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katatonic
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posted August 23, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.upworthy.com/want-to-see-fox-news-lose-all-its-credibility-in-93-seconds?c=cp2

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posted August 23, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people say...Fox News is the most trusted source for news in the United States...in fact, more people say that about Fox News than any other news source..broadcast or cable, in the United States...and by a wide margin!

Nice try, but no cookie.

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posted August 24, 2012 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not "trying" anything, jwhop, just advertising the fact that SOME PEOPLE SAY different things from you and the rest of FOX's brainwashed followers.

so sorry that what "some people say" is what you actually call news. murdoch had your number, didn't he?

gossip and malicious rumour have always been with us, of course, but a great deal of money has gone into the spreading of innuendo and calling it fact since murdoch started his empire.

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posted August 24, 2012 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Some people say...Fox News is the most trusted source for news in the United States...in fact, more people say that about Fox News than any other news source..broadcast or cable, in the United States...and by a wide margin!

Funny! The same poll that found Fox News trusted the most also found them trusted the least, and that Democrats and independents don't trust Fox News. I guess that would make the entirety of the positive results for Fox a construct of Conservatives (who naturally don't have an alternative news station that's going to lean as far to the right).

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posted August 24, 2012 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some people say that Foxxy is fair and balanced.

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posted August 24, 2012 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
off topic
~*~
Dave Letterman (in referencing the Hurricane headed for the Republican Convention) remarked:

this proves that mother nature is indeed a woman.

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posted August 24, 2012 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe they're ensuring themselves better coverage. I heard this morning that they're going to move Ann Romney's speech based upon whether they can garner a national network to cover Monday or not.

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posted August 24, 2012 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Some people say...Fox News is the most trusted source for news in the United States...in fact, more people say that about Fox News than any other news source..broadcast or cable, in the United States...and by a wide margin!

Nice try, but no cookie.


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posted August 24, 2012 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well if listening to negativity makes you stupid, i understand why people get addicted to the "news" pundits and commentators...but i for one am going cold turkey!

i suggest all you rush addicts TAKE SIX WEEKS OFF LISTENING TO HIM...and see how it feels!

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posted August 26, 2012 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No takers for a six week abstinence program.

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posted August 26, 2012 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't try to weasel around the facts.

Fox News IS the most trusted News source in the United States..by a wide margin. As much angst as that causes leftists, it's still true.

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posted August 26, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
well if listening to negativity makes you stupid, i understand why people get addicted to the "news" pundits and commentators...but i for one am going cold turkey!

i suggest all you rush addicts TAKE SIX WEEKS OFF LISTENING TO HIM...and see how it feels!



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posted August 26, 2012 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Node:
No takers for a six week abstinence program.


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posted August 27, 2012 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i realize the panic that might instill, ami. what would you do without your daily injection of hatred of half the country? how would you know what the left are plotting TODAY?

i managed to listen to him for more than 6 weeks. but that's okay, you don't have to put your money where your mouth is. that is for PEONS.

however you just prove one more time that YOU fulfill your own definition of SHEEPLE. lost without their LEADER. do you think the world would cave in if you couldn't look to rush for a topic of the day?

clue for you: everything he talks about comes from the DRUDGE REPORT. that is accessible without going through another party...

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posted August 27, 2012 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't weasling around facts, Jwhop. They are exactly as I said.

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posted August 27, 2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i realize the panic that might instill, ami. what would you do without your daily injection of hatred of half the country? how would you know what the left are plotting TODAY?

i managed to listen to him for more than 6 weeks. but that's okay, you don't have to put your money where your mouth is. that is for PEONS.

however you just prove one more time that YOU fulfill your own definition of SHEEPLE. lost without their LEADER. do you think the world would cave in if you couldn't look to rush for a topic of the day?

clue for you: everything he talks about comes from the DRUDGE REPORT. that is accessible without going through another party...


I can always count on you for comic relief

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posted August 27, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes the best humour carries the truth within, doesn't it?

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posted August 27, 2012 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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yes the best humour carries the truth within, doesn't it?



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posted August 30, 2012 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's this where FOX says it's their right to lie:
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/

Anyway, I wanted to add:
http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5


The relevant part is that people who watched no news at all still did better than FOX viewers when answering questions about national and international affairs.

But the part that made me laugh (the REAL reason I wanted to share) was how those who primarily got their info from the Daily Show (a parody, similar to the Onion, though Stewart typically does mostly restrict himself to mocking the reality rather than parodying it, so it can still be informative) did better than those who primarily watched CNN, MSNBC, etc (let alone FOX). I tend to laugh about these things but I can understand if it makes others want to cry about how compromised our media is by the big businesses that own them (along with the politicians in both major parties).

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posted August 30, 2012 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can't get the link to work, does it quote murdoch saying "there is no law that says the NEWS has to be FACTUAL?"

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posted August 30, 2012 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which link isn't working?

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posted August 30, 2012 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From FOX News can legally lie (the first link):

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CMW REPORT, Spring 2003
Title: “Court Ruled That Media Can Legally Lie”
Author: Liane Casten

ORGANIC CONSUMER ASSOCIATION, March 7, 2004
Title: “Florida Appeals Court Orders Akre-Wilson Must Pay Trial Costs for $24.3 Billion Fox Television; Couple Warns Journalists of Danger to Free Speech, Whistle Blower Protection”
Author: Al Krebs

Faculty Evaluator: Liz Burch, Ph.D.
Student Researcher: Sara Brunner

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox’s actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury’s words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida’s whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation.” In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a “law, rule, or regulation,” it was simply a “policy.” Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.

During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”

UPDATE BY LIANE CASTEN: If we needed any more proof that we now live in an upside down world, the saga of Jane Akre, along with her husband, Steve Wilson, could not be more compelling.

Akre and Wilson won the first legal round. Akre was awarded $425,000 in a jury trial with well-crafted arguments for their wrongful termination as whistleblowers. And in the process, they also won the prestigious “Goldman Environmental” prize for their outstanding efforts. However, FOX turned around and appealed the verdict. This time, FOX won; the original verdict was overturned in the Appellate Court of Florida’s Second District. The court implied there was no restriction against distorting the truth. Technically, there was no violation of the news distortion because the FCC’s policy of news distortion does not have the weight of the law. Thus, said the court, Akre-Wilson never qualified as whistleblowers.

What is more appalling are the five major media outlets that filed briefs of Amici Curiae- or friend of FOX – to support FOX’s position: Belo Corporation, Cox Television, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., Media General Operations, Inc., and Post-Newsweek Stations, Inc. These are major media players! Their statement, “The station argued that it simply wanted to ensure that a news story about a scientific controversy regarding a commercial product was present with fairness and balance, and to ensure that it had a sound defense to any potential defamation claim.”

“Fairness and balance?” Monsanto hardly demonstrated “fairness and balance” when it threatened a lawsuit and demanded the elimination of important, verifiable information!

The Amici position was “If upheld by this court, the decision would convert personnel actions arising from disagreements over editorial policy into litigation battles in which state courts would interpret and apply federal policies that raise significant and delicate constitutional and statutory issues.” After all, Amici argued, 40 states now have Whistleblower laws, imagine what would happen if employees in those 40 states followed the same course of action?

The position implies that First Amendment rights belong to the employers – in this case the five power media groups. And when convenient, the First Amendment becomes a broad shield to hide behind. Let’s not forget, however; the airwaves belong to the people. Is there no public interest left-while these media giants make their private fortunes using the public airwaves? Can corporations have the power to influence the media reporting, even at the expense of the truth? Apparently so.

In addition, the five “friends” referred to FCC policies. The five admit they are “vitally interested in the outcome of this appeal, which will determine the extent to which state whistleblower laws may incorporate federal policies that touch on sensitive questions of editorial judgment.”

Anyone concerned with media must hear the alarm bells. The Bush FCC, under Michael Powell’s leadership, has shown repeatedly that greater media consolidation is encouraged, that liars like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are perfectly acceptable, that to refer to the FCC interpretation of “editorial judgment” is to potentially throw out any pretense at editorial accuracy if the “accuracy” harms a large corporation and its bottom line. This is our “Brave New Media”, the corporate media that protects its friends and now lies, unchallenged if need be.

The next assault: the Fox station then filed a series of motions in a Tampa Circuit Court seeking more than $1.7 million in trial fees and costs from both Akre and Wilson. The motions were filed on March 30 and April 16 by Fox attorney, William McDaniels-who bills his client at $525 to $550 an hour. The costs are to cover legal fees and trial costs incurred by FOX in defending itself at the first trial. The issue may be heard by the original trial judge, Ralph Steinberg-a logical step in the whole process. However, Judge Steinberg must come out of retirement if he is to hear this, so the hearing, set for June 1, may go to a new judge, Judge Maye.

Akre and her husband feel the stress. “There is no justification for the five stations not to support us,” she said. “Attaching legal fees to whistleblowers is unprecedented, absurd. The ‘business’ of broadcasting trumps it all. These news organizations must ensure they are worthy of the public trust while they use OUR airwaves, free of charge. Public trust is alarmingly absent here.”

Indeed. This is what our corporate media, led by such as Rupert Murdoch, have come to. How low we have fallen


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posted September 01, 2012 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fox News would be on Comedy Central except Comedy Central has more credibility.

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posted September 01, 2012 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 01, 2012 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got familiar with FOX News (and how absurd it got sometimes) when I went to a gym where it was forced on me (when I quit a a couple of years ago I told them I was glad I wouldn't have to be exposed to that anymore), and a few other places.

So then last summer I went to Texas when my granny had a pulmonary embolism. This was the worst heat wave I'd ever experienced, with temperatures exceeding 110F/43.3C. The pond shrunk by several yards/meters and the fires broke out right after I left which made national headlines, and IIRC Perry even had another prayer over it (I don't know why he doesn't learn, it seems every time he prays for something to happen the exact opposite happens within a couple of weeks).

Everyone's tempers were short in this intense heat & drought (which was hurting the family farm) and I bickered with my family on a lot, including some choice words I said about FOX News which angered an uncle of mine who loves and watches it all the time.

So his son Zack (who isn't all that political, though he was angry about a courthouse being forced to take the Confederate flag down and likes the idea of Texas and/or Southern independence and he'd probably identify as Libertarian if he decided to get with a party) asked what I said about FOX news that got his dad upset and part of what I told him (though I didn't say this to his dad earlier) was that FOX news would serve better as a drinking game. That is every time you hear a weasel word or phrase meant to shape opinion rather than to inform or calling Obama something along the lines of a sarcastic "the Anointed One" then take one drink.

Not long after he tried it at his 'rents home who got confused why he was drinking so much when it was still early (technically morning but his 'rents were thinking about lunch, and from what he said I'd guess it was the O'Reilly Show, though just checking I find he's on late so maybe it couldn't have been him unless he had a different time slot back then). Zack said it was so perfect the way Obama kept being called "the anointed one" over and over again (and sometimes he heard it again before he was done taking a Jack Daniels shot which meant he had to take another one again) and then his mom demanded to know what he was doing but he heard "anointed one" again and so had to take another drink before explaining to his 'rents (interrupting to take more shots when he heard "anointed one" again). They said once again I proved a bad influence on him (which Granny finds hilarious since even when I was 14 and Zack 17 and we both lived with Granny she left ME in charge) and he's not allowed back over there until he can treat FOX news with more respect than as a drinking game.

Karma got me, though. He said since I introduced him to a new drinking game I had to join him in one and he made me watch Jackass 3 (he's a huge fan of that show) and every time I closed my eyes or ears I had to take a shot of JD, and when I left the room (as I did once) he filled a glass (small, but definitely more than a shot glass) that I had to drink. I'm not sure which was worse, the parts of Jackass I was made to watch or the whiskey I had to drink to get out of watching parts of it (he said the expressions on my face as I watched it, especially after downing some whiskey, were hilarious). Though there was one scene I found hilarious (no doubt the whiskey helping me to find it so) with the, er, "small" brawlers, cops, and EMTs in a bar but most of the rest of I could've done without seeing. But I'd still rather watch Jackass than O'Reilly talking about lesbians with pink pistols or Glenn Beck weeping again.

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