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Topic: "What are we going to have left?"
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shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 09, 2020 08:29 AM
  
http://news.wttw.com/2020/06/05/what-are-we-going-have-left-our-community-aldermen-react-panic-sorrow-unrest This is a recording of Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot on a conference call with 50 Chicago aldermen. Aside from conversations on racial disparity and police brutality, the issue of damage done to our cities, how they will rebuild, and the lasting effects of all this carnage have been sidelined. The evidence throughout the call of administrative ineptitude and infrastructural breakdown is shocking. It deserves a listen but if you dont have the time or stomach, the article offers a several illustrative quotes. As bad as you might think it is, it's worse. Notable : accusations that a far left poc mayor protected wealthy neighbors and businesses while leaving the poor, "diverse" south side to suffer alone. (Whys that I wonder?) And an alderman who called 911 and couldnt get through. Echoes of what's to come? IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted June 09, 2020 10:17 AM
The only upside to this destruction is that there will be jobs for reconstruction in the aftermath. Well, provided any business dares return. There really is a lack of a plan. Utilizing the gangs isn’t an entirely bad idea to corral certain areas, but the protection of grocery stores, pharmacies, and supply routes should absolutely be a priority of the national guard. Folks also need to be tossed in jail and not immediately released. There is no place that feels safe, and I feel for these people.Rioting should never have been rewarded and apologized for in the first place. I was listening to Tim Pool the other day, and he made an excellent point, that had he been the mayor of Minneapolis, he would have held a press conference stating the dude was arrested and will face his day in court, and that protesting is perfectly fine. He added that should the crowd erupt in looting or rioting, then they would immediately drop the charges and let the guy go, providing incentive to stay in line. It’s far past that point, but Chicago has a ridiculous crime rate to begin with. I don’t see things improving there anytime soon. IP: Logged |
shura
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From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 09, 2020 08:24 PM
Formerly I might have said the same regarding reconstruction jobs. Riots are a part of American history, so really nothing new there. In recent memory, the 68 riots were much worse as far as I can tell. The difference here is in government response. That lack of response, that inability or unwillingness to protect business and restore order ... that's going to drive away the big employers. Not sure the small business owners will feel differently.Did you see the Latin Kings? Cali and Chicago, patrolling and protecting their neighborhoods. That's what it has come to. I feel for people too. Good people in the cities are in a wretched position now. It is spilling over into the suburbs. That feeling of uncertainty, of feeling unsafe is what BLM is telling us every Black American feels all the time. And they want to bring it to the rest of America. It's working. Agree with Tim Pool that Chauvin's arrest should have been repeated ad nauseum. (In contrast, it took 10 months to arrest Officer Mohammed Noor who killed the white Australian woman.) The only mistake now would be to go with 1st degree IP: Logged |
Blind writer
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From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted June 09, 2020 10:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
Formerly I might have said the same regarding reconstruction jobs. Riots are a part of American history, so really nothing new there. In recent memory, the 68 riots were much worse as far as I can tell. The difference here is in government response. That lack of response, that inability or unwillingness to protect business and restore order ... that's going to drive away the big employers. Not sure the small business owners will feel differently.
The litmus test here will be if these disgruntled people will change their local leaders that got them into this mess in the first place, or blindly vote for the incumbents. Who knows, no one might come back at all, in which case voting will be stagnant. quote:
Did you see the Latin Kings? Cali and Chicago, patrolling and protecting their neighborhoods. That's what it has come to.
Not surprising really. What else did people expect? When lawlessness takes over, the organized crime automatically fills that power vacuum, and ideological justice begins. I hope they care for their neighbors more than turf right now, but honestly I’m not too optimistic. Lots of freshly released criminals on the streets too. quote:
I feel for people too. Good people in the cities are in a wretched position now. It is spilling over into the suburbs. That feeling of uncertainty, of feeling unsafe is what BLM is telling us every Black American feels all the time. And they want to bring it to the rest of America. It's working.
I have zero sympathy for any one who is taking that stance, that misery and terror should be foisted upon people. That isn’t how to make things better, and a sure fire ticket to destroy any hope for progress. BLM is losing support rapidly, and I’m not entirely sure they recognize this. I have a feeling a lot of various elements are colliding here, and we don’t have the clearest picture of what’s happening. The rapid radicalization seems suspect (and incredibly concerning), coupled with planned materials, infiltration and placed members - it feels like this hornet nest is getting poked deliberately and creating division where there shouldn’t be any. On top off Europe’s decaying opinion (support) of the US, it’s clear we’re being chipped away at by external forces. My bet is China. quote:
Agree with Tim Pool that Chauvin's arrest should have been repeated ad nauseum. (In contrast, it took 10 months to arrest Officer Mohammed Noor who killed the white Australian woman.) The only mistake now would be to go with 1st degree
Agreed. The very best anyone can hope for (although hope is a really terrible word to use here) is second degree. And if the prosecution fails to prove the argument for that charge, it won’t be pretty. At the end of the day, Americans are nervous and nervous Americans historically vote republican. Have you heard about the “free zone” some 18 year old chick has declared in Seattle? It’s a seven block area the police vacated due to complaints by residents of tear gas - so they just left. She had the local businesses still hanging on there swear fealty, or basically disavow the country. Her Twitter profile states she wants to destroy civilization. Sterling leader of the communist block. The sooner this is addressed, the better. Anyone paying attention can see how dangerous this is. I’m amazed the left still cannot see they’re being used. The discussion of community-police relations continues to be conflated with racism, stirring the pot. Guess we’ll see if the situation deteriorates or is actually addressed. Seeing so many politicians kowtow to the violence is astounding. There should be universal condemnation for this lawlessness, and the folks - the good, normal folks - down at ground zero sweeping up the glass are probably feeling abandoned right now. IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising
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posted June 10, 2020 12:31 AM
Hitler was against the Facist too . But, he took strong actions for his beliefs. Some things he stood for was truly grandmaster though. America needs to learn post covid -19. In seattle they always wanted to displace the homeless because they were encroaching properties of those who pay taxes. We as society should come to an amenable solution. IP: Logged |
Belage
Knowflake Posts: 3025
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 10, 2020 12:32 AM
WowI have not listened to the news in a couple of days, and I had no idea things were so bad in Chi-Town.  IP: Logged |
PhoenixRising
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posted June 10, 2020 12:37 AM
We are far too many. The repugnants (R) of this country I have come across has 4-5 children average in some parts of USA. They should come to the middle path. The path of Saturn in Kaballah . Trump was being an idiot when he was tweeting-- we should have never allowed any democrats to come to Power. His star buddy Kenndy (D) was I think much smarter than him. But I guess we don't have him anymore.
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 2347
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 10, 2020 08:14 PM
I have heard about the freezone, yes. It's been ... I don't even know how long it has been. 3 days? And already they have food shortages, warlords, and armed border guards. Where are the police? Mayor? Governor? I don't know but apparently the Dept of Health has donated porta potties.Actually the porta potty thing sort of confirms my theory that a lot of this is happening because Coachella, Burning Man etc were cancelled. Not kidding. They've set up a reddit group. Both hilarious and deeply disturbing. These are the same people who vandalize Gen Lee statues because he was a secessionist. lol IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2347
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 10, 2020 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
WowI have not listened to the news in a couple of days, and I had no idea things were so bad in Chi-Town.
I liked the part where Lightfoot said the protestors had commandeered public buses.
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Belage
Knowflake Posts: 3025
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 10, 2020 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
I liked the part where Lightfoot said the protestors had commandeered public buses.
I am heartbroken for the law abiding citizens caught in the middle of all this. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2347
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 11, 2020 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I am heartbroken for the law abiding citizens caught in the middle of all this.
I've been thinking especially of the children watching this play out - the instability and the exposure to adults who seem to be losing their minds. What are the long term effects of this? IP: Logged |
Blind writer
Knowflake Posts: 692
From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted June 11, 2020 03:10 PM
Meanwhile, Gov Inslee says he knows “nothing about” the autonomous zone festering in Seattle. Propagandists online are hard at work showing how “peaceful” everyone is, watching “educational films” and planting gardens.As usual, people are not paying attention to where this is leading. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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From: Welcome to Mercury
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted June 12, 2020 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by shura:
I've been thinking especially of the children watching this play out - the instability and the exposure to adults who seem to be losing their minds. What are the long term effects of this?
Anarchy and breaking the law become normalized, in their brain. And so the pattern continues. IP: Logged |
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