posted April 23, 2010 12:25 PM         

So, along comes the Liar in Chief again and attempts to connect the personality profiles of Tea Party members to Timothy McVeigh.

McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

What Kommander Korruption leaves out of his lying profile is that McVeigh bombed the federal building because of what Kommander Korruption himself ordered done in Waco, Texas.

The Branch Davidian compound was assaulted using US military hardware..tanks and more than 80 people were killed...about half were children....burned to death.

Since the leader of the Branch Davidians, David Koresh, came to town at least once a week, it was totally unnecessary to assault the compound. Koresh could have been quietly arrested..on a gun charge..when he came to town. But.....

Kommander Korruption wanted to show what a macho man he was and decided on a direct confrontation at the compound instead. What irony; the Liar in Chief is on record stating he and his leftist comrades "Despise the US military". Yet, he orders US military tanks be used and National Guard troops to be used to assault a group. Then, Kommander Korruption blames his Attorney General, Janet Reno for the results. This is an example of leftists "taking responsibility". The buck never stops at their desks.

Timothy McVeigh was incensed over the assault at Waco.

Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building...which was the regional headquarters of the BATF which figured prominently in the attack at Waco and he bombed the building ON THE VERY ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE FEDERAL ATTACK AT WACO.

Kommander Korruption attempted to blame talk radio for the McVeigh bombing. But it was the actions of Kommander Korruption himself and Janet Reno which motivated McVeigh.

So, the Liar in Chief is still on the job, still attempting to cover his ass and still lying through his teeth. Some things never change.

Liberals and the Violence Card
Conservative protest is motivated by a love of what America stands for.
Rush Limbaugh

The latest liberal meme is to equate skepticism of the Obama administration with a tendency toward violence. That takes me back 15 years ago to the time President Bill Clinton accused "loud and angry voices" on the airwaves (i.e., radio talk-show hosts like me) of having incited Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. What self-serving nonsense. Liberals are perfectly comfortable with antigovernment protest when they're not in power.

From the halls of the Ivy League to the halls of Congress, from the antiwar protests during the Vietnam War and the war in Iraq to the anticapitalist protests during International Monetary Fund and World Bank meetings, we're used to seeing leftist malcontents take to the streets. Sometimes they're violent, breaking shop windows with bricks and throwing rocks at police. Sometimes there are arrests. Not all leftists are violent, of course. But most are angry. It's in their DNA. They view the culture as corrupt and capitalism as unjust.

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Former President Bill Clinton smiles as he receives a medallion from Cathy Keating, wife of former Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating, as a part of the Reflections of Hope Award ceremony in Oklahoma City.
.Now the liberals run the government and they're using their power to implement their radical agenda. Mr. Obama and his party believe that the election of November 2008 entitled them to make permanent, "transformational" changes to our society. In just 16 months they've added more than $2 trillion to the national debt, essentially nationalized the health-care system, the student-loan industry, and have their sights set on draconian cap-and-trade regulations on carbon emissions and amnesty for illegal aliens.

Had President Obama campaigned on this agenda, he wouldn't have garnered 30% of the popular vote.

Like the millions of citizens who've peacefully risen up and attended thousands of rallies in protest, I seek nothing more than the preservation of the social contract that undergirds our society. I do not hate the government, as the left does when it is not running it. I love this country. And because I do, I insist that the temporary inhabitants of high political office comply with the Constitution, honor our God-given unalienable rights, and respect our hard-earned private property. For this I am called seditious, among other things, by some of the very people who've condemned this society?

I reject the notion that America is in a well-deserved decline, that she and her citizens are unexceptional. I do not believe America is the problem in the world. I believe America is the solution to the world's problems. I reject a foreign policy that treats our allies like our enemies and our enemies like our allies. I condemn the president traveling the world apologizing for America's great contributions to mankind. And I condemn his soft-peddling the dangers we face from terrorism. For this I am inciting violence?

Few presidents have sunk so low as Mr. Clinton did with his accusations about Oklahoma City. Last week—on the very day I was contributing to and raising more than $3 million to fight leukemia and lymphoma on my radio program—Mr. Clinton used the 15th anniversary of that horrific day to regurgitate his claims about talk radio.

At a speech delivered last Friday at the Center for American Progress in Washington, D.C., the former president said: [T]here were a lot of people who were in the business back then of saying that the biggest threat to our liberty and the cause of our domestic economic problem was the federal government itself. And we have to realize that there were others who fueled this both because they agreed with it and because it was in their advantage to do so. . . . We didn't have blog sites back then so the instrument of carrying this forward was basically the right-wing radio talk show hosts and they understand clearly that emotion was more powerful than reason most of the time."

Timothy McVeigh was incensed by the Clinton administration's 1993 siege on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. It's no coincidence that the bombing took place two years to the day of the Waco siege. McVeigh was not inspired by anything I said or believe and to say otherwise is outright slander. In the aftermath of the bombing, I raised millions of dollars for the children of federal employees killed in that cowardly attack through my association with the Marine Corp Law Enforcement Foundation.

Let me just say it. The Obama/Clinton/media left are comfortable with the unrest in our society today. It allows them to blame and demonize their opponents (doctors, insurance companies, Wall Street, talk radio, Fox News) in order to portray their regime as the great healer of all our ills, thus expanding their power and control over our society.

A clear majority of the American people want no part of this. They instinctively know that the Obama way is not how things get done in this country. They are motivated by love. Not hate, not sedition. They love their country and want to save it from those who do not.

posted April 23, 2010 02:32 PM         

apparently michelle bachman heard clinton "calling her out" or wanting to "take her out" which given his randy nature the last might be true! but he never mentioned her name so this particular "majority of americans" thinks she wants to think she is more important than she is too. it's very comforting to tell yourself that the "majority" is on your side...in the old days, as dylan satyrically pointed out, it was popular to declare that. god was on your side.

posted April 23, 2010 03:40 PM         

So now, he's singing the same tune, different verse and attempting to suggest Tea Party members have the same mindset as McVeigh.

He's a low and very "common leftist" who has never taken any personal responsibility for his actions. He's also a hypocrite for not calling out leftists who did far worse than any Tea Party member is now doing in protesting O'Bomber's asinine policies.

posted April 23, 2010 04:43 PM         

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converting me to the left than anyone i've met in a long time

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posted April 23, 2010 05:47 PM         

Clearly, that wouldn't be O'Bomber.

O'Bomber is an intellectual, ideological, domestic policy, economic policy and foreign policy...dunce.

Unlike the broken clock which manages to get it right twice a day, O'Bomber has bombed out on every issue of importance to America and Americans.

Now, is there anyone here who cares to take a shot at proving anything I've said on this thread is WRONG?

posted April 23, 2010 09:01 PM         

Clinton's blithering, blathering, bloviating and bullshiiit about Tea Party members vs Timothy McVeigh has been all over the press and all over the Internet.

Suddenly, leftists want everyone who disagrees with O'Bomber on any issue to just shut the hell up. Of course when Bush was Prez, leftists applauded the most vile images, the most vile language and even vile books and a movie depicting the assasination of George Bush. Yea!

Just let me say....UP THEIRS.

Let the laws of the United States be the regulations businesses must operate within. Let the Justice Dept and State Prosecutors prosecute, convict and imprision those who break those laws.

posted April 24, 2010 11:15 AM         

while personally i wonder how people were conned into this situation it behooves the so-called experts to refrain from swindling the little folk, often uninformed (in the past anyway) and unaware of how trading on the margin affected the country 80 years ago...

anyone remember the 80s and how loans were being pushed along with incentives like "a chance to win a rolls royce", free cameras, etc etc etc? i did fall for ONE of those loans, but never in a million years would i have gone out on a limb and taken on a mortgage i couldn't pay for. don't understand how people think but when the big guys say it's okay i guess a lot of people never stop to consider that the bet's being hedged both ways by those who can afford it...

posted April 24, 2010 12:14 PM         

Just for your information, there are presently 7 federal agencies which regulate banks and financial institutions. We don't need another worthless bunch of chair warmers to support with taxpayer money.

Those 7 different sets of federal regulators whose job it was to oversee banks and financial institutions..but didn't, should be canned and people brought in who can do the job.

posted April 24, 2010 01:58 PM         

This wreaks of negative Eristic energy.

Can't we get away from the "I am right ,and you're wrong....it's my way or no way" mentality?

How is this Global Unity? It's not even National Unity.

I am just tired of people complaining,bickering on each side of the political spectrum to the point that I don't want to have to do with either side.

I don't care for Republicans,and I don't care for Democrats.

I am liberal though. I can't see myself being a conservative.

I would appreciate people stop painting people with certain political beliefs in the same brush. I don't care if you're a Democrat,Republican,Independent,Green Party,or whatever.

I am sick and tired of the generalizing.

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posted April 25, 2010 11:51 PM         

http://vodpod.com/watch/3353608-hannity-calls-tea-partiers-tim-mcveigh-wannabees

posted April 26, 2010 10:47 AM         

You claim to be a Liberal but you voted for a far left radical Marxist Socialist who is in no way, a Liberal.

Your real intent here is to stop the well deserved criticism of O'Bomber...and that in itself is not a Liberal trait, it's Illiberal.

cherle, you're new here so I'm not going to say you're full of crap...even though anyone who relies on daily kos for their news or opinions probably is.

Hannity was speaking to a large crowd with many Tea Party members present. Far from calling Tea Party members Timothy McVeigh wannabes, Hannity was ridiculing Kommander Korruption, aka Bill Clinton who recently attempted to connect Tea Party members attitudes to Timmothy McVeigh's penchant for violence.

I'd say you made a nice try, if your attempt wasn't so transparent.

posted April 26, 2010 04:23 PM         

as to the hannity clip, i heard that on the radio several weeks ago on my way into the city...clinton's speech was 3 days ago. in other words, for those who don't want to do math, hannity's mcveigh wannabe comment PRECEDED clinton's speech, and i don't think from what i heard that clinton said the tea partiers were mcveigh wannabes but that the rightwing fringers were creating a similar atmosphere to what was going on at that time.

nice try if it weren't so transparent...

posted April 26, 2010 06:58 PM         

What do you mean racist voting block? There was no racist voting black.

How do you know I would claim racism if 95 percent of whites voted for McCain? You're just making assumptions without even knowing me.

I am not even black. I am multiracial Black,White,Hispanic,and Native American. I identified myself as that on both 2000 and 2010 Census.

I also didn't vote for Obama because he is black. I voted for him because I preferred him because he is a liberal and a democrat. I saw him as an optimistic,idealistic,intelligent,inspirational person who wanted to help a lot of people and help USA be a better nation.

Obama is not just black. He is also part white. He has a white mother,and a black father. That wasn't even a factor in my vote though.

I don't believe in the one drop rule.

The whole "one person can be only one race" is ludicrous.

"You claim to be a Liberal but you voted for a far left radical Marxist Socialist who is in no way, a Liberal."

I am a liberal, but I didn't vote for a far left radical Marxist Socialist. He is not even that. That's just your opinion.

"Your real intent here is to stop the well deserved criticism of O'Bomber...and that in itself is not a Liberal trait, it's Illiberal."

No.....I am tired of all the generalizing that goes on in forum. I am tired of people given a hard time for having different views from other people. Just because you have a view doesn't mean that everybody else's is wrong.

Too many people are like that,and that's why we have so much intolerance of diversity on our planet. That's the worst problem of all.

Also after the stuff that you just told me,
I am not even going bother to have any more discussions with you.

You're one of the most judgmental,discordant,divisive,extremist ideological person that I have ever met on any forum.

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posted April 26, 2010 10:40 PM         

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as to the hannity clip, i heard that on the radio several weeks ago on my way into the city...clinton's speech was 3 days ago. in other words, for those who don't want to do math, hannity's mcveigh wannabe comment PRECEDED clinton's speech...katatonic

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Clinton's speech was made on April 15th and Hannity was responding to what Kommander Korruption said...on the 15th, not 3 days ago.

Clinton Compares Tea Party To McVeigh
By CARL HULSE
April 15, 2010

WASHINGTON — With the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing approaching, former President Bill Clinton on Thursday drew parallels between the antigovernment tone that preceded that devastating attack and the political tumult of today, saying government critics must be mindful that angry words can stir violent actions....

“There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview, saying that Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the Oklahoma City bombing, and those who assisted him, “were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.”.......

“Because of the Internet, there is this vast echo chamber and our advocacy reaches into corners that never would have been possible before,” said Mr. Clinton, who said political messages are now able to reach those who are both “serious and seriously disturbed.” ......

Mr. Clinton pointed to remarks like those made Thursday by Representative Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota Republican, who when speaking at a Tea Party rally in Washington characterized the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “the gangster government.”.....
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/clinton-compares-tea-party-to-mcveigh

So, not only does Kommander Korruption suggest a Tea Party connection with Timothy McVeith, he further insults them with a reference to people who...“were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.”

Yet, it was Kommander Korruption himself who demonized talk radio after the Oklahoma City bombing that was in direct retaliation for what Clinton and Reno did at Waco. That retaliation happened on the anniversary of the Waco attack which burned about 80 people to death...about half were children.

posted April 26, 2010 11:32 PM         

care to show me how a speech clinton made on april 15th had been made before that for hannity to ridicule?

“There can be real consequences when what you say animates people who do things you would never do,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview, saying that Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the Oklahoma City bombing, and those who assisted him, “were profoundly alienated, disconnected people who bought into this militant antigovernment line.”

clinton is not comparing mcveigh to the tea partiers, but he is pointing out that there are plenty of nutjobs out there who will be "inspired" by the over the top talk to DO SOMETHING about it, like mcveigh did, like the man who shot the abortion doctor did, etc.

posted April 27, 2010 08:04 AM         

You mean a racial group of people who vote 95% for a candidate of their own race when candidates of other races are on the ballot isn't racist? This racist voting group is stuffed full of stone racists and if you persist in your denials, I'll trot them out and name them..one by one.

Of all the members here Glaucus, in fact of all the people I have knowledge of, you are the most focused on race of any of them. You view every event through the lens of race. So, if 95% of whites had voted for McCain, you most certainly would have cried racism.

I don't give a flip about your race or ethnicity or O'Bomber's nor do I care about percentages in blood. I assume it's red like everyone elses and falls into the same blood types as whites. Mine's type O.

I doubt you could define Liberal Glaucus but your comments over time here show you are not a Liberal.

This is one of the brilliant facets of a Liberal Glaucus:

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

As for O'Bomber, he's no Liberal. He's the most radical prez ever elected and his own actions...both in speeches before and after the election and in his actions in office mark him as a Marxist Socialist with a large measure of Fascism thrown in....which is exactly what one would expect given his friends, associates and mentors both political and religious.

posted April 27, 2010 11:18 AM         

these people who say clinton called them mcveigh wannabees have no evidence to back them up. if they do perhaps you would care to show it and not quotes that say nothing of the kind?

as for racist voters, they exist on both sides of the fence and no one is denying that. unless you are pretending there are no WHITE racists in this country? but the fact that glaucus is not white and supports obama is to you proof of racism? is just as racist.

posted April 27, 2010 01:39 PM         

You don't know me.

I don't look at everything with a race lense. I am very interested in sociology,and race relations is part of it. Racism is still a problem in USA. Racial prejudice is a problem here in Sacramento, and it was my mother that pointed that out to me. Just because I am aware of that doesn't mean that I see everything in a racial lense. I am a racial minority overall,and so I am not a white person. I know what it's like to grow up being called "nigger" and telling me that my hair is nappy by some people that were white. I know what it's like to be called "retard" when I was in special education by some white boys even though I have above average intelligence like many neurodivergents do. Blacks are often misplaced in special education classrooms compared to other children,and that's fact. Many blacks are misdiagnosed as schizophrenic too. Blacks tend to be more racially profiled compared to others. Studies show that they are punished more severely for certain crimes to other races,and that includes even drug offenses. I grew up with a racially mixed stepfather who also dealt with racism, and he was a person that is racially conscious too. My mother who is white knew what it was like to be called a "nigger" too because her half-siblings by darkskinned. She and I knew what it was like to be given dirty looks for being an interracial mother-child. The last time I was called a nigger was in 2006 by a Greek guy because I wouldn't lend him any money,and this guy was supposed to be very spiritual. He was a fellow Pisces Moon born on the 29th day like myself. Before that,I was called a "nigger" in 2004 in an astrology chatroom by a white guy who lives in Florida. It really hurt too. He called me that after I confronted him about calling some arabs "sand niggers" I didn't believe in racial slurs against nor any other types of people. As a person with Portuguese and Spanish ancestry,I am very sure that I have the blood of Moors and Berbers flowing in my veins. I got annoyed by some whites referring to Filipinos as "flips" and other racial slurs. I have half Filipino cousins. I also grew up with half Japanese stepsisters. I got irritated with people who were racially prejudiced against Asians.

Another thing, I am aware of racism that some blacks and some others of other racial minorities against whites. In the navy, I almost got into a fight with a black co-worker who told me that white women with black men get men because of sexual stuff and not love. It enraged me because I felt like he insulted relationship between my parents. I was also romantically attracted to a woman that was white. I was also told by a white co-worker that only fat white women get with black men too. I was angered when blacks referred to white people as "crackers" too.

Any ways being racially conscious doesn't make anybody racist. I don't hate people of any race nor do I believe in racial superiority. I also believed that all races are equal. I always strived for a multiracial identity in a country where I tend to be pinned down as black. Not one race is superior nor is one race inferior. I was one of only 2.4 percent of the US population that identified as multiracial in 2000.

I am liberal

I do believe in "to each, his/her own"
I don't believe anybody should be attacked,talk down to, being called "stupid",idiot" or other negative things just because somebody has alternative views. I am tired of all that stuff. That's what my original post was about.

I never told anybody in this forum that I am right,and the other person is wrong. I am tolerant of diversity in all things. I believe that intolerance of diversity is the main problem on our planet.

I believe in homosexual rights including homosexual marriage. I grew up with an empathy with homosexuals. Because I didn't fit male stereotypes and had strong feminine traits, I got picked on and accused of being homosexual. I was called "fag","faggot" when I was in high school, in the navy, and in chatrooms. I also have relatives that are homosexual, and so that made me to sympathize with the homosexual causes too. Homosexual people shouldn't be treated as second class citizens. They don't have all their rights. They can't marry each other in a vast majority of states here in USA. They can't even serve in the military openly. They would even have a chance to run for government office. I'd would vote for a homosexual governor,president whether male or female.

I believe that church and state should be separate, and so people's religious beliefs shouldn't infringe on the rights of others. USA is not a Christian nation. It's a multi-faith nation. People of any religious faith can become president of the United States. There is no law against having a non-Christian president. I would vote for a Muslim president. I would vote for a Jewish president. I would vote for a Pagan president. My own religious,spiritual beliefs fit with Neo-paganism,New Age,New Thought,Unitarian Universalism. I am a member of an interfaith unity church.

I believe in women's rights. I believe in Pro-Choice. With my own strong feminine traits, how can I not? I believe that a woman has a right to choose to have a baby or not. However, I do believe in personal responsibility too. I don't support women sleeping around and just getting pregnant,and then thinking that they can end the pregnancy. However,I won't condemn them in any way. I am the son of a woman that had me at 17 years old. She had my half brother at 15 years old. None of us were planned pregnancies. I wouldn't want any future kids of mine to have sex until after they turned 18. I didn't have sex until I was 22. I wanted to wait until I got married. I only lost my virginity so I can fit in with my shipmates. I was tired of being different. I always grew up being different in some way to the point that I got picked on and treated like an outsider.

I believe that there are lot of racial disparities,and I can't see how people can deny that. However, I don't believe in affirmative action. I don't believe that blacks nor other racial minorities should get hired nor be chosen to go a certain college because of race. I definitely wouldn't support slavery reparations. I believe that would cause much racial resentment,and we already have more than enough of that here in USA. I already talked about that in another forum.

A lot of people complain about people on welfare and people not getting jobs as well as being lazy. I read people talk down about poor people. There is a problem. The Education system has been flawed since the 1790's. It's mainly auditory sequential teaching methods, and most students actually prefer a visual spatial approach. Teaching would involve the use of pictures,text,audio,video,and hands-on that's adaptive to multiple styles of learning. I believe that education reform is strongly needed. Schools should be a multisensory learning environment. That would cut down on the drop-out rate,unemployment,and even crime. It's a fact that a lot of people with problems with learning,reading are at high risk for those things. It doesn't matter what socioeconomic background,race,nor sex.

At least, I formed a nonprofit organization so I can help make our country a better place for my fellow neurodivergents to live. I am tired of people getting labeled and drugged because they don't fit in society's box. There is a lot of unnecessary medicating here in USA, and many neurodivergents are subject to it.
I believe in the Neurodiversity Movement. My nonprofit organization,
Developmental Neurodiversity Association is going to push for education and psychiatric reforms.

I am all about diversity. I live it. I was born from it. I grew up with it. I'd be a fool not to tolerate diversity.

I am not against Republicans. I am not against Democrats. I am not against Independents. I am not against Green Party. I am not against any religious party.

I registered as Democrat,and I do consider myself as a liberal. I am liberal when it comes to many things. That is something that cannot be denied. I am no way near being a far left Marxist socialist though. I certainly didn't vote for one. I voted for a Democrat who is more like a centrist or moderate.

I don't believe in traditional American values. I believe in diverse American values. USA is a flawed country just like many other countries are flawed. The constitution was flawed, and so changes had to be made. Thats why there were 27 amendments to the US Constitution.

I believe that changes in the USA still have to be made, and it goes way beyond electing a multiracial president. Barack Obama can't bring about change. It has to be all of us. I didn't vote for Obama for change of race in the office. I voted for Obama for change in politics. I wasn't going to vote for 4 more years of Bush policies. I wasn't going to vote for a candidate who wanted to reverse Roe vs. Wade and do away with pro-choice. I wasn't going to vote for a person who was going to continue with the Bush tax cuts which were unfair to begin with.

I am not sorry that I don't share your views. I wouldn't want to. I could never see myself being a Republican nor conservative. That's just not me. Too many of my beliefs are liberal, and they are based on tolerance of diversity.

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