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jwhop
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posted August 11, 2017 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha

Even leftist media sources know.."The Russians Did It" is a gigantic hoax.

Left-Wing Magazine The Nation Report Puts ‘Russian Hack’ DNC Narrative in Freefall
Ian Mason
10 Aug 2017

A bombshell report published Wednesday by avowedly liberal news magazine The Nation may have put the last nail in the coffin of the “Russian hack” narrative that has dominated the mainstream media’s coverage for the last year.


Author Patrick Lawrence assembles the findings of months of investigation by forensic computer experts and former NSA officials to conclude, quite categorically, what Breitbart News and other independent media outlets have suggested for nearly a year: there was no hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) by the Russian government or anyone else last summer. An internal leaker is a much more likely source of the confidential internal DNC emails that upended the presidential campaign season when they became public last June.

Some supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders saw in the emails a DNC plot to support eventual nominee Hillary Clinton, dealing a blow to Democratic unity in the runup to the party’s convention.

The Nation, a leading publication of the American left for over a century, may seem an unlikely place for such a thorough refutation of one of the Democratic Party’s most salient talking points. Lawrence, however, is strikingly forthright. Calling the supposed hack and the continual allegations of collusion by President Donald Trump and his associates a “great edifice,” Lawrence points to the central role the “DNC Hack” plays in the “Russiagate” narrative. He writes:

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths.

Now, according to the research by the experts Lawrence cites — the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) — a Russian government cyberattack on the DNC’s computers is likely not a “possibility.” The group has examined several aspects of the emails’ journey to the public eye and concluded it cannot be made to comport with a hacker in the former Soviet Union. The files apparently were transferred to a data storage device at a speed not possible over the internet. Metadata also indicate that the emails were taken by someone in the Eastern Daylight Timezone and then deliberately copy-and-pasted into a Microsoft Word file that had its language settings changed to Russian in a ruse to throw off investigators.

The conclusions of four of VIPS’s investigators was unanimous. Lawrance writes:

All those interviewed came in between 90 percent and 100 percent certain that the forensics prove out. I have already quoted Skip Folden’s answer: impossible based on the data. “The laws of physics don’t lie,” Ray McGovern volunteered at one point. “It’s QED, theorem demonstrated,” William Binney said in response to my question. “There’s no evidence out there to get me to change my mind.” When I asked Edward Loomis, a 90 percent man, about the 10 percent he held out, he replied, “I’ve looked at the work and it shows there was no Russian hack. But I didn’t do the work. That’s the 10 percent. I’m a scientist.”

Nothing in the report, however, dissuaded the DNC from its conviction the Russians are responsible for the publication of their internal communications. “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded the Russian government hacked the DNC in an attempt to interfere in the election. Any suggestion otherwise is false and is just another conspiracy theory like those pushed by Trump and his administration,” Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director told Breitbart News Thursday.

The Nation’s story is by no means the first indication something might be awry with the “official version” of what happened at the DNC last summer. Shortly after the emails became public, Julian Assange, whose Wikileaks played a major role in the emails’ dissemination, claimed Russia played no role, but this did nothing to stem the flood of assurances about a Russian hack.

The central text of the Russiagate gospel became the “Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA)” issued in January of this year, days before President Barack Obama left office. Presumably this ICA, quoted for months in the mainstream media as being the work of “all 17” American intelligence agencies, is the basis of the DNC’s continued claims of a Russian hack.

The reality, as the New York Times finally admitted in June, was that only three intelligence agencies participated in the creation of the ICA. The “17 intelligence agencies” line, a fixture of pro-Russiagate media since Hillary Clinton used the figure in her second presidential debate performance, was and is fake news.

Lawrence’s piece further takes the ICA to task. “James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, admitted in May that ‘hand-picked’ analysts from three agencies (not the 17 previously reported) drafted the ICA,” he writes, pointing out that not even the whole of the three agencies cited (the FBI, NSA, and CIA) were involved but only a few staffers “hand-picked” by Clapper.

The intelligence agencies, according to Lawrence, did not even examine the DNC’s computers, an omission he calls “beyond preposterous,” and instead relied on a third-party report from Crowdstrike, a non-profit co-founded by Dmitri Alperovitch, described as “vigorously anti-Russian.” The “high confidence” in Russian culpability we heard of again and again in mainstream media reporting is an “evasive term” and “how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept.”

Some conservatives are already lauding Lawrance’s report and the work of VIPS as a final vindication of their skepticism. Americans for Limited Government President Rick Manning, for example, issued the following statement Thursday:

If the whole premise of the [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller investigation, that Russia hacked the DNC emails interfering with the elections, is in fact false and it was a DNC insider as the Nation reports former NSA officials contending, there is simply no rationale for the special counsel to continue investigating the Russia angle. It is incumbent upon the Justice Department to determine and settle once and for all the true source of the DNC emails. The only prosecutions that can flow from that investigation must be of Obama administration officials who covered up the real facts surrounding the DNC emails, setting the nation off on this new red scare. If Mueller is unwilling to go where the evidence leads, in this case to the DNC itself and the Obama administration cover-up, then he is not fit to serve. In Mueller’s case, this is either obstruction or willful blindness.

As Breitbart News’s Joel Pollak wrote last month, the “DNC Hack,” now better known as the “DNC Leak,” the term originally used in these pages, is not the only pillar of the Russia collusion narrative to face collapse as the media hysteria passes its first anniversary. It became clear through the testimony of Investor William Browder that Fusion GPS, the research firm that assembled for a still unknown client the infamous, perverse 2016 dossier describing now-President Trump asking Russian prostitutes to urinate for his pleasure, had, in fact, worked for the Russian government in the past.

With actual evidence of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign now looking increasingly unlikely to come to light, there are increasing indications Mueller’s investigation has shifted to looking for financial crimes allegedly committed by President Trump and his family long before and far outside the presidential campaign. The impact of the revelations unearthed by the VIPS team and The Nation on that investigation have yet to be seen.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/10/left-wing-magazine-the-nation-report-puts-russian-hack-dnc-narrative-in-freefall/

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posted August 11, 2017 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would expect nothing less from breitbart.

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posted August 11, 2017 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, now you've read your fairy tale for the night, you can your beauty sleep.

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posted August 11, 2017 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was actually the Nation, saw it yesterday. Fancy "leftists" who disagree with the DNC narrative and report facts. If you lump everyone who disagrees with Trump into one camp it's hard to notice how many points you might agree on with many of those people.

But its far easier to laugh and scoff at people if you don't listen to a word they say.

Of course the fact that the DNC called this a hack by Russians when it was really an internal download doesn't prove much..yet. Doesn't prove who did it or who they were working for if anyone. I don't credit the DNC with much brainpower or honour but who knows for a fact there are no Russian/ other hostile agents among them?

Obama intimated before leaving office that the evidence re hack-or-leak was still inconclusive so its hardly breaking news. A work in progress.

So irritating that life is seldom divisible into all right/all wrong, black/white, good guys/bad guys. Even one person might be a great ally on one front and an obstacle on another. Many people are neither left nor right, but uninterested in parties and political ideology altogether...

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posted August 11, 2017 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
I would expect nothing less from breitbart.

Can you say...Nation Magazine? They're the genesis of this article.

Patrick Lawrence is the writer for Nation Magazine who is heavily quoted in this article.

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posted August 12, 2017 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However theBreitbart writeup leans heavily in another hasty/ fictitious direction.

The fact that it was downloaded on the eastern seaboard and likely from a dnc computer does NOT mean it couldn't be Russians. It just means it wasn't a long distance hack. Obama was clear that the conclusion (hack or leak) hadn't been established yet.. but the "certainty" continued to run as a story.

The original article was in the Nation.. and presented the FACTS without Breitbarts spin.

And what does this even mean

It became clear through the testimony of Investor William Browder that Fusion GPS, the research firm that assembled for a still unknown client the infamous, perverse 2016 dossier describing now-President Trump asking Russian prostitutes to urinate for his pleasure, had, in fact, worked for the Russian government in the past.

What relevance does it have and how is the writer turning it into evidence that the Russians had nothing to do with this whole scenario?

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posted August 12, 2017 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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However the Breitbart writeup leans heavily in another hasty/ fictitious direction.

Breitbarts signature move.

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posted August 12, 2017 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The conclusion that the DNC files could not have been downloaded via the internet is valid. Those files were so voluminous it would have been virtually impossible for a hacker to have gained entry and download using the internet. The TIME FACTOR and UPLOAD SPEED.

Much more likely a thumb drive or drives were used to download files directly from the computer and then passed to WikiLeaks.

Unless, of course you want to suggest a Russian spy was working for the DNC and had direct access to DNC computers.

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posted August 12, 2017 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is one possibility. There are others. Breitbart has chosen one.. but the Nation article far surpasses Breitbart in FACTUALITY. It doesnt draw conclusions as to who downloaded it and it doesn't go on to throw in a bunch of other unrelated factors to sway the readers conclusions.

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posted August 12, 2017 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 13, 2017 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Author Patrick Lawrence, (Nation), assembles the findings of months of investigation by forensic computer experts and former NSA officials to conclude, quite categorically, what Breitbart News and other independent media outlets have suggested for nearly a year: there was no hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) by the Russian government or anyone else last summer."

Strike 3, you're out...again!

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posted August 13, 2017 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was it a hack or a download. Gee thats the most important part of the equation. The fact that it was a thumb drive made to look like a Russian hack doesnt tell us who or why.. you think there are no Russian agents in the DNC or with access to such files?

Maybe it was one of DTs people trying to throw the bloodhound off their trail! Maybe it was a LEAKER (lock em up!!) within the DNC! Maybe it was HILLARY trying to smear DT!!

Its a step towards solving the crime but it doesn't solve it.

You must be fun to play SORRY! with i bet 😘

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posted August 13, 2017 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it all very reassuring one way tho disturbing in another. Apparently our Intel services are easily fooled and it takes a concerted forensic effort to pin down computer operstions/ communications.

Maybe our privacy is not so compromised by the constant mining of info online after all.

And maybe they don't protect us from much either but blunder around following red herrings on our tax dollar gathering misleading Intel...

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posted August 15, 2017 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're grasping at smoke. Was it a Russian hack disguised to look like a download? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

The problem is the Internet upload speed limitations. Not a hack via Internet...but a deliberate, intentional transfer of DNC files to a thumbdrive...or other storage device.

Face it, leftist lunatic democrats are getting hung out to dry on their "Russia Hacked our Election" bullshiitte. No one more deserving in sight.

August 15, 2017
Mueller Raids Manafort's Home – Because He Has Nothing
Jay Valentine

When Robert Mueller took the gig with the Department of Justice to lead the silent coup against the Trump administration, things looked great. 100% or close to it of the media was reporting different levels and incidents of “Russian collusion.”

Attorney general Jeff Sessions, a close Trump confidant, had recused himself. The deputy AG, Rod Rosenstein, quickly buckled under media pressure to name a special counsel where no crime had been found and only an FBI counterintelligence investigation was taking place. No criminal investigation of the President, said the FBI director. Mueller had the chance to overturn an epic election mistake by uninformed American deplorables and be the darling of the swamp for a generation. How could he say no?

That was then, this is now.

All the king’s horses and all the king’s men have not found Russian collusion with Trump. Even Mueller likely knows it, because he is now investigating everything but Russian collusion. You do not expand an investigation’s scope because you have found a deep vein of criminality tied to prima facie Russian collusion -- if you did, you would be going deep into that vein.

Every week, more evidence comes out that the Democratic party computers were not hacked -- something vital to the concept of the Russians stealing those emails and giving to them to WikiLeaks. The fundamental requirement that the Russians stole Democratic emails might have been overturned if the FBI looked at the servers -- which they chose not to do. Who among us would be able to tell the FBI that we do not choose to give them our servers for an investigation? Which is what the DNC did, asserting that their own forensic group would make a finding.

Then the mysterious Seth Rich events play out. Seldom has the character so close to the event in question been so protected by family, media, police, and the FBI from showing possible ties to the critical initiating event.

Who was Seth Rich? He was the young man who appears to have downloaded the Democratic party emails and given them to WikiLeaks. When he was murdered, the police avoided any deep, comprehensive investigation.

A Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, Seymour Hersh, commented in a recorded interview about clear evidence he saw from the FBI that Seth Rich was indeed the person who downloaded the emails -- not the Ruskies.

Rich’s family threatened to sue anyone who even hints that they are going to get to the bottom of what happened.

Sean Hannity and Fox get shut down through threats of lawsuits and the organized Left’s movement to intimidate Hannity sponsors. Hannity has gone silent on any comments regarding Seth Rich. Why?

Then, on a quiet morning, a progressive magazine publishes a story that appears to tie it all together. The Nation delivers a very comprehensive, well-researched, and certainly nonpartisan study noting that top computer security people from previous administrations, all beyond reproach, used computer forensics to determine that the Democratic party computers were not hacked -- someone downloaded the emails to a thumb drive. Someone inside -- not likely a Russian.

They discover email metadata regarding the quantity and speed of the sinister download. Conclusion: no server in the country and certainly none outside the country could have downloaded so much information so fast. It is a physical impossibility. However, any thumb drive would meet this speed/data download requirement. And thumb drives require fingers -- and thus an insider did it.

These forensic experts have shown, using physics, not opinions, that the Democratic party was not hacked; that someone inside downloaded the files and thus there was no Russian interference in this matter.

Scores of threads have been appearing that converge the stories that the Democratic party emails were downloaded by an insider (not Russians) and that Seth Rich was probably the insider. These threads are getting thicker by the day.

So back to our friend Bob Mueller.

The “Russians stole the emails” narrative is coming apart, removing any underlying support for collusion. Most dangerously, the foundation of the story -- a hack of the Democratic party computers -- is not going to hold up, because, as The Nation notes, physics do not lie. Oops, no initiating event.

What’s an inside-the-Beltway swamp creature to do in this situation?

Trump isn’t likely to fire him -- which would have been a very good way out -- a martyr for truth when there was no crime. The promise of becoming the modern-day Archibald Cox, a dazzling ornament at any cocktail party and a prize on any law firm masthead, is sliding out of reach.

The swamp creatures have faced this problem before and they found a clever solution. They went after Dick Cheney but, nothing there. So they created a crime with his chief of staff -- Scooter Libby. They got Scooter on a made-up crime when they knew who actually did the deed -- and never went there. “There” was the Colin Powell pal Richard Armitage, another swamp dweller.

So where to look for a crime? Where to find a technical violation? Where to find that piece of paperwork that was not properly filed?

Let’s dig into the 30-year portfolio of the man who represented the worst of the worst -- Ferdinand Marcos, Jonas Savimbi, and Viktor Yanukovych, the deposed president of Ukraine.

That’s Paul Manafort, but unfortunately for Mueller, he is cooperating openly with the Congressional Russia investigation.

The swamp is not going to let witness cooperation become an obstacle.

Raid his house, knock on his bedroom door on a sleepy morning, scare the heck out of him and his family, and show him the swamp means business. The drama alone makes the story interesting.

So if Mueller cannot get Trump, and if there was probably never a crime because some internal Democratic operative -- likely Seth Rich -- just downloaded the files, well, there’s the Scooter Libby fallback.

If Mueller had anything, his team would perform the honorable leftist action and properly leak it to the Washington Post and New York Times. Instead, he raids the home of a cooperating witness with the full force and intimidation value of the United States Government.

This is what Mueller does when he has nothing better to leak and nowhere else to go.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/08/mueller_raids_manaforts_home_because_he_has_nothing.html

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posted August 15, 2017 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So..again..leaks are okay with you if they are against those you don't like.. and you are totally satisfied that because it was a leak not a hack that thats an end to the story. one word and everything is different.

You think because Mueller has NOT leaked anything he has nothing but if he did you would be calling for his head and a prison sentence

Pity its not that simple. Enjoy your moment 😁

Life must be overwhelming in the Confusion Zone.. keeping straight the difference between hacks and leaks, good leaks and criminal ones.. whether Mueller is a good or bad guy today...

It must be such a relief to know that someone inside the dnc and not a Russian breached their data... csuse theres no way any Americans could have cooperated with anyone to expose the cynical machinations of the Dems and bring HRC down.. oh except they must have of it wasn't a hack from outside.


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