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posted April 26, 2009 04:45 AM
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How long before they wipe this website out too?
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Swine Flu Emergency Caused By New Variant of Old Bug (Update2)
Swine Flu & the Economy

"I say this: If, and that's a big "if," this SuperFlu gains a foothold, either in the imagination or in the population, it will exacerbate economic problems at least five-fold. Some businesses will thrive; many will suffer a little, and certain ones will bear the brunt of the impact.

Let the flaming commence...what do you think?"


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posted April 26, 2009 05:16 AM
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Get yourself some Grapefruit Seed Extract everyone !
(while you still legally can!) http://www.pureliquidgold.com/
http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html


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posted April 26, 2009 11:06 AM
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I commented on two different mainstream media news websites articles on this story. Both were deleted a few hours later.
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katatonic
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posted April 26, 2009 11:21 AM
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thanks, T. my sentiments exactly. we had this just the other year, during bush's term, where vaccinations were being urged on us for something (can't even remember what it was now!).
my grandson is just recovering from a condition caused by immune system malfunction as a result,it is thought (by his doctors) of vaccine overload, particularly the live ones; he was given a "booster" round at 4 of so many vaccines his system was thrown for a loop and started destroying blood cells!! flu vaccine is a famously unstable live one too.

i will avoid ALL vaccinations, not just swine flu.

and by the way, a couple i know, he is half mexican and raised there, are furious at the publicity being stirred up about mexico at this time. not only is the violence VASTLY overblown, but this flu thing too...and it is having a terrible effect on their tourist trade, obviously a hefty portion of people's incomes in a place where the weather is famously gorgeous...actually most countries in the world depend on their tourism as a major revenue source.

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posted April 26, 2009 11:36 AM
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Sorry to hear about your grandson kat.
There's a lot i dont like about all of this....will be watching closely...and avoiding vaccinations too.

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juniperb
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posted April 26, 2009 11:39 AM
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Good catch T !
If it is so overblown, I wonder why the Mexican President issued the emergency?


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Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a swine-flu emergency, giving him powers to order quarantines and suspend public events in the nation, where 1,324 patients are hospitalized with flu-like symptoms.
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Either way, it is shades of past flu`s and a pandemic has been a ticking time bomb for eons

Man made or not, I`d say take the precautions as for any flu outbreak and I will go read up on GSE .

BTW, by precautions, I don`t include vaccines either. Unfortunately, I see the flu as the lesser of the two evils too.

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posted April 26, 2009 11:58 AM
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Either way, it is shades of past flu`s and a pandemic has been a ticking time bomb for eons
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Yeah, that's what i hear.

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BTW, by precautions, I don`t include vaccines either. Unfortunately, I see the flu as the lesser of the two evils too.
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I'm right there with you.


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katatonic
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posted April 26, 2009 12:26 PM
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i don't know why the mexican president has declared an emergency, though it COULD be to strengthen his case for aid???ie moolah!~
i will sooner trust my immune system than anything the medics come up with for flu!! since i stopped taking medicine i have gotten stronger and stronger. now, polio, smallpox MIGHT be different matters. but people survived those before vaccines too.

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posted April 26, 2009 12:36 PM
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Same here kat.
Could this be what all of those Rubbermaid type "FEMA coffins" are for? 500,000 of them...

SunChild posted something recently that led me to the actual footage of them on youtube. And I remember her posting a thread on them awhile back that I just found. The thought has been crossing my mind since this morning. I'm not in fear-mode, just suspicious...
makes one wonder. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000464.html


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posted April 26, 2009 12:47 PM
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Mannu should be coming along any moment now to heckle me.
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posted April 26, 2009 02:11 PM
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latest:

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"As we continue to look for cases, we are going to see a broader spectrum of disease," predicted Dr. Richard Besser, acting chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We're going to see more severe disease in this country."
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hU87LUswYzY9TXU9bB5cXfoBUMXQD97Q9RF80

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A public health emergency has been declared in the U.S. to free up resources to deal with the swine flu, Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said at a White House briefing today.
No official travel advisories have been issued by the U.S. State Department in relation to the disease, Napolitano said. A follow-on flu outbreak is possible in several months, she said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axGKQENccy7U&refer=home[/QUOTE]

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katatonic
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posted April 26, 2009 02:20 PM
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yup sounds like a good excuse to "free up resources" ie cash in...
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posted April 26, 2009 02:30 PM
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Yeah, kat. Can you believe how quickly this is all happening too?
Been browsing the site more.....

Oseltamivir (Tamiflu ) http://www.whale.to/a/tamiflu_h.html


Fear: The Master Control Programme http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy6.html

Medical fear ploys (these are all links with more info at the site)

"Highly infectious"
Hype Disease risk
Intimidation
The Disease Protection Racket
Fear of Quacks

Foreign viruses
One plane ride away'

Virus fear & cash cows

Spanish Flu
SARS quotes
Bird Flu
HIV
Foot and mouth (FMD)
Fear mongering 'experts'
Professor Hugh Pennington
Professor Colin Blakemore
Dr. Patrick Dixon
Anderson

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Medical (Allopathic) Mind Control
[back] Allopathy Mind Control quotes

"Information control is mind control."--Dick Sutphen http://www.whale.to/m/map.html


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Happy Dragon
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posted April 26, 2009 02:54 PM
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the www.whale.to site was interesting ..
would like to hear what medical experts would say about the contents
and find out what the period records from france and britain might show ..
" World 'well prepared' for virus "
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/8019566.stm ~
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/talking_point/8018428.stm ~

regarding the 1918 flu ..
there was a tv documentary here about it ..
shown sometime after scientists went to russia to dig up old graves ..
i.e. to see if the virus genes had survived freezing .. and try to study it ..
from what i remember of the docu. ..
the virus originated ( they think ) on a farm in france that was close to a military field hospital ..
and .. the main fatalities were young healthy adults .. for the most part ..
they also reckon the reason for that was 'cause the virus had the capability
to turn the human immune system against the body ..
i.e. it was the immune system that caused fatalities ..
( i could imagine that if that happened all sorts of disease symptoms could show up )
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back to the 'whale.to' 'cause i only skimmed thru it ..

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juniperb
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posted April 26, 2009 02:58 PM
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I took this off of one of T`s links

Actually, when you think about it, is is more crying material than laughing.

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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katatonic
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posted April 26, 2009 03:01 PM
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and since you mention dick sutphen his site is a great resource for the various ways we are conditioned to be mind-controlled on a daily basis...if only for commercial purposes. as someone whose livelihood is hypnosis and its techniques, he is VERY well-informed on the subject.
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WHO`s Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response (EPR) link. http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html
Updates as new info arises. Or as they wish us to "think" it arises


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posted April 26, 2009 04:27 PM
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Juni, I sadly laughed at that cartoon too.
Thanks for the link.
HD, this came to mind when you asked what medical experts might say about the contents - i read it earlier:


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"Doctors essentially believe the pro-vaccine propaganda and just keep repeating it like a mantra without looking at the facts."Peter Morrell
In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and realized, or believed, that he had been brainwashed. Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" . . . or have been transformed in miraculous ways. The Battle for Your Mind: Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public By Dick Sutphen


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(scroll down just past the big box of content to find it) http://www.whale.to/m/map.html


Will have to look into this Sutphen guy....

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posted April 26, 2009 04:35 PM
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How does Dr. Richard Besser, acting chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, know "We're going to see more severe disease in this country." ? When I keep reading that officials say they just don't know what to expect with this ( )....he sounds pretty sure of himself. Maybe he knows what Janet Napolitano was speaking about above, another outbreak happening several months from now....
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Happy Dragon
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posted April 26, 2009 05:38 PM
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** HD, this came to mind .. etc ..**
cheers ..

read thru most of the 'brainwashing' techniques ..

" The "voice roll" technique used by preachers, lawyers and hypnotists "
yeah i know what's meant by the voice roll .. ( and much of the other stuff in that article )
i turn right OFF when i hear it ..
i.e has the opposite effect on me ..
( it's like .. 'stop trying to manipulate me you smooth mouthed 'attempting-to-button-push' ba*tard' .. )

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there's one advert on radio here ..
some very 'smooth mouthed manipulator' with an american accent trying to sell Jeeps ..
well .. now .. every time i see a 'Jeep' i feel sick ..
you want to sell me THAT thing .. terrible paint jobs .. naff crappola cheap looking chrome ..
don't know what happened to american cars these days .. the paint jobs are awful ..
cheap plastic look about them .. ( maybe its just the ones i see here )
anyhow .. all due to that twats smoothee voice .. i wouldn't have a jeep if it was given to me ..
( i think it;s the same guy who made a certain brand of electric shaver famous ..
( can't remember his name off hand .. .. maybe it's not the guy i'm thinking of .. but sounds like him
maybe that's reverse brainwashing in my case :-))
.. i turn off all ads on the radio and tv .. 'cause they irritate me so much ..

had some evangelist preachers doing their thing in the local town centre ..
i.e. shouting-preaching at passers by ..
i got fairly angry and started yelling back at them what i thought about
past murderous acts committed by mobs worked up by the 'preaching' lot ..
most folks passed by without taking any notice ..
more or less indicating that the evangelists were a noisy nuisance ..
police finaly sauntered on over and .. er .. moved them out of town ..

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posted April 26, 2009 05:46 PM
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i think the brainwashing thing is very relevant. it isn't necessarily malevolent that they EXPECT things to happen, just the party line. some people don't even think to think outside the box in the medical field.
but not all doctors ARE brainwashed, many have reservations about vaccinations. and we have had enough bio-warfare scares in the past few years to open a lot of people's eyes. hopefully.

perhaps, like dick sutphen, we should all get trained in hypnotic techniques so we can spot them when used on us...he talks about a workshop he attended where he and his (also aware) friends noticed that their moods were being manipulated...and pointed out that just being ABLE TO NOTICE can keep you out of harm's way.

of course there is always the "innocent" explanation that they are running worst-case scenarios in the hope of being prepared.

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i turn right OFF when i hear it ..
i.e has the opposite effect on me ..
( it's like .. 'stop trying to manipulate me you smooth mouthed 'attempting-to-button-push' ba*tard' .. )
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I hear you there!

More people may be aware of - or "hear" these tactics than realized too.


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perhaps, like dick sutphen, we should all get trained in hypnotic techniques so we can spot them when used on us
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I'm a certified Hypnotist by the National Guild of Hypnotists. Which is really a joke; the classes were a joke. They took my thousand bucks, gave me a certificate and I walked away learning not much more than I couldve learned in a basic or beginners hypnosis book that you would find at any bookstore (things I already knew from reading them). Hypnosis is something I am no longer intersted in. I wanted to learn it to help people, but I think there are better ways of helping people to help themselves now. My teacher was also an auctioneer and said that what they do at auctions is also a form of hypnosis on the audience.

Obviously, hypnosis techniques work on people who are not "aware" and in becoming so, through meditation or other methods, they no longer work on certain people, or at least not fully or always. Most are operating in Alpha states, i believe, in which there is a hightened state of suggestibility. The average person enters Alpha after about 5 minutes of watching TV and we easily slip into it while driving our cars.

Youre right kat, not all doctors are brainwashed, thankfully. I like what you said about what Sutphen said about 'just being able to notice it'. Guess that's being aware.

Side note: I visited the whale site this morning and it was totally different (i saved what it looked like). It was a white page, with only some of the articles linked up. All of the quote banners at the top and bottom of the page were missing and there was a big WHALE logo there. Not sure what was going on or why, but now it's back to how it was yesterday; blue page with all the links and quote banners.


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posted April 27, 2009 09:25 AM
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The Influenza Pandemic of 1918
~ http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ ~
The Public Health Response
~ http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/fluresponse.html ~

The Scientific and Medical Response
~ http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/fluscimed.html ~
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google string : .. " 1918 flu pandemic scientists research " .. be quite a few links
( noticed that the 1918 virus was re-created in canada )

Bacteria played role in 1918 viral flu deaths, scientists say
~ http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/18/science/sci-flu18 ~

Lethal secrets of 1918 flu virus
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6271833.stm ~

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My background is microbiology / epidemiology and as a surveillence specialist in bioterrorism... I wrote the Rapid dispense of drugs for my county- called something else which I can't say..although they have mentioned part of the name when they talked about the "National Stockpile"....
There may have been cases in the US where death as been a result but at this time it is not confirmed (but will be). I can only say that this is not like the fear of Avian flu or SARS but something more. While we have not had the mortality rate as Mexico we don't know how the virus will mutate depending on the population or how it started in Mexico before it mutated (if it did).

We do know that our standard of living is better, our health care is better and therefore the death rate will be lower unless it does mutate. Viruses are tricky and they incorporate their RNA into a cells DNA to trick it into replicating itself. They can also incorporate resistance into their RNA which will then be transcriped into cells to propagate a virus that is more lethal.

Living here in Europe is a double edge sword. They are more proactive about surveillance but they are lacking in treatment (except for those affiliated with the Military and we will get vaccinated first even if it means making us all go back on post for an extended amount of time) but due to the Socialistic nature of many of these countries... well... I doubt they are going to dispense the anti-virals as a precaution measure.

Then again.. the anti-virals are less than effective as time goes on. Once someone has the flu they have a small window of efficacy (meaning the anti-viral). Viruses mutate at an incredible rate, meaning.. they recognize the anti-viral and work around it...

I hope this virus is self limiting. I hope that is it not one that mutates so fast that while we have "mild cases" everywhere but Mexico, that is turns into something more deadly.

The reason why it kills those that are between the ages of 25-45 is because of our advanced immune system. The 1918 flu caused a "Cytokine Cascade" meaning.. it made the T-cells and microphages go on the attack like using gasoline to put out a camp fire. The cells then began to attack the hosts body which lead to organ failure- then death.

We did have a case out here.. but I don't think they had tested for it yet. A Soldier came back from leave from the US.. then came down with the "flu". His immune system began to overreact and attack itself. He had a double lung transplant and died.

The sad thing is.. he was in a German hospital. I doubt they will check for swine flu. I doubt A LOT of things about Europe although they were smart enough to advise the cessation of non-essential travel to the US and Mexico while Stupid Napolitano said all was well (as did Obomber). Nap knows better. She was the head of my state when we prepared for all this crap.

As I write this... well.. she is finally issuing an advisory.... Too little too late..

The wombat should have known better. Same with Obomber


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posted April 27, 2009 04:49 PM
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Thank you both for the info.
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T ,
I somewhat agree with you about vaccinations. I had my doubts on the influenze shots and therefore refused it from my doctor from the very beginning. He was saying 'its an inside secret: every doctor gets one'. I replied 'Well, the flu virus will just stick to me and not do any serious damage. it should eventually pass away'. Not that God/existence has an obligation to cure people but I realized that the more spiritual you become you also become harmonious with things around you. Its a cheap way really -- to trust existence than doctors LOL.
I am also reminded about an "House" episode I saw on fox. He and his staff are on a plane and apparently one person shows symptoms. It so happens the same symptons starts appearing one after the other until Dr House finally find the remedy. Seems the bottomline of that episode was 'our mind controls our body'. So if you believe its contagious , you will show the same signs as what you believe in.

Some vaccines have proven to be Manna from heaven (like Polio etc)...and some did not. Well keep trying scientists coz the outside and inner world are not separate. So I am with biologists and vaccine researchers. But apparently only a few are genius like Louis Pasteur to come up with something useful to mankind.


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posted April 27, 2009 06:37 PM
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i heard the spanish warm air should divert the virus carryin winds...so americans could be safer...well wait until october and see how this thing srpead.
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posted April 27, 2009 07:01 PM
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Thanks Pid!! Clearly it is bound to be a headache (at the minimum) for every country.
Level four already

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posted April 27, 2009 09:18 PM
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Mannu...
& maybe more like September when Saturn & Uranus oppose each other again?


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Just found this:

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The previous Saturn opposite Uranus transit was during 1917-1919. World War I was another unpopular war in the U.S. (President Wilson won his 2nd term on an anti-war platform) and it produced terrible atrocities, including the use of chemical weapons. Other challenges during this opposition included the flu pandemic that killed 20,000,000 people worldwide and more than 500,000 in the U.S., prohibition of alcohol became law, demonstrations by women for the right to vote, the first general strike in U.S. history, Gandhi led protests in India, and the U.S. government took control of the railroads and Wells Fargo and shut down breweries during WWI.
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http://garybrandastrology.com/articles/echo/UranusOppositeSaturn10-10-2008.html

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A look at what was going on during previous Sat/Ura oppositions. http://www.astrostar.com/Odd-Couple-Saturn-Uranus.htm
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posted April 28, 2009 08:16 AM
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Colloidal Silver is good too guys!!!
I almost passed out in shock the other night (well not really- just almost)... and so, I was listening to a "conspiracy nut" on youtube weeks ago, my friend was listening too, it was an "emergency broadcast" regarding a flu epidemic that was imminent from leaked info. Wont go into details, I will find the link from youtube (if its still there) that was posted in March and april. When I heard what happened in Mexico with the Swine flu, it was shocking.

There are a few cases in NZ, and a school lockdown, and also a suspected case in a neighbor state.

Thanks for info, T

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posted April 28, 2009 10:46 AM
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Time to stock up on Miracle Mineral Supplement. Google Miracle Mineral Supplement, Jim Humble.
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katatonic
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posted April 28, 2009 11:34 AM
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other good precautionary measures include: drinking lots of water and fluids, mostly water - the dehydration caused by this (and other) flu is one of the main dangers...
emergen-cee is a great product that delivers a gram of vit c and other mineral/vitamin ingredients while giving you fluids at the same time.

and another deterrent is to take note that the U.S. cases have been very mild compared to the mexican ones. could that be because the mexican ones come from people actually exposed to pigs? who knows. maybe it is their general living conditions, or lack of early response. but it does seem to lose power as it removes from its origin?

in any case your mind does have a huge part to play in your health in ANY circumstances. don't panic!

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perhaps the culprit is not the government but the news media milking this for all its worth?? less sinister, if not less cynical perhaps.
"In April 2003, the world seemed on the brink of a killer pandemic.

After simmering for months in Guangdong, China, the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) virus had exploded in Hong Kong, Vietnam, Singapore, Canada, the U.S. and 14 other countries. It had a seriously scary fatality rate of 10%.

But as quickly as it came, it just as quickly faded away. The virus turned out not to be as contagious as feared. To date, the World Health Organization estimates that 774 people died from SARS. Most of the deaths occurred in Hong Kong and other areas in Southern China--where officials let the outbreak fester too long without taking steps to contain it.

Here in the U.S. there were only eight reported SARS cases, all nonfatal.

SARS was scary, for sure. But it affected only a specific region. And the deaths were mostly to blame on incompetent public health officials.

This history is something to keep in mind in the coming weeks as the swine flu outbreak, which is suspected of causing more than 100 deaths in Mexico, unfolds. While there have been a small number of cases in the United States, almost all of them have been mild, and there have been no deaths. And it is not clear whether there ever will be a significant number of deaths.

Hysteria and exotic-sounding disease outbreaks go hand in hand. Whether it's anthrax, mad cow disease, foot-and-mouth disease, bird flu or, going back to the 1990s, ebola—news of an outbreak generates fear that's disproportionate to the risk of catching the disease. In each of these cases deaths, if they occurred at all, were minimal.

During the SARS episode, the U.S. quickly cranked itself into full freakout mode. Each of the eight U.S. patients who contracted SARS had picked up the disease in Asia, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Yet travelers donned face masks no matter where they were flying. Pedestrians in U.S. cities followed suit. Families canceled vacations. Shoppers and diners avoided Chinatowns and Chinese restaurants like they were leper colonies. Companies scaled back their business in Asia, and then blamed bad financial results on SARS.

Cable news channels and other media sensationalized the outbreak as if it were a Hollywood movie--a real-life sequel to Dustin Hoffman's 1995 hit Outbreak. A medical historian at the University of Toronto, Edward Shorter, watched what was going on and called the phenomenon "mass psychosis."

Meanwhile, that year--and in every year this decade—between 30,000 and 50,000 American deaths were recorded from complications related to the seasonal flu. Another 40,000 people died in automobile accidents. And each year, gunshot wounds account for 30,000 deaths, around 4,000 people drown while swimming or boating and 60 people die from lightning strikes.

"The public is driven by irrational fears. They didn't go to medical school," says Shorter. "They're responding to an abdication of leadership by political leaders."

So far, the U.S. has responded to the swine flu with restraint. President Obama said the problem is a "cause for concern" and "not a cause for alarm." And the declaration of a public health emergency is not quite as scary as it sounds. It is an important precautionary measure, like declaring a state of emergency in Florida because a hurricane may or may not hit. But Russia banned pork imports from Mexico. And Hong Kong has said it won't accept flights from Mexico. "That's irrational, except to whip up public sentiment against the Mexicans," Shorter says.

The American public—and the news media—was captivated for an entire weekend by the prospect of a swine flu crossing our border. Is it the beginning of the next pandemic? Will the U.S. State Department ban travel to Mexico? Will the border be sealed? Will San Diego be next?

Let the public health officials make these decisions, Shorter recommends. No matter how virulent an outbreak seems at the beginning, public health departments will react aggressively. That's their job—better safe than sorry—and that's how epidemics are contained. But everyone else should learn to relax."


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Could someone tell me where Lara's thread on Swine Flu in Astrology 2.0 dissapeared to?
It seems to be among the missing now.

Please link up if you find it.

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That's chilling SunChild. Keep us posted please.
Thanks for the info LTT.

Was thinking we should start a thread on Natural Remedies and Defenses for the flu. Let's see what we can dig up.

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Kat, Emergen-C is great. Good advice thanks!
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Did anyone read the part on it looking like the Flu is a vitamin D deficiency. Explains why it comes on stronger in the winter months - less sunlight.

Vitamin D info from the site: http://www.whale.to/a/vitamin_d.html


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As for anti-virals. I have mentioned a great one that works better than man-made ones with absolutely no side effects. Let's see if we can find out about more all natural anti-virals, antibiotics from nature.
Before they ban all vitamins and supplements. May not be too long now. Or we may not be able to leave our homes to get them. Stores will be closed, cities under lock-down.

I was reading a news article last night where an official was saying we need to prepare for banks, stores and everything to be closed. How we should have a two weeks supply of canned food, water etc. That that is just "common sense". Will see if I can find it.

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I think we are going to see this come into full swing in the fall if not sooner. Pay attention to what they are saying in the news, though don't believe all of it. This is the time to prepare and educate yourself, not panic.

They are going to be keeping us on the edge of our seats and taking us for quite a ride. Repeating the mantra that this is just so "unpredictable", "we just don't know how it will play out."

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The 1918 flu was first reported in March of that year, in Kansas’s Haskell County, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The flu then became dormant in the U.S. for the summer, re-emerging in a more severe form in the fall of 1918, with a final wave of illness in spring of 1919.
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Saturn opposite Uranus:
1st hit - Nov. 4th 08 -- US Election Day

Repeats later on Feb 5th and Sept 15th 2009

Then April 26th & July 2010 at 0` Aries / Libra

critical degrees, I believe.

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i believe the pluto t-square also comes in in '10 with the last pass at the opposition?
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wasnt aware of that one....
*as of right now, the site's Home Page has changed it's look and number of links again. Banners are gone from it.

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~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/8022102.stm ~
" The good news is that we were all worried about so-called bird flu H5N1 which was a much more dangerous virus. Here, we are not in the same ball park "
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The good news is that we were all worried about so-called bird flu H5N1 which was a much more dangerous virus. Here, we are not in the same ball park.
"We might expect up to 30-40% of the population to become ill in the next six months if this truly turns into a pandemic"
Professor Ferguson

But we can't at the moment answer the question is it comparable to 1918 Spanish flu which killed a lot of people is it much more like Hong Kong flu.

We are coming out of the normal time of year when we have flu circulating in the UK so we don't really know what size of epidemic there may be in the next couple of months.

It is almost certain that even if it does fade away in the next few weeks which it might we will get a sizable epidemic in the Autumn.

We might expect up to 30-40% of the population to become ill in the next six months if this truly turns into a pandemic.

We could get substantial numbers infected in the next few weeks. If I was to be a betting man I would say it would be a slightly longer period of time just because we are heading into the summer months.


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Swine flu panic 2009 http://www.whale.to/vaccine/swine_flu_panic.html

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Jones/Watson: When the story first broke last month, Czech newspapers questioned if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic. Since the probability of mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible, this leaves no other explanation than that the contamination was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population who would then infect others to a devastating degree as the disease went airborne.
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Check this article out:
Avian Flu Virus Contamination in Lab Nearly Sets Off Pandemic


Pandemic
Saturday, March 14, 2009
Posted in Health | Tagged Health

The World Health Organization is investigating a European pharmaceutical company that has confessed to carrying out a potentially catastrophic mixing of experimental viruses. Baxter International admitted to contaminating a mix of common and highly contagious human flu viruses with a deadly avian (bird) flu virus. The resulting mix was allegedly accidentally mislabeled and shipped out of the company’s facilities where it was used to intentionally create infections. If left undiscovered, this scientific malfeasance could have triggered a pandemic that would have killed millions of humans. Investigators say there is no threat of further contamination, at this point, but that the investigation will continue http://prismwebcastnews.com/2009/03/14/avian-flu-virus-contamination-in-lab-nearly-sets-off-pandemic/


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"Virus Mania is a social disease of our highly developed society. To cure it will require conquering fear, fear being the most deadly contagious virus, most efficiently transmitted by the media. Errare humanum est sed diabolicum preservare… (to err is human, but to preserve an error is diabolic)."----Etienne de Harven
interesting the quote from the mexican doctor who with his colleagues was immediately vaccinated - two of those colleagues died in the first 6 days?

are people, as suggested by some, being given the flu undercover in the form of vaccine?

well i hope it doesn't come to mandatory vaccinations cause i have sworn off them for a couple of decades now!!


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Well Kat, beyond the old mandatory vacs my kids had for school, I know zilch about the laws regarding them. So, the most current info I could find is a 2005 report.
Perhaps we can opt for the quarantine


CRS Report for Congress Received through the CRS WebOrder Code RS21414Updated January 18, 2005 Mandatory Vaccinations: Precedent and Current Laws.

Angie A. Welborn Legislative Attorney American Law Division Summary. This report discusses the legal precedent for mandatory vaccination laws and provides a brief overview of state laws that require certain individuals or populations to
be vaccinated against various communicable diseases. The role of both the federal and
state governments with respect to public health emergency powers, including requiring
the use of a vaccine, is discussed. This report will be updated as warranted.History and Precedent Historically, the preservation of the public health has been the responsibility of state and local governments, and the authority to enact laws relevant to the protection of the
public health derives from the state’s general police powers.
With respect to the preservation of the public health in cases of communicable disease outbreaks, these
powers may include the institution of quarantine or the enactment of mandatory
vaccination laws. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RS21414.pdf.

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Swine Flu Martial Law Bill Clears Massachusetts Senate
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It took corporate media swine flu hysteria to ram through a martial law bill in Massachusetts. S18 gives the Governor the power to authorize the deployment and use of force to distribute supplies and materials and local authorities will be allowed to enter private residences for investigation and to quarantine individuals.

us news Swine Flu Martial Law Bill Clears Massachusetts Senate

The Associated Press reports:

The Massachusetts Senate has unanimously passed a pandemic flu preparation bill that has languished in the Legislature before the recent swine flu outbreak.


The 36-0 vote today sends the measure to the House. Both branches have taken it up in past years, but have not been able to agree on the details.


The new Senate version would allow the public health commissioner — in a public health emergency — to close or evacuate buildings, enter private property for investigations, and quarantine individuals.


The bill specifically mandates the following:

(1) to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;
(2) to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any building or facility, and to allow the reopening of the building or facility when the danger has ended;
(3) to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated, or to destroy any material;
(4) to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;
(5) to require a health care facility to provide services or the use of its facility, or to transfer the management and supervision of the health care facility to the department or to a local public health authority;
(6) to control ingress to and egress from any stricken or threatened public area, and the movement of persons and materials within the area;
(7) to adopt and enforce measures to provide for the safe disposal of infectious waste and human remains, provided that religious, cultural, family, and individual beliefs of the deceased person shall be followed to the extent possible when disposing of human remains, whenever that may be done without endangering the public health;
(8) to procure, take immediate possession from any source, store, or distribute any anti-toxins, serums, vaccines, immunizing agents, antibiotics, and other pharmaceutical agents or medical supplies located within the commonwealth as may be necessary to respond to the emergency;
(9) to require in-state health care providers to assist in the performance of vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of any individual as a condition of licensure, authorization, or the ability to continue to function as a health care provider in the commonwealth

Any person who knowingly violates an order of the commissioner or his or her designee, or of a local public health authority or its designee, given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or by a fine of note more than one thousand dollars, or both.

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i think this is how it all started.

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well i never kissed a pig but i've kissed lots of other animals and never had an ill moment from them!!
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How weird, I tryed posting the first page here 2 times and couldn`t find it.... it showed up twice in Health and Healing

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Thank you Juni!!!

There was just too much good info here. I'm glad we have it back.

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Whoa! That is weird! wt...?

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It's not "Swine Flu" anymore. The USDA wants us to call it the H1N1 virus.

USDA: Please Call It H1N1, Not Swine Flu

Yeah, yeah. Fox. But does anyone here really care if it's called Swine Flu? Are you going to stop eating pork or avoid any swine products?

I don't eat pork myself and I do think the animals are pretty gross when kept as they usually are by the meat industry. But are most Americans really as out of it as Paris Hilton ?

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it was pointed out to me by a friend yesterday that mexico city is one of the most polluted places in the world, and the fact that mexicans have died from this flu might be because their lungs and general health are already compromised by living there. i don't know if this is it but it does seem that only mexican cases have been deadly...or maybe it has already mutated into a milder form?

apparently they have pretty much shut mexico and especially mex city down, including the cinco de mayo celebrations. this will cost them billions in tourist income i am sure! an official in mex city says the air is better since they called a slowdown than it has been for decades - but it still measures up as "poor"!!

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Thanks for reposting this juni.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bozos realized they made a mistake by calling it swine flu, because now we are all looking into what happened with swine flues in the past. And some are bumping into startling facts about vaccinations and drug companies along the way.

Sadly, I think most Americans along with the rest of the world are as out of it, Eleanore.

Exactly how they want it.

Though by the same token, not as many as they may think or hope.

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I've just ordered some of this...Miracle Mineral Solution....I think this is something everyone should keep in their cupboard.
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PART TWO: Astrology Text

Swine Flu Pandemic ... ???...
NEPTUNE-CHIRON-JUPITER conjunction in Aquarius

http://www.starpathvisions.com/Swine_Flu_Neptune.html

Hi folks,

Time for another positive, happy, fun-filled chat with Uncle Donald! Here's my personal contribution to the Swine Flu hysteria being carefully instigated by whom? For what reasons? Cui bono? I'm not sending you this because I think you'll like it or like me for sending it but because it's important and real. No, I do not subscribe to the simulated FRENZY with which this crap is being hyped, nor am I personally suffering from a "negative" state of mind, nor am I trying to stir in any of you either frenzy or negativity. Take a Rorschach test, look into your tea leaves, consult the ink blots in the skies! But beware the Archons!

I consider this a calmly urgent chat over coffe and a hot buttered, honeyed bagel.....

Below you see the transits for Washington DC for May 27th 2009 coming right up. The triple conjunction of Neptune with Chiron and Jupiter may be the triggering device for bioterror events -specifically government originated and executed pandemics. The current hyped scare over Swine Flu may climax in a few weeks time into a sad example of what I've been repeatedly writing about as a possibility in various articles on my website.

It is a physical/physiological expression of what I've been calling in recent articles the Obama-Neptune Trance state of media engineered consciousness in the USA and globally. (http://starpathvisions.com/Obama-Neptune%20Trance%20Formation.html)

It's CONTAGION, a favorite theme of Neptune which may also be used to camouflage or deceive, and it's my opinion (though certainly not only my opinion) that the Swine Flu is a clearly designed biowarfare weapon of the kind I've been "seeing" might be deliberately released upon Americans who, may I remind you, are currently living in an America under a Pisces Sun ruled by Neptune. That indicates, as I keep emphasizing, that we are entering into a stage of "karmic payback" as well as a collective state of mind inclined to be escapist, spaced-out, and avoidance oriented. It's Pisces, kids, the sign of self-victimization achieved by following escapism and trance as a way of life.

(If you think this kind of thought is "conspiracy theory" please investigate for yourself ...I've given links with which to begin your search below. And for further understanding of what it means that the USA is now a Pisces Nation go here: http://starpathvisions.com/Spellbound.html)

Funny phrase that, "search below" ...it points to healthy introspection, self-examination... an increasingly rare tactical skill among brain washed Americans. We suffer from an inability together with a flat-out refusal to face up to our collective guilt as a People under the willing control of the Empire called America which is a literally CRIMINAL STATE. We support this Empire's crimes by burying our head in the sand and escaping into our EXCLUSIVELY personal lives because we don't want to identify with American Crimes and we don't want to be "negative". DUH!!!! The notion of "guilt" has become so anathema to Americans that one wonders not at all why Obama, for instance, avoids trial of our National War Criminals such as X-President Bush, X-Vice President Cheney, Alberto Gonzales etc. using that all pervasive NEGATIVE NEPTUNE AVOIDANCE called ...let's look ahead, move on, we have "important" things to do ... none of this namby-pamby "looking backwards" stuff!

Congress, the President and all the major Corporate Media in America tout this line of thinking ... be "dynamic" look ahead "positively" to the future ... "NO BLAME" ...we don't play the "Blame Game". Well, I'm sorry, despite all my ranting against the psychological sickness of Christian Guilt as a control tactic central to Capitalism's survival I think it's more than obvious that there is such a thing as GUILT and we as Americans stand GUILTY before the whole of Nature, Humanity, and the Earth herself for leading the way into the Nuclear Age of trashing humanity and all life on this planet since the close of WWII ...we were NOT the "Saviours" of "Western Civilization" during that war and we have done nothing so much as kill, poison, steal, and rape other countries, other human beings and all of Nature since that time. Now that is something to sink our GUILTY TEETH into because it's real, it's FACT and it ain't gonna go away anytime soon no matter how deeply we bury our heads in the sand.

What sand? (I read a scientific study recently pointing out that the apparently beautiful sands of 'paradise' islands all over the South Pacific are actually riddled with nano-particles of non-biodegradable PLASTIC among many other things -the South Pacific of Rogers & Hammerstein fame is where we detonated so many of our Super Hydrogen Bombs! ! Some Enchanted Evening!!!)

Seriously, I've placed a lot of links here which, if you follow them, will help to flesh out what I'm saying. And whether this round of what's being called the "Swine Flu" turns out to be the coming PANDEMIC of US INSTIGATED BIO-WARFARE (or another round comes later) we are in great danger of precisely this kind of attack and must come to grips with that. Wishing it were not so or that it will "go away" if we don't think about it is negative Neptune-Pisces evasion. One must ask oneself WHY the UN, World Health Organization, and Euro-American Governments keep hyping these FLU and Terrorist Warnings ... just what bio-engineered viruses they INTEND to vaccinate the general public with. WHY they keep trying to induce MASS FEAR and PSYCHOSIS in the Public Sector ... all this is spearheaded by the United States currently undergoing a massive NEPTUNE delusional psychosis. And hey, America's Neptune function is ALWAYS in challenging SQUARE aspect with Mars, the Archon of War!

These currently transiting planets may be the trigger used to implement increasingly more alarming warnings and even, finally, actual execution of enforced vaccination of the People with deathly vaccines because they are ALL conjunct the Natal USA Moon, and Jupiter is EXPANDING the Chiron wounded-healer issue in the Aquarian Air sign of GLOBAL COMMUNITY along with Neptunian contagion-oneness on that USA MOON. So, do yourself a favor and take a look. It will really be a miracle if the USA does not become a place of Marshall Law brought on by way of militarily enforced QUARANTINES as the global economy continues to disintegrate.

Neptune is very slow moving, today it rests at 26 degrees and 14 minutes of Aquarius whereas the Natal USA MOON of the Masses as the People is found at 27 degrees and 13 minutes of Aquarius. Neptune has, in other words, entered within one degree of conjunction/union with the USA MOON meaning our Neptune evasiveness is IN OUR FACE as INDIVIDUALS within a Nation and collectively as a People of this Nation. We have, as a People, a very worrisome and wrong-headed relationship with NEPTUNE in Virgo at our Nation's founding because it is SQUARE to our Natal MARS in Gemini and if that square says anything at all it says that we actively, aggresively pursue NEGATIVE NEPTUNE EVASIVENESS in our 9th house moral/ethical actions. We are most adept at MASKING our real MOTIVES from ourselves. NO MORE can this game continue since transiting NEPTUNE with a roughly 164 year cycle of the zodiacal signs is gathering us ALL up in it's MISTY CLOUD while PLUTO with an even longer cycle of 245 years is returning to its position at America's birth and currently OPPOSING our Natal VENUS. Do you get this?

Look, NEPTUNE is the "higher octave" of VENUS. While VENUS is PERSONAL one-on-one love/money/beauty/harmony our truly spiritual and highly imaginative friend NEPTUNE is TRANSPERSONAL as Venus' higher octave and demands INCLUSION OF ALL ... ALL love/money/beauty/harmony. So, while it's always essential for each of us to know that love begins at home, that we must look after our own money situation etc. NEPTUNE demands -it doesn't politely ask -it DEMANDS that we understand we are (each one of us) part of the ALL and must look at the bigger, collective picture. COLLECTIVE (Neptune & Pluto) issues are upon us ... we must think in GROUP/SPECIES terms now ... it takes precedence over our personal issues. Tent City America. Widespread and rapidly growing Homelessness. No person is an island entire unto himself etc.

Exact dates of NEPTUNE conjuncting USA NATAL MOON: 1) March 15, 2010; 2) August 23, 2010; 3) January 16, 2011. Look at these dates not as appointment times on a clock but as symbolical moments spread over a two year period of time beginning NOW.

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What follows here below is a rather clear layout of the PROFITS to be gained by some Corporations if our bio-engineered H5N1 Virus can be disseminated widely enough. Also here you may find a good sketch as to HOW this virus was created and already dispersed through "accidental" vaccinations.

Connecting The H5N1 (Swine Flu) Dots
From A. True Ott PhD
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Ok Kiddies, let's play my favorite game again --- connect the dots.

Dot #1. As reported so courageously and well by our new friend, Alexander Jones, Price Waterhouse/Cooper in conjunction with their Chicago client, Baxter Intl., have conspired to keep a lid on what is perhaps THE BIGGEST STORY of the decade --- the PANDEMIC FLU H5N1 mutation bio-engineered by Dr. Taubenberger et. al. at Ft. Detrick was intentionally blended with the HUMAN-SPECIFIC H3N2 virus and sent to 18 European labs as a basis for their VACCINE PRODUCTION -- proving once again that any "pandemic" killing millions of innocents is bio-engineered and will be started via VACCINATIONS.


Dot #2. One of Price Waterhouse/Cooper's single biggest clients? Wall Street giant, Goldman Sachs - a partner with PW in the Satyam scandal in India - similar in many ways to America's Enron "creative accounting" scandal. See http://in.biz.yahoo.com/090305/203/6zjs5.html

Dot #3. Bush's Treasure Secretary Paulson, the "engineering architect" of the original TARP bailout (and continued "strategic advisor" to current Treasury Secretary Geithner) as well as Obama's "Stimulus Plan" was CEO of Goldman Sachs until assuming the Treasury post.

Dot #4. Goldman Sachs was the primary investment firm that brokered the "shorted" stock purchases in corporations negatively affected by the events of 9-11. The windfall profits were left unclaimed following reports in the Wall Street Journal. No SEC or Congressional investigation by the 9-11 Commission into this "smoking gun" was ever conducted, however.


Dot #5. Paulson's 2006 "salary" from Goldman Sachs? $160 million dollars. This makes the A.I.G. executive bonuses mere chump change. Why would he take over a $159 million dollar "pay cut" to become U.S. Treasury secretary?????

Dot #6. Paulson used the IRS as his weapon of revenge against an equally corrupt Governor Eliot Spitzer. Why? As New York AG, Spitzer had dared to indict Goldman Sachs for insider trading practices. V indeed stands for Vendetta -- and Khazarian Jews never forget!!

Dot #7. According to Scotland's "Sunday Herald" newpaper, the Rothschild "City of London"-controlled Royal Bank of Scotland is poised to receive BILLIONS from Obama's "Stimulus Package". Further BILLIONS of U.S. tax dollars go to the CIty of London via A.I.G. re-insuring of derivatives hedged by Barclay Bank of England, Goldman Sachs, and Lloyds of London, Obama keeps the media distracted by venting over mere millions being paid out to A.I.G. executives. All of the ACCOUNTING RECORDS concerning these fraudulent transactions are being kept by --- you guessed it ---- Price Waterhouse/Cooper.
http://www.sundayherald.com/search/display.var.2453817.0.rbs_will_get_billions_in_us_bailout_of_economy.php

Dot #8. Tuesday, March 10, 2009 -- the Dow surged 379 points thanks to a U.S. Treasury "stress test" audit of the TRILLIONS in phony derivatives held by zombie bank - CITIBANK. According to CNBC reporters, GOLDMAN SACHS was given an "insider tip" to this audit, and as a result, grabbed millions of dollars in day-trading profits from the stock surge. The derivatives are then removed from CITIBANK into a MORMON-CHURCH-OWNED account in Key Bank, Salt Lake City, Utah. For the full story, see
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/gove
rnment/fraud/us_government/news.php?q=1236972428

Dot #9. Arabian multi-billionaire, Uncle of Al-Quaida-founder Osama bin Laden, and ARMS DEALER to the rich and powerful ZIONISTS worldwide, Adnan Khashoggi built and finances Key Bank in Salt Lake City, Utah, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) Basel, Switzerland --- as well as the TRIAD Center that houses the Mormon-Church-owned KSL TV and Radio conglomerates. See http://www.superiorpics.com/adnan_khashoggi/

Dot #10. In Adam Lebor's Hitler's Secret Bankers (see also Charles Higham's Trading With the Enemy), we learn how the Basel-based Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and its American president, Thomas McKittrick, continued trading and money laundering on behalf of the Nazis throughout the Second World War -- then financed the removal of key Nazi scientists involved in the Nazi EUGENICS movement from Germany into UTAH and South America via the OSS/CIA's "Operation Paper Clip".

Dot #11. BIS is an international organization of central banks established under the globalist Bretton-Woods International Financial scheme. BIS is closely associated with the Bilderberg Group, the elitist organization established by the Nazi collaborator Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (see Alden Hatch 's H. R. H. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands for more on Bernhard's SS connections).

Dot #12. It should be noted that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, Obama's point man on the economy and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, also sits on the board of directors of BIS (Fed mob boss Ben Bernanke also sits on the board of this one-time Nazi front group that currently controls the IMF and World Bank). These are the men that President Barack O-Bama has chosen to bring America "Change you can Believe In" ???

Dot #13. It is no mistake Bilderberg and Rockefeller stooge Henry Kissinger came out very early in favor of Obama, as did Rockefeller minion and co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Obama's appointees are overwhelmingly of the globalist and bankster persuasion - a preponderant number are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. Financial support for the Obama campaign flowed in from Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Citigroup, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, J.P. Morgan Chase, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and others -- ALL POISED TO RECEIVE THE LION'S SHARE OF "BAILOUT" DOLLARS.

OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB HAS BEEN WOVEN.

The bottom line is this. There is no doubt that these MOBSTERS are poised to first strip all remaining wealth out of the British Colony called the United States, then proceed with GENOCIDE followed by CHINESE COMMUNIST possession of the land and real wealth that is AMERICA.

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From Ken Steen
To: ATRUEOTT@msn.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Your recent article posted on Rense

Hi

I read your recent article posted on Rense ("connecting the H5N1 dots") and I would like to ask you some questions.

1: Where can I find the documentary evidence that "Dr. Taubenberger et. al. at Ft. Detrick" blended the H5N2 human variant virus with H5N1 and sent it to European labs to be used in human vaccinations? That seems to be the sort of thing that should be headline news around the world.

2: I have read other stories of American taxpayer "bailout" dollars going to foreign companies ( you mentioned RBS). What other foreign companies do you know of right off hand that are receiving American money?

3: Why do you persist in referring to the government (NWO) crowd as "Nazi?" Clearly these people are anything but Nazi, at least from the standpoint of Nazi ideology. The NWO crowd is the biggest enemy of the European people there are. Your intimation that they are attempting to cause a mutated H5N1 pandemic in Europe is further evidence of this, though it is hardly needed. These are the same people that are pushing and have pushed the massive 3 world immigration into Europe and other white counties. They have instigated affirmative action programs here in the US (and similar programs in other white countries) and they have pushed mental torture on white children all over the world by attempting to instill guilt and shame at an early age in children over historical events, just to name a few things.

And no, I'm not a Nazi. It just seems strange to me that you describe as "Nazi" people who are the very antithesis of Nazi beliefs.

Ken www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

From: A. True Ott PhD
To: Ken Steen
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Your recent article posted on Rense

Hello Ken:
Thanks for your questions. Let me clarify some of the issues for you.
1. Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger's team at Ft. Detrick spent 6 years mapping the genome structure of the 1918 pandemic virus beginning in 1997. His team completed the task, and basically "weaponized" the virus in 2004. (Sources for this story: PBS TV special, "Secrets of the Dead: Killer Flu", as well as literally hundreds of related articles such as this one by the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/11/21/DI2005112100469.html)

In 2005, Taubenberger announces that there are "many close similarities" between the H5N1 "bird flu" and the deadly 1918 virus. Surprise, surprise!! Suddenly, the United Nations is announcing an "inevitable" pandemic involving the H5N1 "bird flu". What is actually happening, is NWO elites now have the ultimate biological weapon at their disposal --- 300 times more lethal than weaponized smallpox. THE TRUTH IS THAT H5N1 "BIRD FLU" DOES NOT NATURALLY MAKE THE GENETIC JUMP TO HUMAN CELLS, UNLESS BLENDED WITH H5N3 HUMAN INFLUENZA IN A LABORATORY. Taubenberger didn't do that. This was done by Baxter International Labs -- headquartered in, of all places, Chicago's 10th Congressional District -- President Obama's political power base. You are right, this story should indeed be headline news around the world -- but it's not. The story was reported by The Canadian Press, then I and my colleague Dr. Rebecca Carley dissected it on the air. BUT IT HAS NOT APPEARED IN ANY MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
Just as startling is the fact that Baxter used the kidney cells of AFRICAN GREEN MONKEYS to culture the "contaminated vaccines" that were sent overseas. http://www.in-pharmatechnologist.com/Materials-Formulation/Baxter-uses-cell-culture-for-H5N1-vaccine. Originally, HIV and AIDS was called "African Green Monkey Disease" because the virus was traced to infected African Green Monkeys.

2. The Royal Bank of Scotland, (RBS), Barclay Bank of England, and Lloyds of London are just the tip of the iceberg. The A.I.G. Insurance is a true multi-national giant -- by giving it bail-out funds, you can rest assured that American taxpayer dollars will find its way into the following countries: Australia, (AIG Life Australia), Pakistan, CHINA (Don't forget that A.I.G. was originally a CHINESE corporation founded in 1919 and chartered in Shanghai, China. --- today, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the PLA have a major financial stake in A.I.G.-- which insures most Chinese manufacturing facilities (owned by the CCP and PLA), as well as the Bejing PanAm International Aviation Academy (BPIAA) -- the largest private flight-training academy in all of China.) Other foreign countries tied to A.I.G. holdings are Hong Kong, India, Phillipines, Singapore, United Kingdom, and Indonesia.

Following the successful conclusion of the Summer Olympics in Bejing, the CCP and PLA began flexing their enormous financial muscles. They quit spending billions in oil and gas futures, causing the price of oil to plummet. They also immediately quit investing their billions into U.S. Treasury bonds and mortgage companies. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac suddenly had a liquidity crisis, and needed taxpayer bailout. This domino then hit A.I.G. -- who likewise had no available liquidity to cover its massive DERIVATIVE INSURANCE OBLIGATIONS. With the news that A.I.G. could no longer meet its obligations, brokerage houses like Lehman Brothers were not able to pay its deravitive-based calls, and had to immediately seek bankruptcy protection and the dominos continued to fall.

An excellent synopsis of this entire, sordid mess called A.I.G. can be read at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_International_Group

3. Nazi stands for the "National Socialist Party". Their goals have always been world dictatorship via the fascist state. Fascism is simply mega-corporations dominating all aspects of government, from the judicial, to the congressional, to the military. Do your homework, and read the history books. Prescot Bush, father of George H.W. Bush was a card-carrying member of the National Socialist Party. This makes him a Nazi --- and his son and grandsons are following the exact Nazi play book Grandpa Bush taught them from. Look at the Wall Street barons who funded Hitler into power, and you will find they wrote the eugenics manual that Hitler followed. Take a few hours and read Anthony Suttons book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html. You will see Standard Oil, (Rockefeller) and I.T.T. executives deeply involved. Follow the money trail, Mr. Steen, and you see the same NWO philosophy of the National Socialists (Nazis) alive and well in A.I.G., Goldman Sachs, and the Federal Reserve. You will also see that I.G. Farben, the massive conglomerate controlled by Himmler, Hitler and all other NAZI and S.S. thugs broke apart after WW II into the major pharmaceutical giants (such as Baxter) that are hell-bent on releasing a massive pandemic on the world. WHY? Simply because they have come to realize that invasive viruses can be more effective for social engineering tasks than invasive armies.
I call them NAZI's because a rose by any other name, simply wouldn't smell as sweet.
Sincerely,
A. True Ott, PhD, ND

VIDEOS
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgcLC0...
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbwjha...
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx3TT...
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyhmS1...
This document has just been published 26/04/2009 as a result of a freedom of information request it states that they have been spraying toxic aluminium fibre glass:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.ph...

The flu strain is man made! Here is the proof. Part 1
I think the interview was BEFORE the Power Hour video on youtube. Dated 3rd March 2009.
These Doctors/Scientists are saying the HN51 strain has been modified by a company called Baxters.
The flu was found in San Diego last month. Two young boys had it even though they didn't have contact with pigs or chickens. Baxters who make the hn51 vaccine are based in Chicago!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

POPULATION CONTROL? RFID CHIP PLANS? MONEY? FEAR?

Wales UK preparing for flu outbreak:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wal...

This info below is from that video.

"Global Dimming" effects the hydrological cycle of our earth. So weakening our earths water cycle. Reducing rainfall and threatening fresh water supplies. By spraying reflective particles in the air by planes in the form of chemtrails is infact going to kill millions of people, cause drought and starvation, melt the ice caps, damage our lungs, kill wildlife, make animals extinct and mess our earth up for good. Stop chemtrails NOW. They are murdering ******** . They are evil. They don't know what they are doing!

"Deep Sheild" committed suicide. http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/s...

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posted May 24, 2009 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
I havent been able to read through all this yet, but thought it looked like it was worth posting.

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posted May 24, 2009 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?
By Dr. Mercola (excerpt)

Should You Accept a Flu Vaccine -- Just to be Safe?

As stated in the New York Times14 and elsewhere, flu experts have no idea whether the current seasonal flu vaccine would offer any protection whatsoever against this exotic mutant, and it will take months to create a new one. But let me tell you, getting vaccinated now would not only offer no protection and potentially cause great harm, it would most likely be loaded with toxic mercury which is used as a preservative in most flu vaccines.. I've written extensively about the numerous dangers (and ineffectiveness) of flu vaccines, and why I do not recommend them to anyone. So no matter what you hear -- even if it comes from your doctor -- don't get a regular flu shot. They rarely work against seasonal flu...and certainly can't offer protection against a never-before- seen strain. Currently, the antiviral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza are the only drugs that appear effective against the (human flu) H1N1 virus, and I strongly believe taking Tamiflu to protect yourself against this new virus could be a serious mistake -- for all the reasons I already mentioned above.
But in addition to the dangerous side effects of Tamiflu, there is also growing evidence of resistance against the drug. In February, the pre-publication and preliminary findings journal called Nature Precedings published a paper on this concern, stating15:

The dramatic rise of oseltamivir [Tamiflu] resistance in the H1N1 serotype in the 2007/2008 season and the fixing of H274Y in the 2008/2009 season has raised concerns regarding individuals at risk for seasonal influenza, as well as development of similar resistance in the H5N1 serotype [bird flu]. Previously, oseltamivir resistance produced changes in H1N1 and H3N2 at multiple positions in treated patients. In contrast, the recently reported resistance involved patients who had not recently taken oseltamivir.

It's one more reason not to bother with this potentially dangerous drug. And, once a specific swine flu drug is created, you can be sure that it has not had the time to be tested in clinical trials to determine safety and effectiveness, which puts us right back where I started this article -- with a potential repeat of the last dangerous swine flu vaccine, which destroyed the lives of hundreds of people. Topping the whole mess off, of course, is the fact that if the new vaccine turns out to be a killer, the pharmaceutical companies responsible are immune from lawsuits -- something I've also warned about before on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, those prospects won't stop the governments of the world from mandating the vaccine -- a scenario I hope we can all avoid.

complete article here with videos: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx

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you've been busy, T! has anyone come across anyone - at ALL - who has come down with this so called pandemic disease? i know i haven't..

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Good question kat. That was one of the first things I thought of too (along with a lot of other off the wall notions haha) - i'd like to meet one of these people. .....well, with a mask on of course....and i might have to apologize for not shaking their hand, but...anyway, yes, does anyone here know anyone who actually has it? And test results can be faked.

Now, i will zip it on my other theories.

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Personally, the news on this flu is just one more reason why I like groups that mock the news and its fear mongering. For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgj2etJs3Y

Now that I watched that again, I realized that THIS was actually far more dignified & informative than what I saw CNN do about the "swine flu."

(Btw, it's amazing to me how many people think the Onion is REAL!)

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Right on. & yeah, i LOVE The Onion too.

i'm unable to view the video right now. darn.

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