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Randall
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posted April 24, 2020 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause?fbclid=IwAR2KiDEw2VXrsbRQK1nc4B4 lVT3gkV8VWOnjrToyyg6RhAKD08DQpwLY53s

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posted April 25, 2020 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses.

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posted April 25, 2020 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses.

There was general scoffing when it was suggested a few weeks ago that death certificates were being fudged in favor of a Covid-19 death....merely because coronavirus was present in a dead patient even though they died from some other main cause...like Cancer, Heart Attack, Brain Aneurysm, etc.

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posted April 26, 2020 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give a number. How much % do you think is fudged?
And is UK Fudging?
Spain?
Italy?
Japan?
Russia?

The percentage ratio of death rate from COVID-19 to infections is absolutely consistent for a country with decent health care.

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posted April 26, 2020 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All deaths for other medical causes (including the flu) are sharply down.

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posted April 26, 2020 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Even Dr. Birx admits the fatality numbers are overstated through presumptive diagnoses.

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posted April 26, 2020 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The numbers weren't overstated. The whole point of self-isolating was to cut back infection and deaths dramatically.

I can't believe this. You guys are doing my head in.

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posted April 30, 2020 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve seen people talking about how they have underlying health conditions, like diabetes - and if they get covid and die from it, they expect covid to be on the death certificate - NOT diabetes, or heart issues.

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posted May 01, 2020 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please see the tweets by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.
He has used an algorithm to compare average death rates in past few years, and has computed that COVID-19 deaths are UNDER-STATED.

Yes, the Bil Gates Killer Vaccine Lobby will enjoy the fear porn but that does not mean all the World's greatest Hospitals of the World's Only Superpower for decades are lying in unison to support a Vaccination Shill.

More Health Staff have died from COVID-19 than the Flu, this statistic alone is sufficient to end the "QAnon" Conspiracy Theory that numbers are overstated.

China f*cked Trump with a bio-weapon test gone sour, and it has killed 70000+ Americans as GOP Administration underestimated the Virus, that is the Fact of the Matter.
The Death Rates are absolutely factual when you compare with Iran, Spain, Italy, France and UK who have no gain in overstating.

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posted May 01, 2020 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ,

I think the death rates are over stated because there are whistleblowers saying they have been pressured as doctors to report that someone died of coronavirus when there was no evidence to support this so yes death rates at least to some extent are over-stated, the question is by HOW MUCH?

However, even if we work with the death rates as they are the death rates are LOW, yes this thing is more contagious and spreads more and also many people are asymptomatic but the death rates are still low and comparable to flu death rates and by far more people yearly die of heart problems or cancer or drug over dose than the projected death rates for this that do not even reach 1%, originally the projection was around 3.7%, this has not materialized.

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posted May 01, 2020 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I catch covid, and die from it, I agree with the people I mentioned: they’d better put that down as the reason for death on the certificate. Despite my health issues.

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posted May 01, 2020 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are talking about presumptive diagnoses--not complications plus COVID-19. These are deaths where the virus was not confirmed, and therefore, inflated.

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posted May 01, 2020 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We are talking about presumptive diagnoses--not complications plus COVID-19. These are deaths where the virus was not confirmed, and therefore, inflated.

If only they’d had the tests they were promised.

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posted May 01, 2020 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21

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posted May 01, 2020 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people who are infected recover (96%). At risk people should continue to quarantine for now and work from home if they can.

Even if by the end of the year 600,000 people worldwide have died of Corona which is how many people die of cancer yearly just in the USA it would still be nowhere close to 50 million which is how many people died of the Spanish Flu (in the US we are at 60,000, last year 80,000 people died of the Flu in the USA). This whole thing is been looked at in a very narrow single minded way.

Regardless of the gravity of this situation I keep thinking about the bigger picture and people who are not at risk need to keep society running bc you can have money the government sends you and no milk or meat to buy with it.

There can be secondary effects to how we handle this that can make this situation even worse. Also suicide rates, domestic violence and sexual abuse (child molestation) are going up because of this quarantine and depression/anxiety lowers our immunological system.

Then if we end up dealing with mass malnourishment, death rates will go up for all kinds of health issues. I don't deny this thing is crazy complicated and the progression of this flu/virus and its long term impact on our health is unknown but we have to figure out solutions that take into account other factors that impact us too. An extreme black and white solution means we have a bunch of blind spots and are not looking at the whole picture of how this can impact us.

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posted May 01, 2020 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people who are infected, apparently have severe damage. It isn’t a perfect recovery.

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posted May 01, 2020 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Usually, when I get sick, I get hit hard. So that’s what I would expect with this, since it isn’t just a cold.

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posted May 01, 2020 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21

Fauci has better ways to spend his time....like evaluating treatments to treat coronavirus patients and vaccines to prevent people from coming down with coronavirus in the 1st place.

So, why is Nancy Pee-Lousy preventing House members from doing the jobs they are being paid to do? This is not the time for an extended vacation for democrats.

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posted May 02, 2020 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/entertainment/nick-cordero-update-trnd/index.html


Healthy before corona, everything going wrong since corona.

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posted May 02, 2020 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/entertainment/nick-cordero-update-trnd/index.html


Healthy before corona, everything going wrong since corona.


A research dossier compiled by the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world

The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and states that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency."

TIMELINE OF CHINA'S POSSIBLE CORONAVIRUS COVER-UP

The dossier touches on themes that have been discussed in media reports about the outbreak of the virus, including an initial denial by China that the virus could be transmitted between humans, the silencing or "disappearing" of doctors who tried to speak up, the destruction of evidence in laboratories and refusal to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine.

Specifically, the file notes that China began censoring news of the virus on search engines and social media beginning Dec. 31, deleting terms including “SARS variation," “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.”

Three days later, on Jan. 3, China’s National Health Commission ordered virus samples to be either moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while simultaneously issuing a "no-publication order" related to the disease.....

http://www.foxnews.com/world/new-dossier-condemns-china-for-destroying-evi dence-of-covid-19-outbreak

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posted May 02, 2020 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why would the White House be blocking Fauci from testifying about the corona response? http://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1256354223278735367?s=21

"While the Trump Administration continues its whole-of-government response to COVID-19, including safely opening up America again and expediting vaccine development, it is counter-productive to have the very individuals involved in those efforts appearing at Congressional hearings,” White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress to offer testimony at the appropriate time.”

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posted May 02, 2020 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Broadly, I agree with Hypatia.

Meanwhile, CDC's latest update: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The Flu and Flu related Deaths average 4000 a week. So 64000 deaths out of 90000+ till
May 1st are from Flu. This makes the 66000+ deaths from COVID-19 or COVID-19 triggered complications extremely accurate.
Imagine if 66000+ Americans had died in addition to 60000 from Fl;u under Obama?
A million "AR-15 open Carry" White Bikers would have surrounded the White House.

Though it is not a reason for Alarmist shutting down of USA, it is still a massive failure on the part of the US Government because South Korea started with COVID-19 deaths at the same time and had fewer than 300 deaths, with lesser resources than USA.

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posted May 02, 2020 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
South Korea is like a state. Some of our states have few deaths.

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posted May 02, 2020 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"South Korea started with COVID-19 deaths at the same time and had fewer than 300 deaths, with lesser resources than USA."

So, how many infected Chinese do you think flew into S. Korea from Wuhan China? 1? 2? 3?South Korea is not a destination high on the list of traveling Chinese citizens.

Now, how many infected Chinese do you think flew into New York city, New Jersey, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago or Detroit...before President Trump shut those flights down?

Answer, PLENTY.

430,000 people have travelled from China to US since coronavirus surfaced

The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles; San Francisco; New York; Chicago; Seattle; Newark, New Jersey, and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/as-coronavirus-spread-430000-people-arrived-in-us-on-direct-flights-from-china-nyt/articleshow/74990217.cms

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posted May 03, 2020 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Walmart worker got sick. So did her husband. Both died.

http://twitter.com/nmeyersohn/status/1255941000738070534?s=21

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