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posted July 17, 2012 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even a Nasa climate scientist agrees (although the voodoo alarmists have to chime in with their double speak).
http://news.yahoo.com/does-tree-ring-study-put-chill-global-warming-170718316.html

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posted July 17, 2012 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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    However, the study actually does none of the above. "Our study doesn't go against anthropogenic global warming in any way," (As I suspected/expected -AG) said Robert Wilson, a paleoclimatologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a co-author of the study, which appeared July 8 in the journal Nature Climate Change. The tree rings do help fill in a piece of Earth's complicated climate puzzle, he said. However, it is climate change deniers who seem to have misconstrued the bigger picture.

    That Scandinavia may have been slightly warmer in the 11th century than today also doesn't change the fact that the world, as a whole, is warmer now. "This data is spatially specific. You would expect to see this trend in northern Scandinavia, but not in the Alps," Wilson said. "Almost all models show that the current global warming is probably warmer overall than that warming."

    But Wilson, Schmidt (Schmidt is the NASA scientist) and the vast majority of climate scientists agree: human-caused warming of the entire globe now overwhelms those subtle, regional heat redistributions. World temperatures are now pushing in only one direction: up.

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posted July 17, 2012 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I said, the proponents chimed in.

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posted July 17, 2012 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article didn't suggest what you thought it did.

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posted July 17, 2012 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it did. Read the first half again....and then further down to what the NASA scientist admitted (marginal heresy) before falling back in line.

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posted July 17, 2012 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When dealing with the double speak of voodoo practitioners, one has to read between the lines. On the one hand, they admit that the earth has been warmer before (something they have always denied and tried to substantiate with false data), but they attribute it to volcanic activity in the article. Then, today, when the earth is not even as warm, they claim volcanic activity alone is not a factor. What? You can't believe anything these junk science religionists say. These are the same people who have as a group lied to us for years saying that the earth is warmer now, and then now when presented with new data they backtrack with an honest admission for a change and then more BS. Anything to save the crumbling hypothesis and save their jobs and funding. And, as Climategate has shown, these priests of the movement are not well-meaning purveyors of knowledge, but instead they are intentionally engaging in mass fraud and conspiring with each other to do so.

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posted July 18, 2012 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted from both the first half and the second half. Throughout the article they say that the new research says nothing that disagrees with the longstanding consensus on current global warming.

Most of what you've otherwise posted is not proven fact. Making someone that follows the science out as anything other than one who follows science is absurd.

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posted July 18, 2012 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not science. That humans can affect global climate change is absurd.

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posted July 18, 2012 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There no rationality behind saying that it's not science. Scientists are the ones measuring the climate. Scientists are the ones coming up with the justification for why things happen as they do. The best you can do is say that you don't believe science has made all of the relevant discoveries yet. All this nonsense about "junk science" and "religionists" is wishful thinking.

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These are the same people who have as a group lied to us for years saying that the earth is warmer now, and then now when presented with new data they backtrack with an honest admission for a change and then more BS.

That is not an accurate account of what has happened. That is a total fabrication of what's happened.

The climate is FACTUALLY warmer now. We're still in the hottest decade on Earth. Nothing has changed where the current global climate is concerned.

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And, as Climategate has shown, these priests of the movement are not well-meaning purveyors of knowledge, but instead they are intentionally engaging in mass fraud and conspiring with each other to do so.

This is also not a FACTUAL accounting.

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posted July 18, 2012 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once you distort data to support a hypothesis, you cease to be a scientist. And honest scientists also get duped due to the faulty measuring stations (see article below).

faulty or corrupted data + manipulated data = junk science

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posted July 18, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hottest Decade in History? Maybe Not -

Earth-Based Climate Stations Manipulated

Senator Jim Inhofe's family built a igloo in the snows of Washington, D.C., named it "Al Gore's home," and everywhere around the blogosphere, the Left is furious at the mocking of their idol - and everywhere you can hear the chant: "this was the hottest decade in the history of weather records," and this "freakish" snow storm means nothing. Perhaps these climate change followers do not know that earth-based climate stations have been manipulated and compromised, and there may be absolutely no proof that this is the hottest decade on record.

To start this conversation, let's look at where the world's weather stations in the U.S. are located, and then take a look at how accurate each weather station is considered to be by our own govenment agency. See the many "orange" dots on the map? those equate to the rating key below the map. The "orange" is the 4th key from the left, and shows the number 4. If I understand this correctly, those particular weather station sites yield results rated as "poor," by NOAA. Fifty-eight percent of the stations yield poor results and 11% yield the "worst" results. That's your government at work folks, and just panting to spend your tax money on global warming.

The above information is from SurfaceStation, a research project maintained by Anthony Watts, the owner and editor of Watts Up With That?

There are 1,221 NOAA earth-based climate-monitoring stations in the U.S. Watts recruited a team of more than 650 volunteers to "visually inspect and photographically document" more than 860 of the U.S. stations.

We were shocked by what we found.

We found stations located next to the exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots and roads, on blistering-hot rooftops, and near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat. We found 68 stations located at wastewater treatment plants, where the process of waste digestion causes temperatures to be higher than in surrounding areas.

In fact, we found that 89 percent of the stations – nearly 9 of every 10 – fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own siting requirements that stations must be 30 meters (about 100 feet) or more away from an artificial heating or radiating/ reflecting heat source.

In other words, 9 of every 10 stations are likely reporting higher or rising temperatures because they are badly sited.

It gets worse. We observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time also has caused them to report a false warming trend. We found major gaps in the data record that were filled in with data from nearby sites, a practice that propagates and compounds errors. We found that adjustments to the data by both NOAA and another government agency, NASA, cause recent temperatures to look even higher.
The conclusion is inescapable: The U.S. temperature record is unreliable.

The errors in the record exceed by a wide margin the purported rise in temperature of 0.7º C (about 1.2º F) during the twentieth century. Consequently, this record should not be cited as evidence of any trend in temperature that may have occurred across the U.S. during the past century. Since the U.S. record is thought to be “the best in the world,” it follows that the global database is likely similarly compromised and unreliable.

No wonder Watts was shocked. I'm not a scientist, but from reading his report, Is the U.S. Temperature Record Reliable? There is much I can understand just from a common sense stand point. Watts started his investigation with 3 weather sites close to his home, and here's what he found (in my words, not his):

Some weather stations, going back to 1890, and still used today, are known as a Stevenson Screen. The Stevenson Screen is a wooden box, set on stilts, with wooden slat doors on the front, and slats on at least the sides. Until 1979, the boxes were painted with a specific whitewash which was a "commonoutdoor coating of that era. When dry, it "leaves a pure white coating of calcium carbonate on the wood surface."

In 1979 the National Weather Service (NWS) change the whitewash to a simigloss latex paint. By simulating the stations with his own purchased Stevenson Screens - one untreated wood, one the same lime whitewash used for years, and one painted with the semigloss latex, he found a significant difference in temperature: 0.3 deg.F in max temp and 0.8 degF in min temp between the whitewash and the semigloss screens.

This is a big difference, especially when we consider that the concern over anthropogenic global warming was triggered by what these stations reported was an increase of about 1.2º F over the entire twentieth century.

Then Watts set out to see how many of the NWS met the mandated requirement to move to semigloss latex paint. Of three stations close to his home, he found each had latex paint...at least one had several coats. One had two screens, one of which was converted to automated radio reporting. According to Watts, the device was situated improperly, "just inches from the temperature sensor, inside the screen," which would show a higher temp than the actual temp. The second Stevenson Screen had the several coats of latex but seem positioned well, but the third, was positioned improperly - with warm exhause air from a nearby cell phone tower blowing on the temperature sensor.

I realized this official thermometer was recording the temperature of a hot zone near a large parking lot and other biasing influences including buildings, air conditioner vents, and masonry.
From this research beginning at stations close to his home, Watts went on to conduct a review of 860 out of 1,221 stations. The results are in pdf, complete with photos showing stations positioned next to, or in, heat-producing areas.

Here is a direct link to this very informative report. You can find the weather stations closest to your own home.

Recently, the United Nation's Intergovernmental Climate Change Panel (IPCC) has been shown to be deceptive on their reports on climate change. They have reported that half of the Netherlands are below sea level, which is untrue, reported icebergs melting within the next 20 years - based on no authorative data, and of course, there is ClimateGate showing the manipulation and hiding of data that shows cooling - known as Hide the Decline.

This takes us back to Anthony Watts, and earth-based weather stations, as opposed to weather satellites which have shown the earth cooling since 2001. This from Watts:

There used to be 6,000 measuring posts, they say, but now there are just 1,500. A number of weather stations in colder areas like Siberia and the Arctic were dismantled, while the remaining stations were in more moderate zones. As a consequence, data from colder areas was no longer used in the calculations.

D'Aleo and Watts also point to discrepancies between terrestrial and satellite measurements. Satellite weather stations report that the temperature of the earth's atmosphere has remained stable, with a slight fall since 2001.

Earth-based weather stations report an increase in warmth which, according to the two Americans, reflects the process of urbanisation. Measuring posts that used to be in remote rural areas have gradually been surrounded by roads, buildings or industry, all of which produce heat.

Anthony Watts is a former 25-year on-air television meteorologist, and currently operates a weather technology and contents business. He continues daily forecasting on radio.

My point is, we cannot trust the people connected to the IPCC - wherever they may be located across the globe. They will include no one on their panel with a divergent viewpoint. They refuse to release pertinent data, even when required to do so under the Freedom of Information Act, and we must consider, that really, this is all about the money.
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2010/02/hottest-decade-in-history-maybe-not.html

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posted July 18, 2012 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Climategate:
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2009/11/climategate-data-global-warming-bullies.ht ml

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posted July 18, 2012 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know that your first article is about NOAA's outdated weather station set, right? Have you heard of USHCN Version 2 (This network was designed with the highest standards for climate monitoring and has none of the siting and instrument exposure problems present in USHCN.)? Are you aware that the NOAA is all over this issue itself? I imagine they have to be in order to deal with all the conspiracy theorists on the Right. At some point, it has to cross your mind that the conspiracy is actually with the camp that you back.

Scientists LOVE to be whistle-blowers. No one likes making scientists out as frauds as other scientists. With this in mind, it's strange that there's so LITTLE skepticism regarding climate change on the part of the actual scientific community that deals with climate.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/#menne.et.al.2010
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/

We've been over "Climategate" emails. Materially, nothing of any significance happened. The science remained the same.

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posted July 18, 2012 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've discussed this issue ad nauseum in the past. There is virtually nothing new for you to bring to the table on this that's going to change anyone's minds here. In fact, you've personally gone so overboard in your attempt to display credibility that you look ridiculous.

The climate is warmer these days. That's not a matter that's rationally up for dispute. Worldwide measurements confirm the warmth.

The only breakthrough that is available to you is one that hasn't happened: a credible, well-respected scientist from the community of scientists that actually study the climate comes forth with an alternate theory that is more plausible than the "manmade" aspect that is accepted currently. Until such a thing happens, deniers are dead in the water as far as I'm concerned.

Jwhop posted this new study as evidence that science has been wrong, but then you disproved Jwhop's notion by posting the scientist's own opinions on whether their study served to undo the current theory about manmade global warming. It didn't. Nothing changed. The science still says that there's manmade global warming. I'll revisit when the next credible scientific discovery is made.

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posted July 18, 2012 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you mean is nothing is going to change your mind; nor am I trying to. I am posting for those who have believed what they were told unquestioningly and presenting them with a different perspective.

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posted July 18, 2012 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many people would that be? Hence, my point.

No, I do believe I am the prize if someone is able to come up with something relevant on global warming. The recent study Jwhop posted is absolutely relevant, BUT it didn't disprove climate science of today.

The information you're putting out is disinformation more likely to have a more negative impact than the actual science provides.

EVERYONE is able to research this stuff for themselves, and anyone that does so via reasonable means will find your info to be out of step with scientific concensus.

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posted July 18, 2012 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many NOAA scientists are there? I'm afraid that the concensus is quite different than you would like to believe.

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True, AG, Climategate didn't change the "science." But it showed the bias of the lead scientists of the movement, and that says a lot about their "data" and ultimately their credibility. That's why it's going to court and why some were fired.

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posted July 19, 2012 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the concensus is not quite different than I'd like to believe. You follow a Conservative conspiracy and believe that it justifies your position when it doesn't. Scientists around the world agree with NOAA.

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But it showed the bias of the lead scientists of the movement, and that says a lot about their "data" and ultimately their credibility

That's a patently false statement. Their science was proven correct by entities around the world. There is no credibility issue on their part. The credibility issue is with the deniers.

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posted July 19, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone who reads the e-mails can see the bias.

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posted July 19, 2012 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And anyone who reads the results of the investigation as to whether the science was materially manipulated will find that it wasn't. The conclusions are still the same.

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