posted October 16, 2011 11:24 PM            

Election Day 2012

Here are the transits (if you can't see em clearly on the chart) for next election day,
Sun 14 Scorp
Moon 12 Leo, est.
Mercury 4 Sadge
Venus 11 Libra
Mars 22 Sagittarius
Jupiter 14 Gemini
Saturn 3 Scorpio
Uranus 5 Aries
Neptune 0 Pisces
Pluto 7 Capricorn
NN 26 Scorpio
Chiron 5 Pisces

Inauguration 2009

Election Day 2008

Here are the transits for election day 2008
Sun 12 Scorp
Moon 28 Capricorn, est.
Mercury 0 Scorp
Venus 20 Sadge
Mars 21 Scorpio
Jupiter 17 Capricorn
Saturn 18 Virgo
Uranus 18 Pisces
Neptune 21 Aquarius
Pluto 29 Sadge
NN 13 Aquarius
Chiron 16 Aquarius

We know that his election was based on hope, change, a backlash against the war on Irag/republican greed/the economy failing as result of housing crisis, which brings up themes of Neptune/Jupiter/Aquarius/7th, all these play a strong role in his chart as the face of a mediator, a balanced individual, an idealist, someone with a lot of talk but not so much action (or perceived force) which could be a fair assessment of his presidency, but republicans also worked hard to make sure his accomplishments were few. So looking at the charts, past election vs. next, what is your prediction? And also why you chose yay or nay? Who cares if you get it wrong, I still think it's fun to see his trajectory in the political sphere from an astro perspective.

I wonder if we can point to that Mars/Neptune conjunction as one factor for his perceived ineffectiveness? That combination also points to charisma. Also had Neptune conj his ASC on election day, during that time period before too, and still has it going through his 1st.

posted October 16, 2011 11:42 PM            

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When the Chiron return arrives, it can be an evolutionary leap. The person can now take off, and fulfill his or her purpose on earth. BUT, for many, it is too difficult. For many, the leap is not made.

Just as in the period around the child’s birth, at the Chiron return, the world is contending with problems that relate to Chiron’s current neighbors with anxieties in these areas; news reporters discussing related world issues; listen to co-workers discussing their difficulties in these areas. In other words, at the time of the Chiron return, the person is in effect coming home. What s/he has spent a lifetime dealing with, trying to resolve, trying to learn, is now plaguing everyone around the world. What will anybody do?

When Chiron makes ANY transit, the person can at least for a brief moment enter Chiros---the time outside of chronological time. At the Chiron return this no longer is an option---the person finds self forced into Chiros, maybe once, maybe several times. While these moments may be brief, they are now unavoidable.

The person looks around and sees others trying to overcome difficulties that s/he has spent a lifetime trying to deal with. People seem distraught, perplexed and confused. Yet, to the person having the Chiron return, many of the answers seem obvious---many of the problems easy to solve.

Now for Chiros. Major decision time. Should one help others with what one has learned ? Should the Chiron-return individual become a guru, a teacher, or even become the mentor for a younger individual ? Should the person begin to try to counsel others ? OR, will the person attempt to make a profit from his or her knowledge and experience, becoming a creature of the material world, and selling the information ? OR, will the person, perhaps, close up and withdraw, and not even try to help another?

No matter how one has lived up to this point, even if one has led a totally selfish or materialistic existence, one can now make that evolutionary leap. Note the word ‘can’, please. One has the greater free will under Chiros than under ordinary chronological time---but still one must make the choice.

For some people, the return is a very critical time in personal terms. They may develop a major illness, or a serious life-crisis. But even when the Chiron return comes on with such force, the purpose is the same. This crisis gives a major opportunity to make a major decision. Out of such crises comes great awareness, and the potential to become a truly gifted teacher, or even healer.

The story does not end here, of course. A few years later, and the person will experience his or her second Saturn return. What has occurred at the Chiron return will often set the course for what is to happen at the Saturn return.

To clarify this: if, at the Chiron return, one has made the leap to sharing the fruits of one’s experience with those in need, then the Saturn return may be seen as the closing of one chapter in life, and the beginning of a new one. It will be seen as a stepping up, and life will be viewed as being truly grand.

But, if one did not step up at the Chiron return---if one chose a path of selfishness instead of a path of light---AND, one did not rectify this course during the years since the Chiron return---the Saturn return will generally be experienced as a great weight, and as the beginning of the downhill portion of one’s life.

As I said at the end of the previous chapter---if you are not subject to the Saturnian consciousness, you will not have your time sense shaped by the state of your body and its metabolism.

This should tell you that at the Chiron return one should work to develop an awareness of Chiros and learn to live in the ‘Now’, in order for the years after the Saturn return to be truly fulfilling and not years of deterioration.

At the Chiron return some people may feel rather superior to those around them, and quite self-justified. ‘See, just as I have been saying all along’, might be their attitude. Or they may feel that the ‘know it all’ in the areas of their natal Chiron sign. Such individuals can be heard saying, ‘Now, you must do it this way.’ Attitudes like this are not those that lead to taking the giant step upwards. They tend to irritate the very people whom the Chiron-return person is trying to help.

The most positive aspect of this time in life is achieved by linking the higher nature of the two signs which are frequently linked to Chiron: Libra [truly perceiving those you are helping as being your equals, not, inferiors, as well as looking at each teaching experience as your own learning experience, as well], and Sagittarius [sharing the knowledge and wisdom you have acquired, trying to share the true meaning of each experience, and wanting to understand what is going on in the minds of other people]. Perhaps we cannot say that Chiron has rulership over these, or any signs. But there is a definite affinity between Chiron and the signs Libra and Sagittarius.

The ancients had a definite awareness of the connection between liberation from Saturn---and the time around age fifty. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Leviticus 25:8-11, we find the following: ‘And thou shalt number seven Sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then thou shalt cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound through all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof; it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you.....’ [There is more,. but this is the main part]. As you can see, every fifty years all slaves had to be freed, and liberty became the most important thing.

And in each person’s life, the opportunity to achieve freedom from the Saturnian past, and freedom from anxiety about the Uranian future, comes around the fiftieth year---at the Chiron return. UNLESS, of course, one has opened up and truly embraced the principles of Chiron before the return arrives.

Wherever you have your natal Chiron, you tend to be most unaligned with any party or group---most on your own unique path. So you can see that, when Chiron returns, events and circumstances will focus attention on your particular path and stimulate your individualistic approach to the affairs of Chiron’s natal house. Thus, Chiron as the door opener, opening up to your own special destiny. The Chiron return often brings about an awakening to your own singular purpose.

It can be a time of great power. You can overcome the most frustrating limitations now---the most mind-boggling obstacles. The house Chiron occupies indicates the area from whence the potential power can be drawn---and during the Chiron return you have the greatest potential to control and utilize this great power.

Chiron is often viewed as a way to TAP the power of this natal house, and at the return, the potential exists to turn the tap wide open. But consider carefully how you handle this power. The best way, it seems, is:

1. Consider exactly in what ways you have let Saturn restrict you. How have you felt really secure behind some wall, so that you did not venture out into the world ? Where have you ignored, or repressed, chances for growth?
2. Watch for ways to take true steps outside of your walls---they will be coming at the Chiron return.
3. Look for ways to be of real help to others, who can profit from your experience. But do it with light, not force and ego.
4. And, most important, learn to live in the NOW. If Chiron is tied into the universal light, and this light comes from the Creator of all things, then the light must exist in past, present and future. If you live for today, the other two will take care of themselves. 2 Corinthians 3:17---‘Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty’.
You might like to take example from a few people who made the giant step, accomplishing great things at or near their Chiron returns:

William Booth founded the Salvation Army
Howard Carter opened the tomb of Tutankhamen, often considered the greatest find in archaeological history
George Stephenson opened the first practical passenger railway in the world
Charles Darwin published The Origin of the Species
Henry Ford introduced the concept of the assembly line into his factory
Henry Kissinger became Secretary of State and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Gerhard Schmatz became the oldest person to climb to the top of Mt. Everest
Samuel Cunard established the first regular trans-Atlantic steamship service
William Faulkner won the Nobel Prize for Literature
Ernest Heinkel made the first successful flight by jet plane

In closing this chapter, I must state that it is NOT over for those past their Chiron return who have not made that major jump. The lessons of Chiron can be learned at any age. The first step is to try to get into your own personal Chiron, and the next step is to try to learn the meaning of Chiros. If you learn to live in the present, age itself will cease to be a factor.
Barbra Streisand won a 10-year film and recording contract estimated at $60 million.
Hermann Hesse wrote Steppenwolf, which dealt with man's double nature.
P. L. Guinand, a Swiss inventor, patented a new method for making optical glass.
Maya Angelou served as host to an educational series entitled "Humanities in the Arts", which has become a mainstay telecourse used at colleges around the USA.

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Chiron is at 0 Pisces Rx now,
It entered 5 Pisces direct on May 8th, 2011
stayed at that degree and Rx'd back on June 9th
left 5 Pisces Rx on July 10th
will enter 5 direct Pisces on Feb 22nd, 2012 until March 7th
will Rx back to 5 Pisces on September 29th until November 8th
will enter direct to 5 Pisces on Nov 19th until December 30th, so that will be the last day of 'exact' return.

posted October 17, 2011 03:28 PM            

I am pleasantly impressed with our President.
We may be in for a big surprise with Obama come election time.

posted November 16, 2011 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ The Sun in Libra is his Progressed Sun, not transiting.

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i'm so confused

posted November 16, 2011 08:19 PM            

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posted November 17, 2011 11:18 AM            

For events, I look at solar arcs.

Shankaara, we'd have to look at at least 3 different competitors, and then it gets a bit messy. Who knows, maybe some magic Republican candidate will step forward? Frankly, Mitt Romney is the most qualified but the base won't elect him because he's a Mormon and he doesn't seem to have a clear stance on issues that are important to Republicans (healthcare, abortion, etc). Herman Cain is an idiot, as is Ricky Perry, but Republicans love idiots. Too bad they're unelectable.

posted November 17, 2011 02:02 PM            

And I kinda feel for him, because people elected him and he busts his @$$ trying like hell to improve things and all people do is ignore that and b*tch, b*tch, b*tch. I've even seen people blame him, over and over, for things that were going on long before he was even elected. Then when you actually point that out, they totally ignore that and keep blaming him for it.

posted November 17, 2011 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
So a good transit for Obama can mean that he feels good, but it could be feeling good due to relief that he doesn't have to be president anymore.

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Frankly, Mitt Romney is the most qualified but the base won't elect him because he's a Mormon and he doesn't seem to have a clear stance on issues that are important to Republicans (healthcare, abortion, etc). Herman Cain is an idiot, as is Ricky Perry, but Republicans love idiots. Too bad they're unelectable.

So without looking at the charts at all, and just paying attention to current events, I'd say Obama wins, unless Republicans can get their sh*t together (which I find doubtful).

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posted November 17, 2011 02:39 PM            

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Who cares, your vote doesn't count anyway.. Presidents are hand picked by the elite.

Wake up.

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posted November 18, 2011 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
No, the elite gave Bush his second term!

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posted November 18, 2011 12:26 PM            

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No, the elite gave Bush his second term!

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posted November 18, 2011 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
No, the elite gave Bush his first, and you know how you stop the elite? By not voting for them and their shills in local and state elections. Apathy towards politics and voting gets us nowhere. Might as well hand yourself over to the plutocracy.

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posted November 18, 2011 12:55 PM            

I have to say, that I respect everyone else's opinions and political affiliations. Although I take politics seriously, I would never, ever call a democrat names simply based on the fact that they identify that way. So, I do take offense to "republicans are idiots" etc. I am by no means an idiot and would prefer a serious debate on issues as opposed to name calling. The spirit of this board, I think, is to be respectful of others not disrespectful based on someone's political ideology. I come to this board because of a shared interest in astrology not to be put down because my politics may differ from others here. Just needed to say my peace. Thanks.