Posts: 6654
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 08, 2011 08:58 PM            

---

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfea tures/article/1035848--facing-10-year-wait-list-for-surgery-obese-woman-writes-own-obituary?bn=1

Sure I'd love the so called quick fix of surgery but I am even poorer than her and some of the complications sound bad.
I am 5 feet 3 and weighed over 420 pounds.
I now weigh 280 pounds and want to lose 100 more in time.
I would be happy to lose 60 pounds and stabilize at 220 again, where I feel great!
Yes it took years but it is staying off. I am disabled due to back, and nerve damage so I cannot get around and exercise much, and bedridden in agony often. No it is not easy to lose and alter one's diet to one they can maintain yet lose weight.
I just feel that surgery is a lazy way,
especially for those who can walk unaided, and as sadly seen do eat so much food I am amazed at how they do it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some are even pigging out eating in the grocery stores as they shop!
Severe over eating should be addressed first because that is a psychological thing not a physical thing.
Why would anyone eat themselves into morbid obesity unless mentally ill in some way?
I know I gained weight (100 pounds)as a child after being raped, and after being very fit and a power lifter, runner, arm wrestler, when the depression of being bedridden and nerves damaged after an industrial injury over 2 decades ago, and being on high dose steroids which cause weight gain often too.
So yes, I personally understand psychological over eating.
However surgery is not the answer.
I wish when I get done losing weight that I can have all this horrid hanging skin removed but seems "I will just have to look like a Sharpei instead, thinner but skin flaps and wags all over.
By the way I am 56 years old. My further advice to her is if she can walk unaided, walk walk walk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! Gods I envy folks who can walk easily!!!!!!!!!!!!! And swim too if she can and walk in water!
I just feel she needs psychiatric help not surgery.
------------------
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
‎}><}}('>~

IP: Logged

Posts: 625
From:
Registered: Sep 2010

posted August 09, 2011 07:12 AM            

---

Power to you Lexx for losing the weight you have done so far. I know it's not easy. I only got 40lbs over weight and it's a struggle shifting the last 14lbs.

I agree with what you're saying, I don't like them pushing the idea of surgery forward and in most cases, the issues could've been addressed long before it got to the critical stage.

The psychological reasons behind being overweight are completely ignored by the mainstream media and people don't always realise why they're eating.

It angers me, that once immobile, people continue to feed them. And I get seriously irritated by the ever increasing number of people on disability scooters when they CAN walk but choose not to.

Yes, we all need to take some responsibility for our own health.

But seriously - you've done well not to be defeated

IP: Logged

Posts: 6654
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 09, 2011 07:50 AM            

---

dysfunctionalmystic
Thank you!
And congratulations on your weight loss!
No it is not easy.
I hate it when I lose great for awhile then hit a long plateau and nothing I do will make me lose more weight. That is when I just maintain for several months because prolonged dieting lowers the metabolism.
Once it picks back up the weight will drop again until next plateau.
Patience is required.
And I totally agree with you!
I see obese folks moving about just fine and no cane, yet once inside the stores they plop their butts into the handicap shopping cart wheel chairs and often continue to eat whilst tooling about filling their cart with junk food not healthy things.
It is quite revolting/disgusting.
Psychological help is what I wish was funded.
That and diet help.
However both are not usually covered by insurance and are very costly.
I do feel sorry for the woman but
her fatalistic outlook and belief that the surgery would be her cure all is just plain delusional.
One other thing she said that disturbed me terribly was this:

quote:

---

“What scares me more is being 600, 700 or 800 pounds and being stuck in my bedroom and having my children have to tend to me.”

---

I was like omg lady! You are only 372 pounds and you feel you will eventually get up to 600, 700, or 800 pounds????????????????????​????
I am sorry folks but that there attitude and fear bespeaks a serious mental health issue NOT a physical one. I do sincerely feel for her but even if she gets the surgery it sounds like without some intense psychological help she will be in bigger trouble in time.

------------------
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
‎}><}}('>~

IP: Logged

Posts: 625
From:
Registered: Sep 2010

posted August 09, 2011 12:26 PM            

---

The quote you highlighted stood out for me too, I think it's disgusting that she has an expectation for her children to care for her. Yet another sign she doesn't want to help herself. It is sad and such an obvious sign that she needs psych help and not surgery. That's what I can't understand, the fact that once they become immobile - someone keeps feeding. That's not love.

I know help can be costly, but psych intervention would still be a cheaper option than medical care. The attitude that "someone else can fix this" is disempowering and a refusal to carry any responsibility.

I hit that plateau for the last year and for the last 2 weeks I've been exercising again. I started my 3rd week yesterday. I've gained weight through re-building muscle and I know I need to stick with it. It is so hard and I'm not even that heavy. The effort and will power needed can be hard to find sometimes. I don't go to a gym cos I have stuff in the garage but I don't get any cheering on....but the older kids I have can be supportive.

I've heard all sorts of things from people over the last few years, such as oh well you had your kids and you're in your thirties now...and I just keep thinking "no excuses". I think that sometimes people are too quick to say something politically correct instead of being honest. My attitude is very much - if you're happy and healthy then fine but if not change it or at least try.

But yes, patience is essential.

Chilli is said to help increase metabolism for a couple of hours after its been eaten, but you probably knew that already.

IP: Logged

Posts: 6654
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 09, 2011 02:47 PM            

---

Yes, that woman is a very bad/sad case.
And yes, sadly the real help she needs is costly.
Even though disabled.....
I exercise as much as possible when I can but often overdo it. That results in swelling and then the nerves get shut down and or severe torsion spasms set in with agony. But I still keep at it because even with bedridden or sitting time, I know each time I exercise will help in the long run.
My upper body is very muscular and so is my lower, but the way extreme weight loss is and still needing to lose much more, well it cannot be seen much, but can be felt and yay, under the fat lies some seriously rock hard abs/obliques/shoulders, and more!
Oh yes any hot peppers help speed up metabolism at least a bit!
I had a set back recently when I had to go back on a run of steroids, and had too many days down in bed in agony.
But am trying to keep up optimism and hopefully the weight will begin dropping again soon!

------------------
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
‎}><}}('>~

IP: Logged

Posts: 17453
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010

posted August 09, 2011 04:07 PM            

---

Lexx Sorry to do this here.I can't e mail for some reason
Could you erase my name and DOB from Lady Cartmancy's post please--in the Personal Readings forum
Thank you very much

IP: Logged

Posts: 860
From:
Registered: May 2011

posted August 09, 2011 05:12 PM            

---

r we talkin gastric bypass here? there is a band you can have put in your stomach for a similar effect. then when you've lost the weight they take it out.

IP: Logged

Posts: 6654
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 09, 2011 07:42 PM            

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lexx Sorry to do this here.I can't e mail for some reason
Could you erase my name and DOB from Lady Cartmancy's post please--in the Personal Readings forum
Thank you very much

---

Doing so now.

------------------
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
‎}><}}('>~

IP: Logged

Posts: 6654
From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 09, 2011 07:43 PM            

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by sand:
r we talkin gastric bypass here? there is a band you can have put in your stomach for a similar effect. then when you've lost the weight they take it out.

---

Yes.
However the "lap band" is not altogether safe either.

------------------
~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
‎}><}}('>~

IP: Logged

Posts: 2310
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009

posted August 09, 2011 08:31 PM            

---

quote:

---

However the "lap band" is not altogether safe either.

---

Correct. I have an aquintance who simply loved food and over ate ( her cause is beyond my knowledge)and was 160 lbs over weight.
She had the lap band put in and didn`t restrain her eating and continued with carbonated beverages. Her band kept slipping, was re adjusted until she went into emergency and had it removed. She had severe scar tissue and an infection.
The Dr ( I feel is as responsible as she for not being a Dr and keeping tabs on her restrictions.) Instead he just kept adding the saline solution which added to the slippage.

End of story ? No! She has another one put back in, by another Dr (which no insurance for this one) and is suffering again but is so proud of the 100 lb loss. Bah, I don`t trust any short cuts.

------------------
Submit to Love without thinking, as the sun rose this morning recklessly, extinguishing our star-candled minds.

Rumi

IP: Logged

Posts: 336
From:
Registered: Aug 2010

posted August 09, 2011 10:54 PM            

---

my huband's ex-wife had very radical gastro-bypass surgery and almost died after the surgery due to complications... she is no healthier or in better shape than pre-surgery...she simply can't become morbidly obese anymore... so what exactly was resolved here? not much...

surgery will not aid with the fundamental reason(s) for a food addiction and yet very few doctors ( here )will actually suggest prolonged sessions with a qualified therapist...
while i can sympathize with those who do struggle to lose weight - and i do believe for some it is a genuine struggle - people need to be reminded ( sometimes forcefully ) that their obesity didn't just happen overnight...
i find serious fault with her attitude and what she believes she is "owed" - by her family, community and the government...

------------------
" Some define good as that which preserves, and evil as that which destroys; but destruction can be cleansing and purifying, for there is such a thing in both men and races as spiritual constipation, which comes from too much preservation of the status quo." ( Dion Fortune )

IP: Logged