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Catalina
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posted October 21, 2013 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the price of insurance
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken-broken

Isn't it time the real problems of the worldwere addressed instead of jockeying for position?

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posted October 21, 2013 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It reads like a Stephen King short story...
except it's reality.

Truly horrifying.

Thanks for posting it.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2013 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NoBama does not care about health care. He cares about CONTROL

Dr. Ben Carson( a real Patriot)


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juniperb
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posted October 21, 2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad indeed

It is horrifing to think of a future without bird noise thats been replaced by sounds of debris clunking.

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Catalina
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posted October 21, 2013 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And while the haters are so focussed on their agenda they can't even see the topic, nor that ITS TIME TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS.

My first thought was that hemp ropes and nets cast into the sea like the plastic he found would eventually disintegrate, and possibly even nourish the water/fish. Not sure about that tho!

Secondly, this concerned "yachtie" is somewhst peeved that he couldn't motor as much as usual...time to cut motors out of boat racing and go the purist route?

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posted October 21, 2013 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thirdly, the wasted fishlife due to greedy fishing methods...totally unnecessary.

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posted October 21, 2013 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Thirdly, the wasted fishlife due to greedy fishing methods...totally unnecessary.

Unfortunately, that`s part of the fishing industry.

There is simply too much waste & eco destruction by the world and it will the undoing of the eco system and human race by default.

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posted October 21, 2013 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having spent four years in the Navy stationed on a ship, I would be super surprised to find his characterization completely accurate. The ocean is vast. Surely there must have been pockets that weren't as described.

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Catalina
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posted October 21, 2013 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think he meant the entire trip. However it does seem a stark difference between his last passage there and this one. As i noted, he has not mentioned the contribution of his own motor to tge general pollution scenario, and for me who doesn't get out there, eyewitness current reports are educational.

I would say it's not too late but, will anything be done before ALL the fish are gone? Obviously the fishermen are still having better catches than they can use...in some places.

The salient point to me was that despite noticing the fukushima debris, he found an extraordinary amount of "litter" from the fishing industry and a distinct lack of sea birds does indicate fewer fish to be had.

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posted October 21, 2013 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to completely discount the overall point. I'm sure it's true in some locations. I'm just saying that the ocean is huge, and it's just unlikely that his experience would have been the same everywhere along his journey...unless something dramatic has indeed happened.

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posted October 21, 2013 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the things we can do is change our consumer buying habits.

Juni makes a very good point about waste/and eco friendly fish management. This is all too true.

The top 5 fish consumed by the U.S. and elsewhere are also top feeders. Top feeders are the lions of the fish world. They themselves required time to develop in size, they are voracious, and are the least eco friendly to eat.

Those are salmon, cod, halibut, tuna, and swordfish.

Though the influx of immigrants has created a better market for the more sustainable fish, like, tilapia, siwa, hake, etc. Americans tend to stick with what they know.

Often I hear customers in restaurants, and elsewhere, ask the question-"but is it fishy"
which always cracks me up.

There are many, many, types of fish that have NOT been over fished. It is due to ignorance/education that so many people will not try other offerings that are quite tasty.

If you like to eat fish on a regular basis, try other kinds, get on the net and find the names, and uses. Often these other fish taste just as good, or better, than what you have been eating. And they are more sustainable. It's what's good for us, and what is good for the oceans.



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posted October 21, 2013 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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However it does seem a stark difference between his last passage there and this one.

That was my thinking on the article.
AG, I`m sure, to a degree, you are correct but since your naval days, a lot of weather induced garbage plus mans polluting hand in it has changed the ocean you knew.
I`ve read quite a few articles voicing the authors opinion and it is a frightening thought that this is the "new oceans" of tomorrow.

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posted October 21, 2013 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There are many, many, types of fish that have NOT been over fished. It is due to ignorance/education that so many people will not try other offerings that are quite tasty.

I`m reading Asian Carp are tastey and being served in many Southern restaurants.
I`m not fond of fish, a farm gal here, so I`m not going to indulge!

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posted October 21, 2013 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I barely eat fish at all. I did catch a sailfish when i was ten, for sport...my dad fished for local food fish and also as a sportsman. I thought it was exciting..my arms nearly fell off but i landed this magnificent creature that was significantly larger than i.

I would not repeat the experience, so sad to see the life go out of him, and for what? To say "i did it"?

Unfortunately there are far too many people, and of course they are all eating!... and hunting for fun. I don't think this is insurmountable but it bears thinking about how to have our world snd eat/trash it too...

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posted October 22, 2013 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, Juni.

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Catalina
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posted October 22, 2013 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My favourite fish recipe is taramasalata, made with carp roe. Easy cheap and fabulous. Of course many think carp are domestic pets only...

I will cop to preferring top feeders(salmon, trout), for the simple reason that the heaviest pollutants sink and bottom feeders are loaded with them. I will continue to eat my other favourites(lobster, shrimp, monkfish and catfish) on occasion, though I am a little picky where they come from!

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posted October 22, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gulf fisherman: “There is no life out there”

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posted October 22, 2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG,
Thanks for the article. Just sad and devastating for the eco system and the economy.
I suppose the fish with tar balls can`t even be used for animal feed. Such a waste and shame.

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posted October 22, 2013 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love raw fish. I am a vegetarian, pretty much. My guitar teacher raises his own chickens, so brings me eggs each week at my lesson. These are delicious but I am basically a veggie person

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posted October 22, 2013 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`m trying to locate an article on the Valdez spill and how fishing is only recently returning to normal.
Recall the spill ocurred in 1989 .

Seafood in this local is sparse and so high priced, it may as well be gold nuggets.

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posted October 22, 2013 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While this isn`t the article I ment, it is a good example of the destruction as of 2011
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The biological significance of the remaining oil is unclear and a source of controversy. Biomarker studies show that animals like sea otters and harlequin ducks continue to be exposed to hydrocarbons in Prince William Sound, but their populations also continue to show trends of recovery. Widespread tissue elevations in invertebrates like mussels and clams are no longer observed, although isolated spikes may still occur.
http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/oil-and-chemical-spills/significant-incidents/exxon-valdez-oil-spill/oil-gone.html

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posted October 22, 2013 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe the worst of it sinks, hence top-feeders will be least affected in the shorter term, but loss and mutation of bottom feeders will have an effect we can't know yet

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posted October 22, 2013 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Monsanto? That is a whole other thing

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posted October 23, 2013 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
I believe the worst of it sinks, hence top-feeders will be least affected in the shorter term, but loss and mutation of bottom feeders will have an effect we can't know yet

The Great Lakes are not pristine but cleaner than the oceans. If I ate fish, it would be there rather than ocean offerings. The fish are edible and patrol boats are always looking for & cleaning up any debris.I haven`t read a SOLEC report on the GL in a few years tho.

The beachs are another story and thank the lord we don`t eat off them.

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posted October 23, 2013 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my own garden, as most of you know. It surrounds my house. It is filled with everything. I love it

It is so beautiful and amazing. It shows God's wonderful creation

Then, you have Monsanto which tries to mess with perfect design and wonderful order.


It is a true horror.

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