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Topic: Hit By A Truck? COVID-19!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 125929 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 24, 2020 12:11 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause?fbclid=IwAR2KiDEw2VXrsbRQK1nc4B4 lVT3gkV8VWOnjrToyyg6RhAKD08DQpwLY53sIP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125929 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2020 06:18 AM
Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14520 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 25, 2020 02:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses.
There was general scoffing when it was suggested a few weeks ago that death certificates were being fudged in favor of a Covid-19 death....merely because coronavirus was present in a dead patient even though they died from some other main cause...like Cancer, Heart Attack, Brain Aneurysm, etc. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5947 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 26, 2020 04:01 PM
Give a number. How much % do you think is fudged? And is UK Fudging? Spain? Italy? Japan? Russia?The percentage ratio of death rate from COVID-19 to infections is absolutely consistent for a country with decent health care. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125929 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 26, 2020 04:09 PM
All deaths for other medical causes (including the flu) are sharply down. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 13735 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted April 26, 2020 04:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 26, 2020 04:32 PM
The numbers weren't overstated. The whole point of self-isolating was to cut back infection and deaths dramatically.I can't believe this. You guys are doing my head in. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 30, 2020 06:15 PM
I’ve seen people talking about how they have underlying health conditions, like diabetes - and if they get covid and die from it, they expect covid to be on the death certificate - NOT diabetes, or heart issues.
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iQ Moderator Posts: 5947 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 04:31 PM
Please see the tweets by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. He has used an algorithm to compare average death rates in past few years, and has computed that COVID-19 deaths are UNDER-STATED.Yes, the Bil Gates Killer Vaccine Lobby will enjoy the fear porn but that does not mean all the World's greatest Hospitals of the World's Only Superpower for decades are lying in unison to support a Vaccination Shill. More Health Staff have died from COVID-19 than the Flu, this statistic alone is sufficient to end the "QAnon" Conspiracy Theory that numbers are overstated. China f*cked Trump with a bio-weapon test gone sour, and it has killed 70000+ Americans as GOP Administration underestimated the Virus, that is the Fact of the Matter. The Death Rates are absolutely factual when you compare with Iran, Spain, Italy, France and UK who have no gain in overstating. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 13735 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 01, 2020 05:19 PM
IQ,I think the death rates are over stated because there are whistleblowers saying they have been pressured as doctors to report that someone died of coronavirus when there was no evidence to support this so yes death rates at least to some extent are over-stated, the question is by HOW MUCH? However, even if we work with the death rates as they are the death rates are LOW, yes this thing is more contagious and spreads more and also many people are asymptomatic but the death rates are still low and comparable to flu death rates and by far more people yearly die of heart problems or cancer or drug over dose than the projected death rates for this that do not even reach 1%, originally the projection was around 3.7%, this has not materialized. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 05:54 PM
If I catch covid, and die from it, I agree with the people I mentioned: they’d better put that down as the reason for death on the certificate. Despite my health issues. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125929 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 06:08 PM
We are talking about presumptive diagnoses--not complications plus COVID-19. These are deaths where the virus was not confirmed, and therefore, inflated.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 06:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: We are talking about presumptive diagnoses--not complications plus COVID-19. These are deaths where the virus was not confirmed, and therefore, inflated.
If only they’d had the tests they were promised. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 07:11 PM
Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21 IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 13735 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 01, 2020 07:32 PM
Most people who are infected recover (96%). At risk people should continue to quarantine for now and work from home if they can. Even if by the end of the year 600,000 people worldwide have died of Corona which is how many people die of cancer yearly just in the USA it would still be nowhere close to 50 million which is how many people died of the Spanish Flu (in the US we are at 60,000, last year 80,000 people died of the Flu in the USA). This whole thing is been looked at in a very narrow single minded way. Regardless of the gravity of this situation I keep thinking about the bigger picture and people who are not at risk need to keep society running bc you can have money the government sends you and no milk or meat to buy with it. There can be secondary effects to how we handle this that can make this situation even worse. Also suicide rates, domestic violence and sexual abuse (child molestation) are going up because of this quarantine and depression/anxiety lowers our immunological system. Then if we end up dealing with mass malnourishment, death rates will go up for all kinds of health issues. I don't deny this thing is crazy complicated and the progression of this flu/virus and its long term impact on our health is unknown but we have to figure out solutions that take into account other factors that impact us too. An extreme black and white solution means we have a bunch of blind spots and are not looking at the whole picture of how this can impact us. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 08:45 PM
Most people who are infected, apparently have severe damage. It isn’t a perfect recovery. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 08:46 PM
Usually, when I get sick, I get hit hard. So that’s what I would expect with this, since it isn’t just a cold. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14520 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 01, 2020 11:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21
Fauci has better ways to spend his time....like evaluating treatments to treat coronavirus patients and vaccines to prevent people from coming down with coronavirus in the 1st place. So, why is Nancy Pee-Lousy preventing House members from doing the jobs they are being paid to do? This is not the time for an extended vacation for democrats. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 02:17 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/entertainment/nick-cordero-update-trnd/index.html Healthy before corona, everything going wrong since corona.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14520 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 10:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/entertainment/nick-cordero-update-trnd/index.html Healthy before corona, everything going wrong since corona.
A research dossier compiled by the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and states that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency." TIMELINE OF CHINA'S POSSIBLE CORONAVIRUS COVER-UP The dossier touches on themes that have been discussed in media reports about the outbreak of the virus, including an initial denial by China that the virus could be transmitted between humans, the silencing or "disappearing" of doctors who tried to speak up, the destruction of evidence in laboratories and refusal to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine. Specifically, the file notes that China began censoring news of the virus on search engines and social media beginning Dec. 31, deleting terms including “SARS variation," “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.” Three days later, on Jan. 3, China’s National Health Commission ordered virus samples to be either moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while simultaneously issuing a "no-publication order" related to the disease..... http://www.foxnews.com/world/new-dossier-condemns-china-for-destroying-evi dence-of-covid-19-outbreak
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14520 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 10:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21
"While the Trump Administration continues its whole-of-government response to COVID-19, including safely opening up America again and expediting vaccine development, it is counter-productive to have the very individuals involved in those efforts appearing at Congressional hearings,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress to offer testimony at the appropriate time.” IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5947 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 05:07 PM
Broadly, I agree with Hypatia.Meanwhile, CDC's latest update: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm The Flu and Flu related Deaths average 4000 a week. So 64000 deaths out of 90000+ till May 1st are from Flu. This makes the 66000+ deaths from COVID-19 or COVID-19 triggered complications extremely accurate. Imagine if 66000+ Americans had died in addition to 60000 from Fl;u under Obama? A million "AR-15 open Carry" White Bikers would have surrounded the White House. Though it is not a reason for Alarmist shutting down of USA, it is still a massive failure on the part of the US Government because South Korea started with COVID-19 deaths at the same time and had fewer than 300 deaths, with lesser resources than USA. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 125929 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 05:59 PM
South Korea is like a state. Some of our states have few deaths.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 14520 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2020 11:49 PM
"South Korea started with COVID-19 deaths at the same time and had fewer than 300 deaths, with lesser resources than USA."So, how many infected Chinese do you think flew into S. Korea from Wuhan China? 1? 2? 3?South Korea is not a destination high on the list of traveling Chinese citizens. Now, how many infected Chinese do you think flew into New York city, New Jersey, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago or Detroit...before President Trump shut those flights down? Answer, PLENTY. 430,000 people have travelled from China to US since coronavirus surfaced The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles; San Francisco; New York; Chicago; Seattle; Newark, New Jersey, and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/as-coronavirus-spread-430000-people-arrived-in-us-on-direct-flights-from-china-nyt/articleshow/74990217.cms IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 14266 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 03, 2020 02:39 AM
Walmart worker got sick. So did her husband. Both died. http://twitter.com/nmeyersohn/status/1255941000738070534?s=21 IP: Logged |