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posted October 16, 2013 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By: Rmuse
Saturday, October 12th, 2013, 4:37 pm
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/12/koch-brothers-seditious-shutdown -conspiracy-20-years-prison.html

in part:

quote:
“The Koch brothers’ letter claimed they had no part or took no position “on the legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding ObamaCare nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defunding ObamaCare,” but like their Republican lackeys; they are filthy liars. The Koch-funded FreedomWorks issued a letter in February that said, “Conservatives should not approve a CR unless it defunds Obamacare. This includes Obamacare’s unworkable exchanges, unsustainable Medicaid expansion, and attack on life and religious liberty.” If paying a surrogate to demand Republicans and teabaggers tie defunding the Affordable Care Act to keeping the government operating is not taking a position on the government shutdown and the continuing resolution, then the Sun rises in the West and the Earth orbits the moon.

Obviously the bad publicity frightens the Koch brothers and doubtless they are legitimately concerned they will lose influence with their right wing conservative base who are taking a beating in the public sphere for their fervent support of the government shutdown. Likely, the Koch’s are not happy their reputation could be further sullied for backing the extremist wing of the Republican Party led by Michele Bachmann, Ted Cruz, and Steve King who championed the government shutdown strategy to eliminate the health law. It is also likely they did not miss Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s accusations they were behind the shutdown, or the articles, petitions and calls for the Justice Department to investigate them for sedition that never had a snowball’s chance in Hell of touching the Kochs.

However, there is a statute in the U.S. Code that does apply to the Koch brothers and every other conservative that spent the past three years attempting to prohibit implementation of the Affordable Care Act and it is a legitimate and actionable offense the DOJ can prosecute with extreme prejudice. In 18 USC § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy, For the Americans affected by the government shut down, and those who live in Republican states that rejected free Medicaid expansion written in the Affordable Care Act, it is highly likely they would support fining and imprisoning the Koch brothers for twenty years.

The U.S. Code says “if two or more persons” are involved in a conspiracy to oppose the authority of, prevent, hinder, or delay any law they shall be punished and that means that every single Republican, teabagger, conservative media, and libertarian belief tank is in line to be prosecuted for seditious conspiracy by the Department of Justice. Every Republican in the House that voted to tie defunding the Affordable Care Act is part of the conspiracy, and that also applies to Republicans who voted in lockstep to prevent the law’s implementation by tying defunding the law to passing a continuing resolution to open the government.


Author note:

The fact that states voted to arrest federal officials attempting to enforce the health law, coupled with the growing threats of armed violence against the government due to the health law’s enactment meets the definition of “by force” originally omitted in the U.S. Code’s description. By definition, a conspiracy means the planners, inciters, and funders are guilty the same as Osama bin Laden was guilty for recruiting, planning, and funding al Qaeda terrorists who flew commercial airliners into American buildings

the Letter

These are provable offenses. The law is the law. Unfortunately I am not naive enough to think these brothers are not above the law.

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posted October 16, 2013 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But, now that we know that the House and Speaker Boehner have capitulated,
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"There's no good reason for our members to vote 'no,'" Boehner told talk radio host Bill Cunningham.

this should rest right?

Play it as they lay? I think not.

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posted October 16, 2013 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, a later letter played a different fiddle...drop the Obamacare mess and concentrate on defunding Social Security, Medicare and other programs, like the EPA etc that stand in the way of big business.

Oh and the XL pipeline fight too.

They do seem to feel perfectly comfortable telling Congress which way they should vote.

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posted October 16, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
agreed

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posted October 17, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The U.S. Code says “if two or more persons” are involved in a conspiracy to oppose the authority of, prevent, hinder, or delay any law they shall be punished"..Node

Fine, let's snatch O'Bomber out of the White House and punish him under law for failure to faithfully carry out the laws of the United States.

Let's see, he's conspired to not enforce the "Defense of Marriage Act".

He's conspired to not enforce provisions of his own Abomination...O'BomberCare when he waived provisions for Unions and his fat cat buddies in big business by setting aside the provisions of the law requiring business mandates.

Impeach this Marxist Socialist Progressive zero.

Someone has the Koch Obsession!

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posted October 17, 2013 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DOMA...ruled unconstitutional by the SC...waivers = discretionary execution of the law and many of them fictional to boot.

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posted October 17, 2013 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Presidents do not have constitutional authority to change the laws passed by congress and signed into law by presidents.

It's crystal clear O'Bomber unilaterally changed provisions of O'BomberCare to benefit his campaign supporters and big business buddies by exempting them from the mandates.

This is a direct violation of O'Bomber's oath of office...TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.

O'Bomber does not hold any office in the legislative branch of government. He should be impeached for infringing on the legislative authority of the Congress of the United States...and, for failing to faithfully execute the laws of the United States.

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posted October 17, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Presidents do not have constitutional authority to change the laws passed by congress and signed into law by presidents.

It's crystal clear O'Bomber unilaterally changed provisions of O'BomberCare to benefit his campaign supporters and big business buddies by exempting them from the mandates.

This is a direct violation of O'Bomber's oath of office...[b]TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.

O'Bomber does not hold any office in the legislative branch of government. He should be impeached for infringing on the legislative authority of the Congress of the United States...and, for failing to faithfully execute the laws of the United States.[/B]



IMPEACH

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posted October 17, 2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^
Do
stop flaming your "Impeach".

you know quite well, that will never happen.

refrain [also] from your psychobabble please; Particularly in threads that I have started.

Thank you.

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posted October 17, 2013 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether O'Bomber is impeached or not is not the issue.

The Marxist Messiah is very far over the line with numerous impeachable offenses..AND HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED

So should any other president who won't stay within the confines of his/her constitutional authority.

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posted October 17, 2013 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ node

IMPEACH is the new "OFf with their heads"

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posted October 17, 2013 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 17, 2013 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 17, 2013 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless, jwhop, you have read all the law, which I doubt, you do not know that any waivers were BREACHES of said law or not. So...more accusations based on...what?

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posted November 07, 2013 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Economy expands 2.8 percent in third quarter, but consumer spending slows

By Ylan Q. Mui, Updated: Thursday, November 7, 4:52 PM

Even good news comes with a caveat in the nation’s long-simmering economic recovery.

First, the bright side: The U.S. economy grew faster than expected over the summer, according to government data released Thursday. The 2.8 percent annual growth rate is the best showing since last fall.

Now, the downside: Driving the increase was a buildup in business inventories amid slack sales. Heightened uncertainty heading into the government shutdown dampened growth in consumer spending. In addition, the U.S. imported fewer goods, which also inflated the nation’s gross domestic product.

The GDP report is “deceptively weak,” said Alan MacEachin, corporate economist at Navy Federal Credit Union. “You drill down below the surface, and you can see what’s going on.”

The data do not include the direct effects of the shutdown last month. That damage will likely show up in the fourth quarter, and analysts expect it will shave about half a percentage point from economic growth.

The first real glimpse of the shutdown’s impact will come Friday when the government’s monthly tally of employment is released.

MacEachin said he is lowering his forecast for job creation to just 110,000 for October, based on the GDP report. The average estimate is 120,000 jobs — far below the 200,000 needed to fuel a more robust recovery.

“This is not an economy that is firing on all cylinders,” said James Marple, senior economist for TD Economics.

Many economists had hoped that the recovery would reach cruising altitude by the end of this year. But higher interest rates, sluggish job growth and the fiscal follies in Washington have pushed expectations back to early next year — or even later.

American shoppers will play a key role in determining how quickly the economy can bounce back. Consumer spending accounts for roughly two-thirds of GDP, and government data showed the pace of its growth slowing to a 1.5 percent annual rate during the third quarter.

The government shutdown threatens to erode those gains even further. Gallup’s index of consumer confidence plunged 16 points in October, the biggest monthly drop since the poll began in 2008. It has not yet returned to its pre-shutdown levels.

But other data released Thursday suggested that Americans may be more resilient. About three dozen national retailers reported sales at existing stores rose 5 percent in October compared to the same month last year. The analysis by the International Council of Shopping Centers is slightly distorted by Hurricane Sandy last year, but the trade group’s chief economist Michael P. Niemira said the results were still encouraging.

“It would appear that the consumer has come back, just at the right time,” he said.

Meanwhile, housing remained one of the bright spots in the economy despite concerns that higher interest rates might undercut its momentum. Residential investment increased at a 14.6 percent annual rate during the third quarter, on par with the previous three months.

State and local government expenditures increased 1.5 percent, while federal cuts were not as deep as expected.

Keith Hall, senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University and former director of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, said he expects the fiscal crisis to chip away at GDP during the fourth quarter. But since federal workers will receive back pay and no contracts were canceled, most of the loss will be made up early next year.

He noted that the last government shutdown in 1995 shaved about half a percentage point from GDP. But the economy came roaring back the next quarter, nearly doubling its pace of growth. (Let's hope!)

“There’s almost always some catch-up that goes on,” he said. “I’m not sure there’s going to be any real lasting effect.”

Thursday’s data add to the muddled picture of the economy facing the Federal Reserve as it debates whether to keep pumping money into the recovery. The Fed has said it will maintain the stimulus until there is substantial improvement in the outlook for the job market.

Earlier this year, the Fed broached the possibility of dialing back its $85 billion-a-month stimulus program by December. The major U.S. stock market indexes dropped by a percentage point on Thursday as investors worried that such a move could come soon. But many economists do not expect the Fed to act until the spring, after new deadlines for negotiating the federal budget and the government’s borrowing limit have passed.

“The one caveat to expectations for faster economic growth is that political dysfunction has to stay out of the front pages. With any luck, the current budget negotiations will remove some of the more draconian sequestration cuts and help the process along,” Marple said. “Fingers firmly crossed.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/economic-growth-gains-momentum-in-third-quarter-with-28-percent-annual-rate/2013/11/07/7cb463e6-4735-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.htm l

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posted November 08, 2013 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't open the link...

In the last line of your piece the author says "With any luck"

There is no luck involved at all, unfortunately.

The 1% control this country.
The 1% control our economy.
The 1% control our tax laws.
The 1% control our government.

Stocks and Bonds Intangible Property are not taxed.
Tangible Property like, a house, a car, or a boat are.

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posted November 08, 2013 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Whether O'Bomber is impeached or not is not the issue.

The Marxist Messiah is very far over the line with numerous impeachable offenses..[b]AND HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED

So should any other president who won't stay within the confines of his/her constitutional authority.[/B]



Jwhop says it so much better than I


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posted November 08, 2013 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The link is too long. I see the space it put before the very last digit.

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