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cappy1277
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posted September 05, 2011 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suffer from PTSD that resulted in a series of violent attacks to me from a domestically violent relationship. the last two times, I almost lost my life. The biggest burden that I am carrying is that all of this carries over into my intimate relationships and causing a self sabotage, with me not being aware of what I am doing sometimes. I am deeply in love with someone but I find that it is hard to be with him due to the "episodes" that are triggered by the most mundane things that he does. It could be the most innocent of things but it really stirs something within me that is primal. the last occurrence caused a very startling confrontation between us and he ended up trying to restrain me....no good. I think I may have blacked out in anger.

I have spoken to him about the things that I have been through and he seems to understanding enough- but he just doesn't seem to get it? he will raise his voice at me in anger and I shut down. I tell him to just leave me alone in solitude so I can brew in silence but he wants to do things like talk and hug it out. not such a bad idea for the person who is receptive but when i am feeling this way, the best thing for me is to just shut down and come back to it. the last argument resulted in some belligerent actions and words that could've been avoided and I have not spoken to him in a week. I won't take his calls at this time because I feel like the demons are still in a state of unrest.

I was in therapy for two years and have taken antidepressants to deal in the past but I made the mistake of taking my elevated self esteem with him as a cure. besides, the side effects were a doozy.

i don't know how to go forward with this with him or even if I should. I feel that this is not over yet but I just want to move past this with him.

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LEXX
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posted September 06, 2011 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Are you able to see a therapist again about this?
Tell him/her exactly what you have written here and details about the troubles you are having.
Since you are still feeling badly and still get set off,
you are not over things.
Please see a therapist again.
Also no, your boyfriend does not truly understand or he would not raise his voice or try to restrain you.
That would drive me bonkers too,
especially the restraining part.
Because some totally normal things will trigger panic/anger/fight/flight in me, (like being in a bed with sheets tucked in,
but only with another person; long story "shudder")
...so I totally know what you mean by going primal.
I think he means well, but having suffered PTSD myself, I know what you mean. If he has never gone through such, well yes, it would be hard for him to truly understand.

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cappy1277
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posted September 06, 2011 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought that it's time to go back to the therapist. To find another therapist that I feel comfortable with is another thing. I have to get another physical for school so I am going to ask my doc for an antidepressant. Its been eight years since the ordeal and it seems that its never gonna go away or at least allow me to function emotionally.

I know he means well but I feel so emotionally unstable, I feel that the damage is irreparable.maybe a week is not enough time for myself. He has called twice since the argument but I didn't answer the phone.

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lechien
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posted September 06, 2011 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy, i wish i could give you a big hug. i also do suffer from it and have a huge problem with self-sabotaging in all areas of my life, i can understand you so well. it is devastating.

perhaps you can direct him to read about it? here is a very good article on Complex-PTSD. you have to realise that there is a little difference between regular PTSD and C-PTSD. http://outofthefog.net/Disorders/CPTSD.html

also what has helped me a little bit is this thing called EFT-tapping, it was recommended by a therapist (though i am not seeing a therapist at the moment). you can bring out the issues and confront them and work with your concious/subconscious mind. i've come to understand more and more through this, but at the time i am thinking i may need a professional's help who work specifically with C-PTSD, which availability i am not sure about where i live. but at least i will not be misdiagnosed as depressed anymore.

i hope things will improve for you. it's an awful and unfair thing to have. let's hang in there.

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cappy1277
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posted September 06, 2011 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks lechien- I was working with a therapist in the philadelphia area that specialized in PTSD...it was the most painful work emotionally and physically. she would put me into a trance and make me relive the memories. i fought her on it for a long time & regressed a few times. very scary but also liberating at the time.

funny thing about the tapping. When I am upset, I tap above my eyebrows and repeat what ever is bothering me. I don't know where I learned this from or how this came about but its just a natural occurrence when I am upset.

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pixelpixie
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posted September 06, 2011 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's good that you can talk through this.

It seems like a classic case of miscommunication... he is not understanding how deeply you are affected by his actions, and maybe he is treating your very real reactions more flippantly, as he's not had to deal with that, therefore doesn't and can't grasp the scope of your feelings....the enormity of the way you feel as a result of your experiences.

I think it would promote healing, and indeed, the health of your ability to maintain relationships currently, if you honestly confronted him ( non-confrontationally) and let him know , essentially 'it's not you, it's me, so stop doing that thing you do that makes me shut off, and these are the reasons and you should respect that there are limits, if you intend to continue being in a relationship with me.'

You should definitely get it off your chest.

Good luck to you. Please continue to talk if you need to.

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LEXX
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posted September 06, 2011 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cappy1277
Lots of good replies and advice here.
Yes, please keep talking.{{{hugs}}}

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PixieJane
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posted September 06, 2011 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A handful of people I know who experienced PTSD said this was very helpful to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_and_reprocessing

One of them tried an amateurish attempt to use EMDR on me for my own PTSD and it may have helped. Though at the same time I was using self-hypnosis to rewrite the script of common nightmares and in "inner child" work where I integrated what I learned and new strengths to my "child self" who had been much more vulnerable, and I think this helped more.

Speaking of which learning self-defense can be very helpful to overcoming fear. But the downside is that you become potentially more dangerous to others who do something stupid like hold you down. One guy I knew is very lucky--he tricked me into seeing the 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre (convincing me it was actually a comedy/satire) and it just pushed my buttons that freaked me out with a flood of adrenaline (I've been the prisoner of a psycho before and still have a permanent scar on my neck where I was slashed while I was bound). It got so bad that I got up to leave in a near panic and he caught me and held me to him. He'll never know how VERY close I came to smashing him in the throat (which likely would've led to more violence). And I'm known for strong self-control.

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cappy1277
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posted September 06, 2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for the replies. great suggestions. I did send him an email with the title I'm sorry with a link to a great informative site about CPTSD. It wasn't the one Lechien suggested...the use of personality disorder I found disturbing- this article referred it to psychiatric injury.

Its hard to cope with because I don't want to feel that I'm losing someone who means a lot to me. All I can hope is that he will read & respond but I'm not going to put too much hope into it.

I've been struggling with this for about 8 years now and I was doing good for awhile. I felt some of it coming back with the nightmares & insomnia but I was hoping to have more self control but I find that I have less of it right before that time of month. I've been dealing with a severe sinus infection for about 2 weeks (one of the joys I must deal with after having the whole right side of my face broken). The pressure required emergency treatment at the hospital. Not to mention that I had to attend the funeral of a dear friend who I had cut off contact with because it brought back bad memories of my past. I saw everyone their and just remembered all the pain that I went through with him because he also did things to them. Not to mention the nightmares and insomnia- I guess the pressure became too much for me. I felt like he wasn't paying enough attention to me & that he was taking me for granted. It was such a primal rage, I can't even remember what was said or done. All I remember is asking him to please let me go home and he refused. He took the keys out the door and I kinda snapped. I feel embarressed and ashamed for behavior but if he only wouldve took to heart what I was saying. I felt suffocated and like a wild animal in a cage.

Sigh......I miss him but I don't know if we can ever get back to what we had. I just will have to wait & see.

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hippichick
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posted September 07, 2011 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy

He needs to understand what happens to our brains under the spell of PTSD. I have had it for years, unknown to me till about 8 years ago when I was diagnosed, also due to a domestic situation.

I am a RN so bear with be....I have reasearched this till the cows come home cause we need to understand what is happening to our brains, cause our brains affect everything! There is little out there re: domestic situations, usually war situations.

When we are put in a fight or flight situation, catecholamines are released to help us survive. Norepinepherine, the main one shuts down our guts, and other body funcitions temoprarily, so that we become hyper vigilant and stronger and more aware, it is the speed of our brains. Then when the situation is over, dopamine and seratonin take over. Dopamine kicks in to make us happy and seratonin to calm us.

The unfortunate thing about PTSD is that after so many of these "situations" the brain no longer functions normally in new situations of fear or something that reminds us of the original situation. And even more unfortunate, norepinepherine is released in truckloads, the brain cant "reuptake it" as it should and even more unfortunate is that seratonin and dopamine are reuptaked more so that we end up with more speed and less calming and happy brain chemicals.

Brain chemistry is altered forever and so are we.

Before I really began a treatment program (deisgned by myself) I remember being really scared when an ex bfriend stalked me (and he still does 9 years later), I would look in the mirror and my pupils would be so dialated, like I was on speed!

PTSD put me in mild heart failure due to all of the stress hormones running rampant in my body.

I am now, at nearly 50 years old, 2 antidepressants and a mood lifter, wakefulness med.

But different antidepressants work different. SSRI's only inhibit the reuptake of seratonin, so we are calm...I am on an SSRI and another that inhibits the reuptake of dopamine and adds a little norepi to the brain.

So baiscally I am chemically altering my brain to act as normal, well as normal as it can.

I also stay out of stressful stiuations, if I can, but my life seems to never let me do that!!!

IF he loves you, he will be interested in what you are going thru, PTSD is a good test for any relationship...unfortunate, but the ones who are worth it stay.

blessings

terri~

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cappy1277
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posted September 07, 2011 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks hippiechick for the info.

i was on zoloft for some time and I felt great even though the first few weeks was rough. i have researched this too extensively ( I am studying to be an RN )

I was hyper the the first couple of days it happened but now I just feel depressed and like I am going through the motions. Not to mention I am exhausted- ughhh....but life doesn't allow time for depression and being tired. Lol so i just keep on going.

you guys are all great with your encouragement and help! <3

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mochai
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posted September 08, 2011 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds rather intense..

I haven't read all the responses, but usually when issues like this come up with my boyfriends, I tell them that I need to be with how I'm feeling, that when you put too much pressure on fixing something, especially when you're angry, your heart rate is elevated and it's proven that you don't say what you feel or what's really important to you. Peripheral emotions get amped and core issues ignored. I tell them that it's very important to me to say what I mean and know what I'm feeling because our relationship is important to me.. that sometimes that can take me a few days, but that that accurate communication is very important to me as is the relationship. That I can understand them wanting things to be better sooner rather than later, but I want to make sure what I say to them is exactly how I feel as opposed to what I say being more dictated by my anger in the moment or in this case inflated panic from a past trauma I'm processing. That I can't say how I feel in such circumstances and it's proven most people can't, and that I would hate to lose them over something I said that I didn't mean or feel.

I hope things get better.

I hear there are innovative therapies involving eye movement, but ptsd partially results in a shrunken hypothalamus which is in charge of procedural memory.. and it's been forever since I researched this, but I think laying down new memories. Mindfulness meditation thickens the hypothalamus (attention to intention, textures, thoughts), but compassion helps mitigate trauma to the circuitry and would prevent emotional trauma from shrinking it and along with forgiveness. Neuroscientifically it will mitigate further damage and allow you to stay more centered, if not, entirely negating the ptsd. You can't just thicken the hypothalamus when the trauma keeps resurfacing for reprocessing.. thus the compassion and forgiveness integration and centering. I've got a great illustration of this concept using the Dalai Lama's doctor and his 20 years of torture in China that I may type up later.

Food for thought from when I used to research PTSD and neuroscience. I used to think I had complex ptsd, but now I know it's more complex than that, but it was likely an influence.

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cappy1277
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posted September 08, 2011 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mochai-
You're so right about wanting to be alone to process your emotions. Too many things were said to each other that just compounded more of the issues & emotions I am already feeling. He always wants to hug it out and talk about it while I NEED to be alone. Maybe its the compassionate side of him acting like that but if he could be a little bit more empathetic....

I sent a one line "I'm Sorry" because I want to be the bigger person in this & own what I did....unfortunately that was 4 days ago & I still haven't heard from him.

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mochai
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posted September 08, 2011 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's basic science though. Your heart rate elevates when you're going through a PTSD episode, and you can't think as clearly or say what you mean and tend to act more irrationally. I always feel like people dishonor themselves when they force them to try to fix problems in their relationship while they're fighting. It's like deciding you want to work out an issue when you're out to sea in a typhoon or squall. You can't quite hear the other person and you're so inundated with rain and staying balanced on the rocking ship that you're not really thinking about what you're saying.. you're just reacting and trying to stay on the ship. It's best to wait until the storm (heart rate and emotions) have settled where you can focus on your partner and the relationship.

Anyway, being is much more important than doing all the time. Sometimes we suppress that in lieu of some goal and forget who we are. You can't process trauma or emotions by ignoring them and expect things to be peachy (speaking more of your boyfriend).

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cappy1277
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posted September 08, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly mochai! I can't remember much about what was said but I remember how hard my heart was beating and feeling highly irrational. It was crazy. I was trying to drink cold water and just concentrate on filling my bottle with water to find some kind of distraction. But he followed me into the kitchen to try to talk it out and I felt like I was gonna snap. He grabbed me real hard and I had a sort of blackout. All I could see was the knife brightly on the counter- for a split second I almost grabbed it. He needs to understand that me wanting to be alone is not attention seeking behavior but me needing the time in quiet to actually process my emotions and in some way soothe the beast in me that is ready to be unleashed. I want to preserve the integrity of our relationship by all means but its a provocation on his part by wanting to keep talking about it.

Its been over a week since this happened and I am really missing him like crazy but I refuse to reach out other than what I have. Maybe its the shame I feel for lashing out like that- its really not who I am. Its like I have an inner demon that lives within me dormant. I am actually in physical pain.

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mochai
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posted September 09, 2011 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it gets better and he understands..

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spartacus
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posted September 28, 2011 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spartacus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you taking anti-depressants go to:
http://www.breggin.com/

For those of you taking Zoloft, it causes birth defects and is now in litigation - Google Zoloft.

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